To that point why do some want certain feature added that are best done in the DAW. I have seen request for normalizing the tracks, why that would be done on final render in the daw. Volume sliders, those are standard fare in the DAW.
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I think you need to look at sync playback of the generated tracks in the local folder. You need to be able to adjust the vol and pan to preview those tracks with the existing tracks in the DAW. If you are just using one instrument track at a time like DI MultiRiffs per plugin and sending that track to FX then you can use the DAW track vol/pan. Same with midi channel if you are sending midi tracks from the Plugin if you can re-channel each track to the selected channel, at the moment you can't tell what channel the midi tracks are on, so if you had a simple track mixer like VstSynthFont it would handle everything. Originally there was no sync playback it was the same as using the main BB and dragging tracks out into the DAW to see if they fit if not back to BB.
This sums up my conclusions. Three months in and we will have to wait for the 50 new features.
And while we are just chatting between friends, since this is a very limited audience in the forum... how is that new Multiriffs feature working out for folks ? I am not looking to stir the pot over in the other forums, but I recognized this as a clinker the first time I used it. Have to acknowledge that the glory days are behind us - there is always next year. Up to us now to keep the music alive.
I have been having a lot of fun with Scaler. Waiting anxiously for 2.0 which is running 6 months behind its claimed release date.
I worked out easy ways to do the MultiRiff/Bar to Bar regen using 2 instances of BB or using the BB Plugin in BB, BUT there are issues that need fixing like a padding or no padding option in BB for MultiRiffs so they play from that start of the section till the end with no early or late notes, the sync is not working in BB if you play from the very start it's fine but if you play from any other bar the sync (BB Plugin) will start play from the very start. If they fix these 2 issues then Bar to Bar regen will be possible.
Multiriff is hit and miss for me but I have learned to work them out. I get pretty solid results now. I usually start them early and end late use the comping capability of my DAW. I don’t think we can expect a feature like multiriff to replace a great lead musician. It is a tool to use to create and will require some learning, experience, and trial.
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Only the last two DT direct and pushes are improvements.
The rest are bugs. PGM has already released the feature and it does not work Properly
And PG sadly - infuriatingly - does this all the time.
I could have actually gotten on fine with BIAB as it was many years ago - before even plugin hosting was included - with just basic use for practice - generating real tracks. etc.
But I've now paid *specifically* for newer release when a particular **very desirable for me** feature was finally "delivered".
First it was ability to host AU /VST plugins. Delivered badly with both bugs and clear missing features - things that one would expect in an app that hosts plugin instruments but wasn't included.
Then came Piano Roll editing in Mac BIAB. Again - released a few months after the yearly release cycle - and delivered in a lets say sub-optimal fashion, making it - at the very least - no fun to use.
Lastly came the addition of a true BIAB plugin - and as everyone well knows - it barely resembleses what it needs to be - it was very buggy in its initial period, extremely slow to regen - and I haven't even begun to get onto the missing features that Rob Helms mentioned.
There is a pattern here. Franky I feel like I've merely been paying an upgrade fee in order for PG developers to carry on working. Subsidising them. Because the three features they "delivered" are delivered in a rushed state and with a grudging attitude towards making these fear polished.
I could forgive them for Piano Roll. I understand that apparently few people use it on Macs. But then thats hard surprising given how dreadful the GUI Implementatons of these things are.
I could also forgive PG once they introduced the BIAB VST/AU plugin. * if * the thing actually worked as one would expect... because I'm much happier using the Piano roll in my DAW to record my own parts than the built in piano roll. But fact is the BIAB plugin isn't ready for prime time with DAWs either.
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I hear you on this. The good news is if PGM would address these basic features the plugin would be a solid and useful tool for creating tracks in the DAW. I also understand the desire of some users to want to add other more powerful features. Like our Mr. Pipeline. He has worked hard to introduce many innovative ideas and concepts to light. For that I tip my hat to him. I also feel his frustration and have nothing but respect.
I do however think that many of these ideas, while undeniably interesting and possibly powerful. Should be considered as down the road upgrades. So I keep stressing the vital importance of fixing the already existing broken features and bringing the plugin to a solid stable and useful tool. Something as jpettit said, a new DAW user can employ without reading a huge manual.
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DAWS Plugin; I am supposed to open the DAWS Plugin within Garage Band by selecting Plugins" + AU Instruments + etc... Problem is that AU Instruments takes it to Apple Music instead of PG music inc. ???????
How do I get the plugin installed if Garage Band can't locate it?
Bringing the hijacked thread back and bumping. And yes it is okay to post a question regarding GarageBand here as we want folks to get answers to their questions.
Bump back to original conversation.
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Franky I feel like I've merely been paying an upgrade fee in order for PG developers to carry on working. Subsidising them. Because the three features they "delivered" are delivered in a rushed state and with a grudging attitude towards making these fear polished.
You don't need to feel like this, because this is the way it is.
PGMusic's business is based on the selling of upgrades at the end of each year. Naturally they have to deliver something, so the users gets more RealTracks. But as is this not enough they have to add features. Fixing bugs is great, but hardly usable for marketing.
Sadly the budget for the development teams seems to be insufficient at times. Then we get half-baked or buggy features that are cramped into the yearly release just for the sake of it. We're talking here of marketable features.
And if the developers have to fix bugs for a long time after the release they are late for new features of the upcoming release. For them it would be the best to get the code base in a stable condition before adding new stuff. Of course that's not possible because PGMusic cannot print money. So they need a release with new feature. Da capo in eternum.
Masi
PS: This year I thought about skipping a release. But the list of items they have done listening to the customer got me hooked. Plus the RealCharts for drums and the plugin. Neither the RealCharts are working for me (I hear others have good results) nor is the plugin usable. IMHO selling buggy software to loyal long-time customers is a dangerous business strategy in the long run.
......................... PS: This year I thought about skipping a release. But the list of items they have done listening to the customer got me hooked. Plus the RealCharts for drums and the plugin. Neither the RealCharts are working for me (I hear others have good results) nor is the plugin usable. IMHO selling buggy software to loyal long-time customers is a dangerous business strategy in the long run.
Same here.
But selling buggy software to new customers is more dangerous. What if someone purchased BiaB a couple of years ago for the VSTi? I'd bet the lost a customer for life. I know that if that was me I would never look at another PGMusic product.
Each year I look at the VSTi and every year thus far I have determined it isn't for me. YMMV
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I was really hoping there'd be more development at this point. Here we are heading into the end of the first quarter and many of these bugs still exist. They are not features we wish for they are actually bugs. This is a good comprehensive list and we really need to get these done.
IMHO selling buggy software to loyal long-time customers is a dangerous business strategy in the long run.
But selling buggy software to new customers is more dangerous.
I put it wrong.
I meant relying on loyal customers to deal with quirks and bugs is dangerous. It's a no-go for winning customers unless you're prices are extremely low.
We all agree that the plugin needs some work. We all agree that it’s not right to continue to roll it out there and not complete it at least to the degree that it will be productive. That is the reason for this post not to suggest big changes, or complicated updates, but rather to fix the punch list items listed in the original post. These are not great ideas, they were advertised features. If they worked properly this plugin would be very useful.
So let’s as a collective group ask kindly but firmly that PGM move the needed resources to accomplish this NOW or at least very soon.
It serves very little purpose to continue to point out the problem, we need to as loyal and valued customers send a united voice for resolution.
So here is my request: To Peter Gannon, and the development team at PG music, both the BBW4 developers, and front end group, Please ASAP divert the resources required to complete this cycle, fixing the bugs in the list originally posted in this thread as well as send to you directly by email. This plugin is a gateway product that will generate many new customers for you when it works properly. But the core reason is that you promised these features as incentives for purchase in this release cycle, and we loyally supported that release.
Now to all users contributing to this post, please add your +1 to unite our voices.
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