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Re: Spitfire Audio OFFER BBC Symphony Orchestra Free Version 33 Instruments mkg50 (Mike G) #600601 06/05/20 02:02 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
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OP Hugh2 Journeyman H Joined: Apr 2016 Posts: 470 Ireland	Hi Mike I thought the only restrictions were the amount of Mike positions and articulations This compares all three but I dont know why that is not working for you .So you are NOT dumb nor is their a restriction lol H https://www.spitfireaudio.com/bbcso/#compare Last edited by Hugh2; 06/05/20 02:31 AM. Reason: miised a word

Re: Spitfire Audio OFFER BBC Symphony Orchestra Free Version 33 Instruments mkg50 (Mike G) #600604 06/05/20 02:28 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
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floyd jane Veteran Joined: Aug 2012 Posts: 12,429 Florida	Originally Posted By: mkg50 (Mike G) Re BBC Symphony Orchestra Discover, I can't get the velocity to make a difference to the sound. Whether the velocity is at 127 or 0 the volume is the same. Is this a restriction of the free version or I am being dumb? Mike Mike - I think you need to use Modulation to change the volume (at least that is what I had to do...) 150+ Songs produced using BIAB RealTracks And 50 more... and some more...

Re: Spitfire Audio OFFER BBC Symphony Orchestra Free Version 33 Instruments floyd jane #600606 06/05/20 02:36 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Jan 2017 Posts: 803 Queensland, Australia mkg50 (Mike G) Expert
mkg50 (Mike G) Expert Joined: Jan 2017 Posts: 803 Queensland, Australia	Thanks Floyd. I used the volume nodes (under each on track in RealBand) to change the volume in the BBC Discover, but with other instruments,I can adjust the power/impact of the notes by adjusting the velocities. Cheers, Mike Mike Garry BIAB 2025/RealBand, UltraPak, Kontakt, EZmix, Ozone 9 Elements, Hybrid 3, Audacity, MSi PC, Windows 11, 64bit, 16GB ram, CPU: Intel i7. https://soundcloud.com/user-952388172

Re: Spitfire Audio OFFER BBC Symphony Orchestra Free Version 33 Instruments mkg50 (Mike G) #600628 06/05/20 03:51 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
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floyd jane Veteran Joined: Aug 2012 Posts: 12,429 Florida	Originally Posted By: mkg50 (Mike G) Thanks Floyd. I used the volume nodes (under each on track in RealBand) to change the volume in the BBC Discover, but with other instruments,I can adjust the power/impact of the notes by adjusting the velocities. Cheers, Mike I'm not very "MIDI-fluent"... but I think it is a matter of what a VST designates as the properties of the available CC control. In the video of Guy M demonstrating Discover, he mentions that the Mod wheel (or CC 7 ) controls volume (I don't know what CC7 usually does??). I found that the velocity did me no good either... 150+ Songs produced using BIAB RealTracks And 50 more... and some more...

Re: Spitfire Audio OFFER BBC Symphony Orchestra Free Version 33 Instruments floyd jane #600631 06/05/20 03:58 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
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mkg50 (Mike G) Expert Joined: Jan 2017 Posts: 803 Queensland, Australia	Thanks Floyd. I just drew some rises and falls in CC1 (the mod wheel) and it seems to work better (not as abruptly) as the volume nodes (CC7). There are some velocity settings when you click on the three dots on the Discover interface but they don't seem to make any obvious difference. I'll keep experimenting. Thanks again for your help. Stay well, Mike Last edited by mkg50 (Mike G); 06/05/20 03:59 AM. Mike Garry BIAB 2025/RealBand, UltraPak, Kontakt, EZmix, Ozone 9 Elements, Hybrid 3, Audacity, MSi PC, Windows 11, 64bit, 16GB ram, CPU: Intel i7. https://soundcloud.com/user-952388172

Re: Spitfire Audio OFFER BBC Symphony Orchestra Free Version 33 Instruments mkg50 (Mike G) #600679 06/05/20 08:00 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
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MarioD Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 23,166 Hamlin NY	Many brass, woodwinds, and orchestral VSTis us the Mod wheel (CC1) for expression. Expression changes the volume setting based on the main volume (CC7). If CC7 is set to 127, the loudest setting, then the expression (it can be either a Mod wheel, foot pedal, or and other assignable MIDI like a slider or knob) range is from 0 - 127, i.e. no volume to max volume. But if CC7 is set to say 90 then although the expression range is still from 0 - 127 the volume at 127 is set by the CC7 volume. In other words in this example an expression value of 127 is equal to the CC7 value of 90. The reason for expression. If you need to raise the track volume and you used CC7 to change the volume you would need to raise each and every volume node. If you used expression for volume changes then all you need to do is to raise the CC7 volume, which should be a straight line through out the track, and the expression nodes will follow proportionally. Much easier and faster. Apparently BBC Symphony Orchestra Free Version is not influenced by velocity; I don't know for sure as I am still waiting for mine. I do know that the sounds are one layer each so no matter what the velocity is the sound will be the same. In multi layer sounds one will get a slightly different tonal quality with each velocity range. For instance a velocity range of 0-50 may yield a soft sound with soft transients and a 100-127 range would yield a louder sound with many hard transients. This of a trumpet played softly then very loudly. I hope this makes some sense. Whenever I get something stuck in the back of my throat, I dislodge it by drinking a beer. It's called the Heineken Maneuver. 64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware

Re: Spitfire Audio OFFER BBC Symphony Orchestra Free Version 33 Instruments MarioD #600726 06/05/20 01:19 PM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
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mkg50 (Mike G) Expert Joined: Jan 2017 Posts: 803 Queensland, Australia	Thanks Mario. I must admit I haven't used expression much. I tend to use the volume controller CC7 or the volume nodes underneath each track (CC87). And velocity of course. I think you will enjoy the Discover when it arrives. It has great sounds and so many instruments. Cheers, Mike Last edited by mkg50 (Mike G); 06/05/20 08:54 PM. Mike Garry BIAB 2025/RealBand, UltraPak, Kontakt, EZmix, Ozone 9 Elements, Hybrid 3, Audacity, MSi PC, Windows 11, 64bit, 16GB ram, CPU: Intel i7. https://soundcloud.com/user-952388172

Re: Spitfire Audio OFFER BBC Symphony Orchestra Free Version 33 Instruments mkg50 (Mike G) #603352 06/23/20 03:44 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
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DrDan Veteran Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 12,225 Wauconda	Originally Posted By: mkg50 (Mike G) Re BBC Symphony Orchestra Discover, I can't get the velocity to make a difference to the sound. Whether the velocity is at 127 or 0 the volume is the same. Is this a restriction of the free version or I am being dumb? Mike The velocity is NOT restricted in the free version. It appears to be fully functional as needed. Here is illustration of my "velocity sensitive" keyboard for a section of soft and hard keystrokes. But has been mentioned, there is no impact to what you hear from velocity since there is only a single level. I guess that may be considered a limitation. Therefore if you want loader or softer you need to use the mod wheel which does impact volume? I think the guys have covered this pretty well. Attached Files (Click to download or enlarge) (Only available when you are logged in) Capture.JPG (51.51 KB, 92 downloads) Last edited by MusicStudent; 06/23/20 03:52 AM. BIAB – 2025, Reaper (current), i7-12700F Processor, 32GB DDR4-3200MHz RAM, 1TB WD Black NVMe SSD, 2TB WDC Blue SSD, 1TB WD Blue, 2 TB SK NVMe, 6 TB External, Motu Audio Express 6x6

Re: Spitfire Audio OFFER BBC Symphony Orchestra Free Version 33 Instruments DrDan #603355 06/23/20 04:07 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
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MarioD Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 23,166 Hamlin NY	Originally Posted By: MusicStudent Originally Posted By: mkg50 (Mike G) Re BBC Symphony Orchestra Discover, I can't get the velocity to make a difference to the sound. Whether the velocity is at 127 or 0 the volume is the same. Is this a restriction of the free version or I am being dumb? Mike The velocity is NOT restricted in the free version. It appears to be fully functional as needed. Here is illustration of my "velocity sensitive" keyboard for a section of soft and hard keystrokes. But has been mentioned, there is no impact to what you hear from velocity since there is only a single level. I guess that may be considered a limitation. Therefore if you want loader or softer you need to use the mod wheel which does impact volume? I think the guys have covered this pretty well. Dan is correct. Velocity not only does not change volume it also does not change timbre,i.e. it is the same sound regardless of velocity or volume. The mod wheel will slightly adjust the volume via expression, CC11. Note this is generally the rule for all free or entry level sound sources. If one is looking for large volume changes, crescendos, or diminuendos using a DAW is the best option. Whenever I get something stuck in the back of my throat, I dislodge it by drinking a beer. It's called the Heineken Maneuver. 64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware

Re: Spitfire Audio OFFER BBC Symphony Orchestra Free Version 33 Instruments Hugh2 #603424 06/23/20 10:19 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
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DrDan Veteran Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 12,225 Wauconda	New Reaper template for the Spitfire BBC Symphony Orchestra Discover https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq4ZfUSXUlg BIAB – 2025, Reaper (current), i7-12700F Processor, 32GB DDR4-3200MHz RAM, 1TB WD Black NVMe SSD, 2TB WDC Blue SSD, 1TB WD Blue, 2 TB SK NVMe, 6 TB External, Motu Audio Express 6x6

Re: Spitfire Audio OFFER BBC Symphony Orchestra Free Version 33 Instruments Hugh2 #604432 06/29/20 05:25 PM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
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mkg50 (Mike G) Expert Joined: Jan 2017 Posts: 803 Queensland, Australia	Thanks Mario and MusicStudent for your help on this. Cheers, Mike Mike Garry BIAB 2025/RealBand, UltraPak, Kontakt, EZmix, Ozone 9 Elements, Hybrid 3, Audacity, MSi PC, Windows 11, 64bit, 16GB ram, CPU: Intel i7. https://soundcloud.com/user-952388172

Re: Spitfire Audio OFFER BBC Symphony Orchestra Free Version 33 Instruments Hugh2 #605621 07/08/20 08:36 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
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mrgeeze Expert Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 859 Sonoran Desert	Thank you. Just got mine. Need better speakers biab2024(Mac) Latest Build Mac OS Sequoia 15.0.1 Apple M2 pro 32GB Ram Logic Pro 11

Re: Spitfire Audio OFFER BBC Symphony Orchestra Free Version 33 Instruments mkg50 (Mike G) #605640 07/08/20 11:32 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
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MarioD Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 23,166 Hamlin NY	Originally Posted By: mkg50 (Mike G) Thanks Mario and MusicStudent for your help on this. Cheers, Mike I am glad that I helped you. Whenever I get something stuck in the back of my throat, I dislodge it by drinking a beer. It's called the Heineken Maneuver. 64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware

Re: Spitfire Audio OFFER BBC Symphony Orchestra Free Version 33 Instruments Hugh2 #605672 07/08/20 07:32 PM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
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mbsmike Enthusiast M Joined: Jan 2018 Posts: 83	I got my download email today. Upon downloading the installer Windows Defender came up with a message window strongly suggesting to not run the installer??? It says it is malicious. Has anyone experienced this? Flipped me out for sure. Mike Last edited by mbsmike; 07/08/20 07:39 PM. Focusrite 2i2 2nd Gen Windows 10 pro 1709 16299.125 Intel core i7 6700k CPU @ 4.00GHz 4.01 GHz 16 gig memory BIAB UltraPak version is 2025 (Latest) Cubase pro 9

Re: Spitfire Audio OFFER BBC Symphony Orchestra Free Version 33 Instruments Hugh2 #605681 07/09/20 12:26 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
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lambada Expert L Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,586 Hong Kong	Here's a video describing the template written for Reaper. There are templates for several DAWs. They're all on the Spitfire site. The Reaper one is listed in the video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6AR2j0SvR4&feature=youtu.be Last edited by lambada; 07/09/20 12:27 AM. Windows 10 Home 20H2 Build 19042.487 BIAB 2021 (Build 818) Intel(R) Core(TM), i3-4160, CPU @3.60 GHz RAM 16 GB, 64 Bit X64-based processor Zoom UAC-2 (USB 3 interface-built in midi) VoiceLive 3 Extreme, Sputnik Valve Condenser Mic

Re: Spitfire Audio OFFER BBC Symphony Orchestra Free Version 33 Instruments mbsmike #605697 07/09/20 02:57 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
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DrDan Veteran Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 12,225 Wauconda	Originally Posted By: mbsmike I got my download email today. Upon downloading the installer Windows Defender came up with a message window strongly suggesting to not run the installer??? It says it is malicious. Has anyone experienced this? Flipped me out for sure. Mike Installed several weeks ago and can't say I remember this happening. If it did happen I would have scanned the file with another AV app. Or I would have downloaded a second time and then double scanned. Good luck. BIAB – 2025, Reaper (current), i7-12700F Processor, 32GB DDR4-3200MHz RAM, 1TB WD Black NVMe SSD, 2TB WDC Blue SSD, 1TB WD Blue, 2 TB SK NVMe, 6 TB External, Motu Audio Express 6x6

Re: Spitfire Audio OFFER BBC Symphony Orchestra Free Version 33 Instruments mbsmike #605704 07/09/20 04:03 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 23,166 Hamlin NY MarioD Veteran
MarioD Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 23,166 Hamlin NY	Originally Posted By: mbsmike I got my download email today. Upon downloading the installer Windows Defender came up with a message window strongly suggesting to not run the installer??? It says it is malicious. Has anyone experienced this? Flipped me out for sure. Mike I did not get that message. I would contact Spitfire Audio and tell them what happened. It may be a false positive or their server got infected. Whenever I get something stuck in the back of my throat, I dislodge it by drinking a beer. It's called the Heineken Maneuver. 64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware

Re: Spitfire Audio OFFER BBC Symphony Orchestra Free Version 33 Instruments MarioD #605770 07/09/20 10:35 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
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mrgeeze Expert Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 859 Sonoran Desert	no problems here. installed and runs fine on mac osx 10.15.5 Catalina. biab2024(Mac) Latest Build Mac OS Sequoia 15.0.1 Apple M2 pro 32GB Ram Logic Pro 11

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