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I have never used any online tool except OHM Studio which is closing up shop.
I see something called Bandlab and I guess there are several others.
In many modern DAW's, Studio One for example there are Arranger tracks that clearly state where parts of a song start and stop. Things like Intro, Verse, Bridge and so forth. This lets a vocalist working remotely know where everything starts and stops.
Evidently on fiverr, the vocalist and other session musicians are not allowed to communicate by phone or video conference (my first try at using them). Soundbetter has no such stupid rules. I get tired of trying to explain where I want a vocal to start and stop. Better if someone could see it visually.
All this abeverated communication is not my cup of tea. TGIF TTYL I'm not ROFL ICYMI...lol
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Why does the DAW have to be cloud based?
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Perhaps "cloud Based" is not the correct term for what I am looking for. I want a DAW setting somewhere where anyone can get to it. I want three or four people to be able to log into the same DAW at the same time and see what is going on. They should be able to add tracks if given permission in near real time. There should be some sort of chat box or video that would allow for communication.
OHM Studio was the only thing I ever saw that could do that. After several years it has gone away. I assume at this point there is nothing out there to replace it.
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After I posted this I tried a couple of people on fiverr. They were cheaper than soundbetter but you get what you pay for I guess.
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I don't know which one is best, but if I had to venture a guess it would be Cakewalk by BandLab.
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When I've collaborated online with other people with audio tracks, I tend to use Google Drive. Some folks also use Drop Box or other online storage sites to share files. I've not really used cloud storage options in a DAW because not everyone you work with will have that DAW. I will either post .WAV or .MP3 files (of individual tracks or the whole mix) to Google Drive from my DAW as most folks can play those.
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When I've collaborated online with other people with audio tracks, I tend to use Google Drive. Some folks also use Drop Box or other online storage sites to share files. I've not really used cloud storage options in a DAW because not everyone you work with will have that DAW. I will either post .WAV or .MP3 files (of individual tracks or the whole mix) to Google Drive from my DAW as most folks can play those. Hi Steve, I also use Dropbox a lot. One person I collaborate with uses Reaper so I have that DAW also. But none of this is what I am talking about. The DAW situation I am looking for exist on a server somewhere. I don't own it, the other people who are collaborating with me don't own it. Anyone needing to see and hear what I put in the DAW can log on and see and use the DAW with downloading anything. It's sort of like youtube, hey Steve go look at XYZ on youtube only it is a fully functioning DAW. Several people can be working in the DAW at the same time in near real time. There is a chat box to communicate in real time. Billy
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Hi Billy, Is this what you are looking for? https://blog.landr.com/best-online-daw/
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Thanks Mario...I took a quick look and now I need to study the possibilities. I may have logged on to BandLab in the past...don't remember. The blog said "Like Soundtrap, Bandlab offers collaboration tools such as video conferencing, and messaging." I will go check it out. Thanks
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From a networking point of view, I can't see ANY way that you can collaborate in real time like your original post suggested. You will always have lag. I don't know why this topic seems to become advanced calculus. Make your tracks, send them any way you like, let them make their tracks and send them back. This must go on a million times every day given the number of home recorders there are. Dropbox, wetransfer, transfernow... there are so many free FTP options. Send the file, when the other end gets it do a Zoom meeting, let the other side play along on the Zoom call for your approval, then they can record the track and send it back. Network lag is what it is. When you do a Zoom call, you see you in real time. They see you a second or more later.
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Eddie, I am aware of the speed of light...lol And yes, there is currently no way to collaborate in real time over the internet at long distances. You can, and thousands of people do collaborate in "near real time" across the world over the internet. Can you play in sink? No, It requires both parties being connected to the same DAW and communicating over video. The delay of a audio signal over the internet is distance dependent. About 16 milliseconds at 3000 miles plus whatever network latency exist. Actually, I never said "real time". This is what I posted. "They should be able to add tracks if given permission in near real time. There should be some sort of chat box or video that would allow for communication." In any event I think Bandlab may do what I want as it says it can link to Zoom...doing a test at the moment. Here is a blog that describes some but not all of the issues around remote internet collaboration. https://www.musictech.net/guides/essential-guide/getting-set-up-for-remote-collaboration/Cheers, Billy
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Also look into Team Viewer. I use that a lot for many things when I need to control someone's computer and screen share.
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Yep, I have that on all my computers for any number of reasons. It is excellent for showing someone how to do something or doing it for them. Can you imagine how to tell someone in writing how to make multiple complex registry changes and how to recover if they make a mistake?
I don't know why we don't use Team Viewer more often.
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Absolutely. I have it on every computer as well. Used it last night in fact!
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+1 on Team Viewer. Use for IT support for the wife if I'm in the office.
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In any event I think Bandlab may do what I want as it says it can link to Zoom...doing a test at the moment. Interesting, I didn't know Bandlab could link to Zoom, very cool!
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If what you're trying to do is jam/practice/create remotely, I would suggest taking a look at JamKazam. Latencies are currently pretty low, but they've been working on some new software tech that will reduce those low latencies (over internet) even further. The devs are some pretty bright guys. https://www.jamkazam.com/P.S. It's free to use!
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I first of all wanted a DAW that anyone could be directed too. It would need to be free and not require a lot of work to get too. I wanted this to be able to communicate easily with a vocalist or other musician so they would understand in detail what I wanted them to do. Secondly I wanted a replacement for OHM Studio which is closing. Ohm Studio did not actually fill the above requirements but provided a near real time software to collaborate on. There was a very active community using that site. It had its own issues. I did some testing with Bandlab today and it looked usable. There was a large amount of latency which there was a system to correct that did not work very well for me. I tried to sing into the software which was doable but pretty difficult. Loading .wav files into tracks was very easy. Loading lyrics into the box designed for notes worked very well. I don't think I would ever be creating anything in Bandlab but it is a place to store stuff that anyone can get too. Bandlab is a totally cloud based software. It would be ever so cool if they were able to use the cakewalk software that they now own. I am going to go try jamkazam as you suggested to see how it works. I really need someone to help experiment with me to see the full functionality of a couple of these software programs. Here is a link to a test BIAB song and lyrics I put up on Bandlab. There are several functions I have not tried yet like the link to Zoom. https://www.bandlab.com/revisions/33a35fcd-de13-eb11-96f5-501ac5b31de6?sharedKey=hAwrQn9ZekaVv5bmq70T6wAnyone who would like to do this can PM me. Thanks, Billy
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... I didn't know Bandlab could link to Zoom ... What does this mean, please?
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... I didn't know Bandlab could link to Zoom ... What does this mean, please? Same question. How does it “link”? You connect in Zoom and screen share like any other program. We could play chess over Zoom too if we screen share and do a collaborative remote use of the program. Bandlab is just a DAW like any other DAW, thus just another piece of software running on the host computer and shared by the remote computer. Please elaborate on what you exactly mean by link.
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... I didn't know Bandlab could link to Zoom ... What does this mean, please? Hi Matt, I have not found anyone to do this experiment with yet. So I have not actually tried to use this ability of Bandlab to link to Zoom. I assume it means that within the Bandlab program itself a video connection with someone you are working with is possible while continuing to use the DAW. There are three types of "chat boxes" that I am aware of. Written, the most common, audio, and audio with video. The way I have used video in the past is with Skype on one computer or cell phone and tracking done on a remote DAW between me and a drummer in Brisbane Au for example. The whatsapp program, which is free and allows VOIP telephone to most any place in the world also has a video ability something like face time for Apple smartphones. Everyone I know who has friends in other countries uses whatsapp. I am willing to explore any of these technologies with you or anyone else who would like to give it a try. Billy
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I also assume you would have to have Zoom on your computer. It is free but the free versions has some restrictions like a 30 min. time limit.
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Thanks. This is making a bit more sense. I'm quite familiar with Zoom, as I provide tech support for a Zoom church service, but Zoom has nothing like this to my knowledge, so I conclude BandLab has some sort of hook into Zoom. I have no use for this type of collaboration at this time, but I am curious how it might work.
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I just did some reading. It does NOT "link to Zoom". It has video conferencing capability built in which I suppose you could say is "Zoom-like". I can't imagine Zoom allowing anybody to use their code without charging an exorbitant fee which would likely make it prohibitive for anybody to do. I also think, and I don't know because I have not and will not test this, that using the word collaboration here is misleading. That seems to give an image that the drummer in New York can play along with the bass player in Texas and the guitar player in Washington in real time, and we all know that simply can't happen. I think that perhaps the "collaborative" aspect of this is that people are connected in real time to monitor as side players add their piece and they have immediate feedback from whoever the session master might be. So they play, you say "You have another take in you, maybe try a little brighter tone?"
I am interested in knowing how the experiment turns out too.
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I've always just exported all tracks as wav, then uploaded a .zip of the project to google drive.
This is a little cumbersome but works fine. Only thing I am missing from it is some sort of automatic version control. Interesting topic of discussion.
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I work with a friend and we screen share on zoom frequently. We use logic as the DAW but it could be any DAW. You can’t record onto his DAW but can see in close to real time what he has going on and then Send each other the project fileS in drop box, open it and add to it on your end. Send it back or just send the new wave file. Billy I don’t think what you want exist. But using zoom will allow the closest option. In the screen sharing box make sure to optimize both audio and video. When you screen share your DAW, you can stop sharing your screen and they can start sharing theirs in seconds. I believe there is a setting to both share at the same time, or at least quickly change.
On DAWs. If cost is important bandlab is the way to go since free is realllllly low cost. People round these parts have used cakewalk DAWs for years and the free Bandlab is very capable. I did a few projects in the older version called Sonar, and it does a great job. And allow you to send files back and forth in cakewalk file format that can be opened on the other persons computer without Importing individual tracks and such. My friend and I send logic files back and forth in Dropbox in seconds and while zooming can discuss options and needs.
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That seems to give an image that the drummer in New York can play along with the bass player in Texas and the guitar player in Washington in real time, and we all know that simply can't happen... Exactly. If the drummer in New York started playing at 2 O'Clock in the afternoon, the guitar player in Washington would have had to start playing at 11 AM to be in synch. <heading for the hills as I press the Submit button> 
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That seems to give an image that the drummer in New York can play along with the bass player in Texas and the guitar player in Washington in real time, and we all know that simply can't happen... Exactly. If the drummer in New York started playing at 2 O'Clock in the afternoon, the guitar player in Washington would have had to start playing at 11 AM to be in synch. <heading for the hills as I press the Submit button> From your perspective, it's tomorrow before they even started. Now that's a delay.
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Or yesterday, depending on who the originator is....
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One more time, just for you Eddie. Here is a link to a small Band In A Box song project I uploaded to Bandlab. https://www.bandlab.com/revisions/33a35fcd-de13-eb11-96f5-501ac5b31de6?sharedKey=hAwrQn9ZekaVv5bmq70T6wThe link will take you to a page called "New Project". Click on the big red button called "Open In Mix Editor". That page is the DAW. In the upper left top corner click on "Settings". The first thing listed is "Link Zoom". As I said, I have not tried this yet. Cheers Eddie
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I also don't have Bandlab on this computer so I won't see what you said I should see. I may now have to load it just to see this work. Okay. This is what I see.  I installed Bandlab and Cakewalk. I still don't see what you said to click even though I now have the software and an account on Bandlab.
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As I dig into all this deeper I am finding there are lots of videos on youtube on the subject. Some stating how Bandlab did not work for them. Some showing people playing live who were all in one city Austin Texas. Many addressing the issues with latency. This one is a method that is said to work. https://youtu.be/OmJUOkf0kE4This one is four musicians playing live in real time in Austin, Texas https://youtu.be/I2reeNKtRjgAgain, I have not tried any of this but I would think the greater the distance the bigger the latency issue would become. The reason it worked well in the Austin example was because they were not to far apart, all in the same city. The first example talked about the problems of low quality audio in video programs like Zoom and others. Part of their solution was to use something called "audiomovers". I have never seen that program. I went to their website www.audiomovers.com. Here is what it says "REAL TIME HIGH RESOLUTION REMOTE AUDIO COLLABORATION WITH ANYONE IN THE WORLD" OK...so I intend to prove or disprove that statement!...lol There is a large interest in all this due to Covid-19 and the needs of band members to get together to rehearse, and for many other reasons. The world has changed as a function of Covid-19 and I do not think we will ever go back to exactly the way it was before. Cheers, Billy
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Sorry Eddie,
I am in the middle of something just now....give me a bit to see what is going own. I may have to figure out how to make this project public.
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Well, this still doesn't work. I still don't see what you say I should click on, and Bandlab still says my email is not registered, and their side won't send me another link when I request it. I've pretty much lost interest in this now. I'm not going to use it anyway. I just wanted to see it work. And apparently it doesn't. When they side can't even handle an automated process like resending a confirmation link.... I'm out.
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Thanks for trying Eddie. When I click on the link in this forum post it returns something different than you. I assume because I have a Bandlab account.
Cheers,
Billy
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Thanks for trying Eddie. When I click on the link in this forum post it returns something different than you. I assume because I have a Bandlab account.
Cheers,
Billy I have an account too, but their side won't send me the email to confirm my email. I should still see the clickable link in your thread, just not be able to use it. But like I said, whatever.
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Billy, I take it its an online Daw you are after, where you just log in and add a few tracks and then someone else who is in on the project logs in and does the same. Shouldn't that eliminate the problem of latency? A quick google give me this which seems interesting. https://filmora.wondershare.com/audio/best-free-daw-online.html
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Billy, I take it its an online Daw you are after, where you just log in and add a few tracks and then someone else who is in on the project logs in and does the same. Shouldn't that eliminate the problem of latency? A quick google give me this which seems interesting. https://filmora.wondershare.com/audio/best-free-daw-online.html Hi, Yes, and at the top of that list is Bandlab which may work. I have looked at a few or the others. There is another payed program call audiomover. It lets me share my DAW with someone else in more or less real time with high quality audio. It also is integrated with Zoom. It looks like the best solution. I cost $100 per year and if that allows someone else to work with me without it costing them anything and they only have to click on a link I send them it will be perfect. I read it is being used by some major world famous producers. Just a note about latency. Even if two computers are pretty close together, say in the same city, latency can and does change due to the number and type of devices the signal travels through. So a certain amount of glitches can and will happen. There is latency speaking to someone across the room, you just can't hear it. Your example of me adding a track and then you adding a track is how it has been done in the past. It is how OHM Studio worked. Programs like audiomover are making real time collaboration with integrated video communication close to as good as it likely to get. As far as we know the speed of light can not be exceeded. 124,188 miles per second is the speed of light for common fiber. The refractive index for single-mode fiber can vary slightly based on a number of factors. However, a good estimate is around 1.467, meaning that light travels through fiber at 186,282/1.467 = 124,188 miles per second. I have not drank enough coffee yet to do the math but off the top of my head I think that is about 8ms per thousand miles. Until I can round up some test partners at various distances, all this is just speculation. Cheers, Billy
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Keep in mind that the fiber will most probably not be running door-to-door. There will be other networks, hops, routing and possibly satellite communications involved. That's where the latency will enter the equation.
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Exactly. I can make a connection to another musician in an adjoining county in New York, and the connection might route through Boston. Next time Long Island. Maybe even up and down via satellite. There is no way of controlling where those packets are sent.
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And therein lies one of the biggest challenges of all near real time communication. One does not have control over the network path. The path can and does change. The amount of traffic changes the latency among many other parameters. Latency will be different through a 4700 Cisco router than a Cisco switch for example. Some experiments have been done in England between remote users who are connected to what I assume is private university networks which address some of the control issues.
Nonetheless, multi platinum record producers here in the United States are using the current state of the art technology to remotely communicate and to mix and master and record.
I have not been there to see this for myself...yet.
Oh, and by the way Matt, It looks like Zoom is being used by something over 40,000 companies. I think they are third on the list of market share. So Bandlab using them perhaps is pretty common.
Also the network path from New York to Boston could be short enough not to cause much of an issue especially if used at times of minium network usage all other things being equal.
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