You need to be logged in to post
Options
Index
#609744 - 08/07/20 08:44 AM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] A few questions for Melodyne 5 users. [Resolved]
Registered: 08/21/18
Posts: 1159
Tangmo Online   content
Expert

Registered: 08/21/18
Posts: 1159
I am strongly considering picking up Melodyne 5 Editor version--at least I think that's the one. It's the second highest version, and the one where editing polyphony becomes possible. Before I sell the kids' beds, toys, and shoes, and put them on a rice and water diet for a few months, I'd like to gauge some reactions from current users.

1. How would you rate the learning curve compared to like BIAB? Are all or most user functions available by mouse? I don't mind a few hotkey options, but I was raised by mice and feel attachment.

2. What alternative scales/modes are available in the editing function (moving notes to scale positions)? This is a biggie for me, as harmonizing to different modes and scales has become my favorite thing to do musically, and I can't move melody notes by ear or "theory".

3. Sweetwater has it at a price significantly lower than listed on the Celemony sales site. Will I get the same thing if I'm using Sweetwater? It will come down to a choice between the two, as I don't want to open more accounts, etc, etc. blah, blah.

4. Does it seem to integrate well as a VST in Reaper? Work and play well with BIAB? If I run it stand-alone, will it recognize my Scarlett unit as the "sound-card"?

5. Do you feel an urge to try to talk me out of it now that you've made the splurge and regretted it?

Thank you for your kind attention.


Edited by Tangmo (08/07/20 08:47 AM)
_________________________
BIAB 2020 Audiophile. Windows 10 64bit. Songwriter, lyricist, composer(?) loving all styles. Some pre-BIAB music from Farfetched Tangmo Band's first CD. https://alonetone.com/tangmo/playlists/close-to-the-ground

Top
#609760 - 08/07/20 11:03 AM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: A few questions for Melodyne 5 users. [Re: Tangmo]
Registered: 12/08/02
Posts: 6970
Loc: Wauconda, Il.
MusicStudent Offline
Veteran

Registered: 12/08/02
Posts: 6970
Loc: Wauconda, Il.
Wow, that is a lot of questions.

I can start, and in reverse order:

#5 I upgraded from Melodyne Assistant V4 to Assistant V5 and I don't regret it for a minute, the workflow continues to improve with each version and the new chord feature is a welcome addition. There were very good sale prices several months back. Don't know if they are still on.

#4 Melodyne in Reaper is full ARA meaning it is a pleasure to work with. While I have used the standalone version in the past for editing (prior to ARA there were times when it was necessary cause in early days it was at times buggy in the DAW). However, in resent years I use it exclusively in Reaper. I have never recorded into the Standalone - never a reason to do that.

#3 I always first go to Sweetwater if it is available there. Highly recommend this vendor. I got my V5 upgrade there.

#2 Can't say much about this as this is not what I use it for. In my case I only tweek my vocals to fix the bad notes I sing. For this there is nothing better except to sing the correct notes to begin with.

#1 Much much easier to work with. I am sure there may be some features which I wish I understood better, but for the most part it was plug and play for me.
_________________________
Dan, BIAB2020
"...My goal is not to create backing tracks for my music, but rather to get more of me in my music."
SoundCloud


Top
#609761 - 08/07/20 11:40 AM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: A few questions for Melodyne 5 users. [Re: Tangmo]
Registered: 12/27/13
Posts: 1972
Loc: St. Louis, MO. USA
sslechta Offline
Expert

Registered: 12/27/13
Posts: 1972
Loc: St. Louis, MO. USA
I actually upgraded from Editor to Studio in version 4 because I wanted it all! smile

As an add-on to #3, I purchase all my software through Sweetwater too but you'll also need to register it at the Celemony site as you do with most software vendors. So regardless of where you buy, you still need to register.

It's fairly easy to learn as long as you have the time to do it. Features are awesome, some of zooming and dragging is a little awkward for me but I love it.

One cool thing I've successfully done in the past is use Melodyne to convert some bad sounding drums I recorded and convert them to MIDI notes. I was then able to use a MIDI triggered drum kit (Superior Drummer) to mix in with the bad drums to almost completely replace them.
_________________________


Steve

BIAB/RB 2020, Pro Tools 2020, Korg N5, Proteus F/X, JBL LSR 4328 Powered Monitors, AKG/Shure Mics.
PC: 1 TB SSD, 2 TB HD, 128 GB Memory

Top
#609822 - 08/08/20 02:00 AM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: A few questions for Melodyne 5 users. [Re: Tangmo]
Registered: 11/30/07
Posts: 3484
Loc: Ontario, Canada
BlueAttitude Offline
Veteran

Registered: 11/30/07
Posts: 3484
Loc: Ontario, Canada
I have V5 editor, upgraded from V4 assistant. I also use reaper.

The editor version with the ability to tune chords is brilliant! I've used it to change chord voicings in realtracks, and also to tune my own rhythm guitar tracks to compensate for intonation issues.

Another thing I've used it for a couple of times is to change the feel of a realtrack bass part from swing to straight.

One of the great new features with V5 is the sibilance balance tool, works better than any de-esser I have ever tried.

Dan answered all your questions except for 2, which I also don't know the answer to, I never tune to a scale.

But, I think they offer a fully functional demo, why not try it and see if it works for you?

Top
#609839 - 08/08/20 05:43 AM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: A few questions for Melodyne 5 users. [Re: Tangmo]
Registered: 12/05/11
Posts: 9526
Loc: GA USA
Janice & Bud Offline
Veteran

Registered: 12/05/11
Posts: 9526
Loc: GA USA
I admire the willingness y’all and other members have to learn and make great use of the latest. For me switching late from analog to a DAW, learning a bit about BiaB and exploring new genres taxed my old brain to the max. Carry on!

Bud

Top
#609846 - 08/08/20 06:33 AM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: A few questions for Melodyne 5 users. [Re: BlueAttitude]
Registered: 12/27/03
Posts: 14549
Loc: Hamlin NY
MarioD Offline
Veteran

Registered: 12/27/03
Posts: 14549
Loc: Hamlin NY
I never tune to a scale either but here is some information on it.

" The world of scales and tunings

Melodyne allows you to work with whatever scales and tunings you like, including exotic or experimental ones. Unusual scale structures and irregular tuning are often important musical parameters that ought not to be ironed out. For this reason, Melodyne supports every conceivable scale or tuning system, allowing you to handle the nuances of each musical genre with sensitivity.
You can also define and edit scales and tuning systems, as well as analyze those found in existing audio material."
_________________________
I told my suitcases there will be no holiday this year. Now I am dealing with emotional baggage!

64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB and RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software and some hardware.

Top
#610076 - 08/09/20 06:00 PM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: A few questions for Melodyne 5 users. [Re: Tangmo]
Registered: 08/21/18
Posts: 1159
Tangmo Online   content
Expert

Registered: 08/21/18
Posts: 1159
Thanks, all. Very helpful. I've downloaded the free trial and will try to work my way through this for whatever part of 30 days is necessary.

I am a little disturbed at how little regard you all seem to have for my children, however.
_________________________
BIAB 2020 Audiophile. Windows 10 64bit. Songwriter, lyricist, composer(?) loving all styles. Some pre-BIAB music from Farfetched Tangmo Band's first CD. https://alonetone.com/tangmo/playlists/close-to-the-ground

Top
#615635 - 09/18/20 05:26 PM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: A few questions for Melodyne 5 users. [Resolved] [Re: Tangmo]
Registered: 04/24/17
Posts: 365
Loc: Sillie Con Valley, California
Mike Halloran Offline
Journeyman

Registered: 04/24/17
Posts: 365
Loc: Sillie Con Valley, California
I have Melodyne 5 Studio. When it's the right tool, nothing else will do. With all of the online music making I'm doing nowadays, it's the pitch tool that I use over 50% of the time.

My DAW of choice is Digital Performer though I have others including Logic. If I need to change a few notes in a track, DP's pitch tool is a godsend.

For changing the pitch of an entire track, ztx is far better and sounds more natural. I can use it in stand-alone or the version integrated in DP.

For special effects, IRCAM Labs TS (Time Stretch) can't be beat and is on sale for $49. It sounds more natural than Melodyne and less so than ztx.
IRCAM TS2

ztx is found in a number of apps including DP an some from PSP. When I want to use a stand-alone version, I'll use TwistedWave. Mac only.
TwistedWave

I use AutoTune when a client requests or wants a special effect that is best done in AT. Not very often anymore but I make more than enough to keep it up to date. Clients like knowing I have the full suite even if I rarely use it.

The pitch tool in Izotope Nectar Elements used to be my go to for vocalists who drift now and then but these days, I'm more likely to use Melodyne.

You couldn't pay me to use or recommend Reaper. I like apps with actual tech support; user groups are no substitute. "full ARA" saves a few minutes and that's all it does. Logic supports ARA if I need it — but I never do.
_________________________
BIAB 2020 Audiophile 2017 iMac Pro 2T SSDx2 Mojave; 2012 MBP Catalina
Overture 5 DP 10 LogicProX Finale 26, Encore 5.0.7 SmartScoreX2P Notion 6
Legacy G4-1K DP OS 10.4.11 / OS 9.2 Apps

Top
#615644 - 09/18/20 06:46 PM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: A few questions for Melodyne 5 users. [Resolved] [Re: Tangmo]
Registered: 12/20/16
Posts: 942
Loc: Gold Coast, Queensland, Austra...
Teunis Offline
Expert

Registered: 12/20/16
Posts: 942
Loc: Gold Coast, Queensland, Austra...
I use the v5 Editor version. I’ve owned the Editor version for a number of years now and upgraded to v5 when it came out. For my use I could not justify the Studio version. I tend to use it mostly to convert audio to midi and make some adjustments. I don’t record voice any longer.

It fits very nicely into Reaper.

I find Melodyne does take some learning. However Celemony has good video tutorials and better yet is Groove 3 which has a couple of good Melodyne training videos.

Tony


Edited by Teunis (09/18/20 06:47 PM)
_________________________
HP i7-4770 16GB 512G SSD, Win 10 Home,
Roland Quad Capture, Launchkey 61, Maton CW80, Telecaster + more
BB 2020(734) RB 2020(2), CakeWalk by BandLab, Reaper 6, Audacity, Melodyne 5 Editor, Izotope Music Production Suite 3 + more

Top


PG Music News
Band-in-a-Box® for Mac - Audio Chord Wizard Overview Video

The Audio Chord Wizard included in Band-in-a-Box is a powerful feature that automatically figures out the chords from an audio file and imports them (as well as the audio) into Band-in-a-Box®, along with the bar lines, key, tempo, and fine tuning!

Check out this video, where we explain how to use the Audio Chord Wizard: Click here to watch...

Read more about the Audio Chord Wizard within our online program manual, here. Better yet - give it a try and see/hear for yourself how intelligent this feature is!

Clarinet RealTracks for Band-in-a-Box®!

It's National Clarinet Day! Who doesn't enjoy the rich & mellow sounds the clarinet delivers?

We have 20+ Clarinet RealTracks available for Band-in-a-Box®, covering Dixieland, Folk, Jazz, and World styles. You'll find these RealTracks in the following Sets:
RealTracks Set 56: Jazz, Old and New
RealTracks Set 144: Dixieland - Fast Soloists
RealTracks Set 178: Dixieland - Medium Soloists
RealTracks Set 248: Oberkrainer! Folk Music From the Alps

Clarinet RealTracks Artists include:
James Danderfer
P.J. Perry
Thomas Oberreiter

Tutorial - Downloading and Installing Your Band-in-a-Box® Purchase

When you order your copy of Band-in-a-Box® from our website you'll receive the installation files to download your order, even if you're having it shipped!

You can access these files within the My Products section of your online account.

Downloading the program is such a convenient way to get started with Band-in-a-Box®! To learn more about how to download your purchase, please review the written tutorials we've created for Windows and Mac.

200+ Saxophone RealTracks for Band-in-a-Box®!

Where would music be today without the sultry sounds of the Saxophone? Fortunately, because of Adolphe Sax, we don't have to find out!

Today we celebrate his birthday, and with that a nod to our extensive collection of Saxophone RealTracks for Band-in-a-Box®!

Saxophone RealTracks sound so amazing that they were one of the first RealTracks we developed and released for the program with Band-in-a-Box® 2007! Now there are more than 200 Saxophone RealTracks available for Jazz, Rock, Blues, Country, Funk, and Pop!

Our Saxophone RealTracks Artists include:
Eric Alexander
Eric Marienthal
Gary Smulyan
Jack Stafford
Jim Clark
Mark Douthit
P.J. Perry
Phil Woods
Tom Keenlyside

Click on their name to be taken to their bio page where you can learn more about the artists and listen to demos of all their RealTracks.

Upgrading to Band-in-a-Box® 2020 is Easy!

Did you know... anyone who has owned a previous version of Band-in-a-Box® is entitle to upgrade pricing - you do not need to have your old version installed!

Maybe you used to own the Windows version, but you now have a Mac... that's not a problem either!
(or if you owned the Mac version, and now you have a Windows computer)

In both cases, you would purchase from the "Upgrade from 2018 or earlier or crossgrade" row here for a new Mac version, or here if you want the newest Windows version. Just need to upgrade your 2019 version? Use the "Upgrade from 2019/2020" row.

When you purchase your upgrade from either of these rows, you will receive a complete installation - just follow the steps of the setup, and your Band-in-a-Box® will be ready to use!

PG Music Inc. shopping cart accounts were not required to purchase from our website prior to October 29, 2014. With that in mind, you may have to create an account in order to upgrade - that's OK! You'll still be entitled to upgrade pricing.

Band-in-a-Box® 2020 Italian for Mac is Here!

Ci sono oltre 50 nuove funzionalità in Band-in-a-Box® 2020! Ci sono miglioramenti ai RealTracks (RealTracks vocali dal suono più fluido, Ispessimento RealTracks, RealTracks "Find-a-Sub" e MultiRiffs). La maggior parte dei RealDrums ora hanno RealCharts (con un'accurata Notazione di Batteria). C'è un nuovo Browser dell'artista RealTracks per trovare informazioni /bios/collegamenti/ elenchi di RealTracks su tutti gli artisti. Un nuovo Browser delle Funzionalità consente all'utente nuovo o "smemorato" di trovare e utilizzare facilmente la maggior parte delle funzionalità/tasti di scelta rapida/documenti da un'unica finestra. Equalizza Tempo consente di cambiare una canzone registrata in rubato in un tempo fisso. Stiramento del tempo/tono dell'audio migliorato (Elastique) incluso. Ci sono miglioramenti di SongPicker, Auto-Intro di Basso/Batteria o Batteria solo, 3.400 titoli aggiunti, miglioramenti di MusicXML, chitarra "per mancini" e "Vista Studente", miglioramenti del trascinamento della selezione, visualizzazione multi-finestra dell’analizzatore degli accordi audio e altro ancora!

ACQUISTA/AGGIORNA & SCARICA ADESSO!!

Sign Up for the Band-in-a-Box® Newsletter!

Want to be notified when a new version of Band-in-a-Box® is released? There are a few ways to stay informed!

PG Music Newsletter: Click here to subscribe
(If you've registered with us, or purchased from us, you're already on the list!)

Facebook: Click here to "Like" our page!

Twitter: Click here to Follow Us!

We'll also announce any new version or new product release on our Forum... stay tuned!

Forum Stats
33209 Members
67 Forums
66037 Topics
566808 Posts

Max Online: 2537 @ 01/19/20 07:09 AM
Newest Members
Steve12853, Howlwie, Antodesi, vassilisk, Jamery122

33209 Registered Users
Top Posters (30 Days)
Pipeline 175
MarioD 157
Matt Finley 120
CaptainMoto 119
eddie1261 113
VideoTrack 112
justanoldmuso 102
Scott C 100
Simon - PG Music 97
Janice & Bud 92
Today's Birthdays
Brookes, Herschel Dirtwater, steely