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After the hurricanes and my computer being down for weeks there were updates on pretty much everything but I believe the culprit for this problem is Win 10 update 2004 which now makes Reaper, Cakewalk, BIAB and Realband have crackles and pops no matter where I set latency - actually higher makes it even worse.

I have run LatencyMon and it says audio should be fine but it's not. I have sample rates set to 24 bit 41,000. I have IDT sound disabled. The good old EMU was working perfectly before the update. And windows troubleshooting says I'm using the best driver. The weird thing is I thought I had it fixed when I disabled the IDT Audio which had gotten turned back on with that update - but it was short lived and then the crackles and pops returned.

These pops and crackles drive me nuts and I can't make any music or upload anything or even enjoy just listening. I don't have time for this - I'm trying to find a decent contractor to fix my house (that's a rant for another thread. crazy )

I've read so many threads with other people haVing this problem and nothing they did fixed it so I'm hoping Microsoft will step up if that's true.

I'm rambling. Dear Lord, I need a break here. grin

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Try 16-bit, 44.1K and see if it goes away. At least then you would know if the bit rate or sampling rate would be disagreeing with Windows. Then maybe change one or the other to narrow it down further.




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all programs playing up suggests it's system sound related. once you've tried the change to sample and bit rate (and hopefully it works but if not) it might be worth trying your motherboard's onboard sound to eliminate the emu card and driver being the problem

i had driver problems with an old creative card and before i got hacked drivers which cured the problem i was forced to use onboard sound to get anything sounding like decent

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You mentioned drivers that were reenabled, a common problem from Windows updates. But did you look for other Sound devices besides your desired sound card? Things like HD Audio for monitors can cause this behavior.


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Don't believe everything that Windows trouble shooting reports. I have had cases where it said that I have the best drivers loaded but when I went to my cards manufacturer's sites they had newer drivers. I would go to your sound card and video card sites and look for new drivers. Note that I have read that video drivers can mess up audio; I don't know for sure as it has never happened here.


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Mario, yes, the HD Audio drivers I mentioned are for video - for monitors (the seeing kind) that have built-in speakers. These drivers should be disabled.


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Try 16-bit, 44.1K and see if it goes away. At least then you would know if the bit rate or sampling rate would be disagreeing with Windows. Then maybe change one or the other to narrow it down further.


The lowest 16 bit choice is 88,200. The default shared setting is 24bit 48,000. Changing it to 24 bit 41,000 or leaving it doesn't make any difference. It's set to play whatever bit depth and sample rate each DAW or app calls for.

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You mentioned drivers that were reenabled, a common problem from Windows updates. But did you look for other Sound devices besides your desired sound card? Things like HD Audio for monitors can cause this behavior.


I have IDT High Definition Audio Codec disabled.

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Don't believe everything that Windows trouble shooting reports. I have had cases where it said that I have the best drivers loaded but when I went to my cards manufacturer's sites they had newer drivers. I would go to your sound card and video card sites and look for new drivers. Note that I have read that video drivers can mess up audio; I don't know for sure as it has never happened here.


I'm gonna check into that Mario. I just wish there was a way to keep the security updates and roll back the rest because it was working perfectly before.

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A requirement of minimum 88k with a 16-bit setting is just crazy.

You said your sound card is an EMU. That’s an old card by Creative Labs, yes? Which model? It’s possible it is no longer supported by Windows 10. Have you checked the vendor’s website for this?


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Originally Posted By: Matt Finley
A requirement of minimum 88k with a 16-bit setting is just crazy.

You said your sound card is an EMU. That’s an old card by Creative Labs, yes? Which model? It’s possible it is no longer supported by Windows 10. Have you checked the vendor’s website for this?


0404 USB it's one of those old classics audiophiles still love if they can find one. Or so I've read on forums. Yeah I thought even a choice of that setting was nuts too.

My concern is that it's not just me and my old Emu. There seems to be a smorgasbord of interface brands having the same issue and nothing fixing it. So I'm wondering if it's something to do with the AMD processor or the on board graphics or something else before I toss the old gal out. smile

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0404 USB it's one of those old classics audiophiles still love if they can find one. Or so I've read on forums. Yeah I thought even a choice of that setting was nuts too.

My concern is that it's not just me and my old Emu. There seems to be a smorgasbord of interface brands having the same issue and nothing fixing it. So I'm wondering if it's something to do with the AMD processor or the on board graphics or something else before I toss the old gal out. smile



Maybe this will help; it is 0404 Win 10 1903 and above drivers:

https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=529349


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I'll second those who mentioned not trusting Windows Update for drivers - often I've seen Windows Update install "updated" drivers that are older than the currently installed driver. It happens a lot less with Windows 10 than earlier versions, but still something to watch for.

Windows 10 version 2004 has actually been very stable for me in regards to audio software.


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Thanks guys. Good find Mario.

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For anyone who might have a similar issues in the future:

This is going to sound really strange I bet, but is the computer that you are running Windows 10 on perhaps a laptop? There are some things that can be checked such as minimum processor states. A lot of laptops that run Windows 10 on them are set to 5% instead of 100%, and this seems to happen the most with laptops due to their options for how they operate when plugged in versus being on battery life. Even if you aren't running these programs from a laptop, it could still be worth checking out. Setting the minimum and maximum processor states to 100% has certainly resolved this issue for others. It may not for you, but it is definitely worth trying so I do suggest looking into that if you haven't yet.

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Thanks guys. Good find Mario.


I hope it works for you.


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That’s a great tip. The power settings are another. Very few things are required for Windows 10 but these are if you do digital audio.


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Originally Posted By: Ember - PG Music
For anyone who might have a similar issues in the future:

This is going to sound really strange I bet, but is the computer that you are running Windows 10 on perhaps a laptop? There are some things that can be checked such as minimum processor states. A lot of laptops that run Windows 10 on them are set to 5% instead of 100%, and this seems to happen the most with laptops due to their options for how they operate when plugged in versus being on battery life. Even if you aren't running these programs from a laptop, it could still be worth checking out. Setting the minimum and maximum processor states to 100% has certainly resolved this issue for others. It may not for you, but it is definitely worth trying so I do suggest looking into that if you haven't yet.


Thanx for this reminder Ember. I just got my desktop music computer back from the shop and sure enough the minimum setting was 5%. I had forgotten about that setting.


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Setting the processor state will increase power consumption and heat in the computer, so it's only recommended to do this if you have a problem, and only to leave it set to 100% if it fixes the problem. I would personally recommend moving it up in increments from 5% rather than going straight to 100%, and if it doesn't fix your problem, set it back to 5%.

Another potential solution is to set the task priority to Above Normal or perhaps High (but not Realtime, that can cause freezing). You can do this from the Details tab in the Windows Task Manager (screenshot attached). Again, this is something that if setting it higher doesn't help, leave it at Normal.


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My production machine runs at 100%, but my backup machine overheats at 100 so I run that at 90% and the heat drops by about one-third. It’s easy to monitor the heat of various components with utilities.


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I've waved the white flag and ordered a Motu M2 (display model for a discount) from Sweetwater. Should be here in a few days. I hope it plays nice with win 10.

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I've waved the white flag and ordered a Motu M2 (display model for a discount) from Sweetwater. Should be here in a few days. I hope it plays nice with win 10.


According to their specs it should play nice with win 10:

https://motu.com/en-us/products/m-series/m2/specs/

I have their MOTU MIDI Express 128 and it has worked perfectly for win 10. It is an older unit; I started using it with XP!.


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