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#635707 - 01/11/21 06:41 AM [RealBand] POST YOUR ASIO SOUND INTERFACES THAT WORK WELL IN RB.
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all.
ive noticed over the years on pg some people seem to have sound devices that work fine with rb. others sometimes have issues.
various daw and other recording sites keep lists of sound devices that work well with different daws // music software.
thus i was thinking it might help if rb users posted "their"
asio sound interfaces/devices that work well with rb.
as i havent seen such a thread here.
please contribute, as it might help new users.
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#635713 - 01/11/21 07:01 AM [RealBand] Re: POST YOUR ASIO SOUND INTERFACES THAT WORK WELL IN RB. [Re: justanoldmuso]
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I have a Native Instruments Komplete Audio 6 that comes with its own ASIO and works fine with everything I have trown at it so far.

Among those Band in a Box, Real Band, Reason, Audacity, MuseScore3, Cakewalk, midig, various Media and Videoplayers and stand alone Versions of VST Hosts (Spitfire, UVIWorkstation, Sine Player,Kontakt Player, Guitar Rig 5 and Plogue Sforzando.

With Komplete Audi0 6 there are often bundled some VST Instruments from the Komplete Suite along with Stand alone Players to run them.
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#635714 - 01/11/21 07:04 AM [RealBand] Re: POST YOUR ASIO SOUND INTERFACES THAT WORK WELL IN RB. [Re: justanoldmuso]
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My Motu M2 works great with Realband.

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#635717 - 01/11/21 07:11 AM [RealBand] Re: POST YOUR ASIO SOUND INTERFACES THAT WORK WELL IN RB. [Re: justanoldmuso]
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I use the Roland Octa-Capture with both BiaB and RB.
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#635748 - 01/11/21 09:20 AM [RealBand] Re: POST YOUR ASIO SOUND INTERFACES THAT WORK WELL IN RB. [Re: justanoldmuso]
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Hi

I use an Akai EIE PRO usb Audio interface and its own dedicated ASIO drivers. Version 2964
This works fine for BIAB, RB and Cakewalk.

By the way Audacity does not support ASIO unless you can get hold of a recompiled copy on the net.
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#635756 - 01/11/21 10:09 AM [RealBand] Re: POST YOUR ASIO SOUND INTERFACES THAT WORK WELL IN RB. [Re: justanoldmuso]
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TASCAM US 20x20. Has plenty of inputs and outputs and works great with all my software, RB and BIAB included.
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#635759 - 01/11/21 10:34 AM [RealBand] Re: POST YOUR ASIO SOUND INTERFACES THAT WORK WELL IN RB. [Re: justanoldmuso]
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my Behringer U-Phoria UMC204HD USB Audio Interface works perfectly with RB - I never record in BIAB - ad there is a dedicated ASIO driver

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#635779 - 01/11/21 12:06 PM [RealBand] Re: POST YOUR ASIO SOUND INTERFACES THAT WORK WELL IN RB. [Re: justanoldmuso]
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#635792 - 01/11/21 12:54 PM [RealBand] Re: POST YOUR ASIO SOUND INTERFACES THAT WORK WELL IN RB. [Re: justanoldmuso]
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Behringer Uphoria UMC404HD. It has its own ASIO drivers.


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#635813 - 01/11/21 02:33 PM [RealBand] Re: POST YOUR ASIO SOUND INTERFACES THAT WORK WELL IN RB. [Re: justanoldmuso]
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I run a MOTU 828Mk3 with a dedicated MOTU ASIO driver. By the way, the MOTU ASIO is multi-client...can run multiple applications at the same time i.e. BIAB and RB / Cakewalk.

I have another ASIO driver direct from Steinberg that I just updated to their September 2020 release...definitely not multi-client.

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#635814 - 01/11/21 02:43 PM [RealBand] Re: POST YOUR ASIO SOUND INTERFACES THAT WORK WELL IN RB. [Re: justanoldmuso]
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Coincidence, the number in parenthesis is both the quantity and the version/build smile

Both work fine in RB/PT here so far.
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#636805 - 01/17/21 04:14 AM [RealBand] Re: POST YOUR ASIO SOUND INTERFACES THAT WORK WELL IN RB. [Re: rharv]
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this is good info for new users.
perhaps people could also report their latency figures as reported in their daw software. eg in reaper top right hand side. and rtl (round trip) if you have it available.
i'm still testing it, but i'm getting 4/5ms reported for new audient evo. could get less.
loved that akai pic.
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#636811 - 01/17/21 04:50 AM [RealBand] Re: POST YOUR ASIO SOUND INTERFACES THAT WORK WELL IN RB. [Re: justanoldmuso]
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I use a Presonus Audiobox 18/18 I have had it for several years now. It uses it own native ASIO driver. I have used it on both a PC and Mac. One huge advantage it has that I like comes with a simple version of studio one. Which Presonus makes. One thing I love about studio one is that it is cross platform and you don’t have to buy the Mac version if you have the PC version. They are available on your product page, and they are identical on both platforms.
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#637157 - 01/19/21 01:01 AM [RealBand] Re: POST YOUR ASIO SOUND INTERFACES THAT WORK WELL IN RB. [Re: justanoldmuso]
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All RME stuff i have and had worked flawlessly ..

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#637790 - 01/22/21 07:32 AM [RealBand] Re: POST YOUR ASIO SOUND INTERFACES THAT WORK WELL IN RB. [Re: fiddler2007]
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fiddler/all.
wish i could afford rme. great rep//drivers.
no esi users here either. apparently very good interfaces
ive heard.
THIS INTERFACE FROM BLACK LION LOOKS VERY INTERESTING.
https://www.blacklionaudio.com/store/interfaces/revolution2x2/


i dont see many interfaces with multi client drivers ?

does anyone have any experiences with usb mixers ?
eg soundcraft notepad 12 fx (good rep/preamps i understand.),
yamaha mg series ? (with dpres.) , presonus ?
other brands ?



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#637806 - 01/22/21 08:11 AM [RealBand] Re: POST YOUR ASIO SOUND INTERFACES THAT WORK WELL IN RB. [Re: Rob Helms]
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Originally Posted By: Rob Helms
I use a Presonus Audiobox 18/18 I have had it for several years now. It uses it own native ASIO driver. I have used it on both a PC and Mac. One huge advantage it has that I like comes with a simple version of studio one. Which Presonus makes. One thing I love about studio one is that it is cross platform and you don’t have to buy the Mac version if you have the PC version. They are available on your product page, and they are identical on both platforms.


I had been successfully using a PreSonus AudioBox 44VSL with all of my audio software for years. This week, I replaced it with a PreSonus Studio 1810c. Love it so far. I upgraded for several reasons, but I'll point out the two independent headphone amps with separate volume controls and separate mixes. They're going to get heavy use by my niece and I making our YT channel video voice-overs. EDIT: I'll also add that the Line Outs are DC coupled, so you can use them to send control voltages to external devices.





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#637942 - 01/23/21 04:56 AM [RealBand] Re: POST YOUR ASIO SOUND INTERFACES THAT WORK WELL IN RB. [Re: justanoldmuso]
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@ TheMaartian I am also interested in upgrading soon to a newer Presonus. I also have a Presonus faderport 8, and I love how it works with all my software. Both on PC and Mac. Both with studio one and Logic X. It is so simple to switch between those two software protocols. Literally 5 seconds. I’m sold on Presonus products especially since they have so much to offer from interfaces, control surfaces, consoles, and very rich software.
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#638464 - 01/26/21 11:53 AM [RealBand] Re: POST YOUR ASIO SOUND INTERFACES THAT WORK WELL IN RB. [Re: justanoldmuso]
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I second the suggestions for MOTU and RME - I have a Fireface 800, MOTU Traveler, and MOTU 828MK3 that all work very well. Drivers for all of them are very stable.


Originally Posted By: justanoldmuso
does anyone have any experiences with usb mixers ?
eg soundcraft notepad 12 fx (good rep/preamps i understand.),
yamaha mg series ? (with dpres.) , presonus ?
other brands ?


I've used a bunch. Most of the time the drivers are terrible or are generic - the Behringer mixers ship with ASIO4All as their "official" driver! Mackie and Yamaha were a bit better. I've got a Mackie Onyx 1640 with the Firewire interface that I'm rebuilding the power supply on, but iirc the drivers for that were much better.

The downside with USB mixers is that most of the USB mixers only have 2-in 2-out through USB even if you have a 16 or 24 channel board. Worse - one Mackie mixer was 2-in 4-out, but the two main outs were routed in such a way that they fed back to the inputs, so you couldn't actually record while having any audio output from output 1-2, and outputs 3-4 could only go to headphones! Terrible design if you ask me.


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#638490 - 01/26/21 01:43 PM [RealBand] Re: POST YOUR ASIO SOUND INTERFACES THAT WORK WELL IN RB. [Re: justanoldmuso]
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#638590 - 01/27/21 06:44 AM [RealBand] Re: POST YOUR ASIO SOUND INTERFACES THAT WORK WELL IN RB. [Re: BryMusic]
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ALL RB/BB/PG USERS.
this is a letter ive wanted to send to audio interface manufacturers for awhile.
see if the SPECS make sense, and feel free to add your own specs.

NOTE, its meant for the under 200 buck market/project studios/lone songwriters/small groups. its not meant for large orchestral recording sessions in big studios.

THE LETTER. as follows.
i feel a big under 200 dollars market segment is being missed by manufacturers to sell to computer based project studios.
so heres an idea for a new usb audio interface which can also be used standalone. and will also replace a usb audio mixer.
1. PRODUCT CONCEPT.
Think a slimmed down version of a usb mixer. basically without all the knobs and connectors etc etc.
where everything is done in software. and it can be optionally a 19 inch rackmount or not.
and can be used standalone or with mac or pc or even raspberry pi !, or ios or android or fire tablet.
also an ultra low round trip latency recording/playback device.
preferebly less than 2ms latency via custom engineering/custom multi client asio drivers .
(instead of useing generic drivers.)
and thus finally slaying the bane of all musicians, LATENCY.
1.1 Physical connectors.
*4 mic pre xlr combo for mic/line. plus seperate 4 direct out//send/return multifunctional connector.
ie can be used for outboard send/return and/or direct out after mic pre.
*mic pres can also handle guitars like a di box.(via software switch. mic or line or guitar di.).
*2 sets of output left/right stereo connectors for hooking up 2 sets of powered monitors.
(with a software switch for mono checks.)
*4 sets of headphone stereo sockets THAT ARE POWERFULL, (some are not powerfull !)
and can take a range of can impedences. so one doesnt have to buy seperate headphone amps.
(for ultra low latency record monitoring/playback. also a software switch for mono checks.)
*usb connector. unit powered by usb. BUT ALSO CAN BE POWERED BY standalone usb power brick whereby the unit is just used as 4 mic pres by themselves. via direct outs. eg in those cases where a computer isnt used. ie just useing the 4 mic pres.
*optionally a thunderbolt connector.
*the usb is used for simultaneous recording of the 4 pre inputs to 4 seperate daw recording traks and playback of mix all in sync. IE CAN RECORD 4 TRAKS AT A TIME UP TO 24 bit/96 K. optionally a stereo mix.
( i personally only ever use 24 bit / 44.1, but other users i know want higher rates.)
1.2 mic pre specs.
*variable input impedence (set in software) to handle certain types of dynamic mics.
*HIGH GAIN MIC PRE. eg 70 db. cos some dynamic mics need lots of gain.
(note. ive had to resort to condensor mics cos of this problem.). thus this would save useing in line preamps.
*of course ultra low noise , high headroom, boutique type pre. etc etc etc
*AND LE PIECE DE RESISTANCE, to quote french. each boutique pre can be configured in software to have various
"characters" other than clean wire with gain.
ie mic pre can be various "personalities".
lets call it a "mojo setting". but can also be ultra clean.
*48v dc on each mic pre for condensers. (no physical switch. set on/off via software.)
*limiter built in (configurable in software) so people new to studio work dont overload into the red.
2. SOFTWARE CONTROL.
*everything software controllable via computer display.
or tablet/phone (for standalone remote work).
eg input levels , sending to direct outs, setting 48v dc. setting mic or line or di on a channel.
limiter to stop overload etc etc.
and of course setting bit depth/sampling rate etc on computer daw .
*i wouldnt want to see too many added features in software , if this might affect ultra low latency.
thus , as part of a software daw bundle included, maybe include a low cpu use vst channel strip to be inserted on daw traks for such things as compression/eq/echo/reverb/other fx etc etc.
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i hope the above makes some sense. but, the overriding objective should be an interface that is ultra low
latency, that sounds wonderfull (with great a/d/a) and that can be used in a studio OR on location somewhere and with
multi client drivers.
eg recording nature sounds, or foley.(in the latter case maybe be powered from a vehicle for example.)

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ok . please critique the above specs.//add your own specs.
best
amiaskingtoomuchmuso.lol.


Edited by justanoldmuso (01/27/21 09:02 AM)
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#638605 - 01/27/21 07:39 AM [RealBand] Re: POST YOUR ASIO SOUND INTERFACES THAT WORK WELL IN RB. [Re: justanoldmuso]
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I would add that the ASIO driver be multi-client.

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#638618 - 01/27/21 08:59 AM [RealBand] Re: POST YOUR ASIO SOUND INTERFACES THAT WORK WELL IN RB. [Re: MountainSide]
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jeff.
excellent point . kudos to you.
kicking myself for forgetting the need for multi client.
amending specs in the post after posting this.
maybe after lots of pg users have critiqued specs , i'll email the specs/group think to manufacturers.

best.
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#638669 - 01/27/21 06:06 PM [RealBand] Re: POST YOUR ASIO SOUND INTERFACES THAT WORK WELL IN RB. [Re: justanoldmuso]
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Justanoldmuso: What you're asking for requires a lot of engineering for the hardware and the drivers, and in the sub-200 buck range what you'll be getting is probably not even a Behringer-level device. Low latency requires ongoing development, as Windows and Mac OS often change things (as we all know well). High gain low noise requires parts that will bump the price up a lot, and great A/D/A requires expensive converter chips and good supporting hardware. I don't think it'll happen.
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#638717 - 01/28/21 03:39 AM [RealBand] Re: POST YOUR ASIO SOUND INTERFACES THAT WORK WELL IN RB. [Re: Simon - PG Music]
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Simon.
you make very good points, and i always value highly your input on studio tech.
i had similar feelings until recently , when i came across a series of you tube videos where a guy called julian krause does rigorous testing on various inexpensive audio interfaces.
he tests in detail with charts and measurements. etc etc.

thus i came to the conclusion that the latest generation of interfaces are getting very good these days.
check a few out.
focusrite scarlett
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jg6RZZBS9ls
motu m.2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3ednXYd1pA
maudio 192
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-q41YOSl_Q
my evo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrAdO8n8cfU

and there are many others simon includeing behringer reviewed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_SRRhXnPrA
heres his channel on you tube
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0HrD4cTsQpAZ8KK9jPzzGg
a slew of reviews and measurements.

best
muso.



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#639316 - 01/31/21 09:44 AM [RealBand] Re: POST YOUR ASIO SOUND INTERFACES THAT WORK WELL IN RB. [Re: justanoldmuso]
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Don't forget we're dealing with a very small market here. I've read articles about someone approaching an Asian chip maker about producing a specialized chip but as soon as they say they need 50,000 or whatever they get a blank stare. They won't start to get interested until you start talking 10-20 million units. When someone asks why can't these interface manufacturers come up with a higher quality DAC or other component this is the problem. They wind up using chips that are used in everything from cars to A/V receivers in order to piggyback their needs onto high volume low priced chips. I'm probably way off on my example numbers but the point is correct.

This is the same problem with computers. You never see blurbs from Dell, HP or any other computer manufacturers talking about how great they work with DAW's.

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#639317 - 01/31/21 10:02 AM [RealBand] Re: POST YOUR ASIO SOUND INTERFACES THAT WORK WELL IN RB. [Re: jazzmammal]
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Good point Bob, especially when you couple that with the desire for a low price point.

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#639364 - 01/31/21 01:48 PM [RealBand] Re: POST YOUR ASIO SOUND INTERFACES THAT WORK WELL IN RB. [Re: MountainSide]
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jazzmammal
of course good points re market size.
but lets see how the future pans out in the interface market over the next 18 months or so.
interfaces are an ever moving tech.
interestingly enough , i nearly plopped for a wonderfull RME interface.
EVEN MY WIFE WANTED ME TO GET IT !!!!
but the tech rapid changes made me reconsider.

i read recently (forgotten where) some big name recording engr said even budget gear today is often better than what the big boys were useing ages back.

JM/Jeff/Simon.
here was my thinking why i posted those specs up thread.
lets take the soundcraft 12 fx usb mixer for example.
its 179 buks !! and the preamps from what i read are no slouch according to reviews on the preamps ive read. (apparently some users have had driver issues ?)
https://www.soundcraft.com/en/products/notepad-12fx
thats one great deal for such a small sum.

THUS. my thinking was , is it possible to put out a
interface with the specs i posted up thread under 200 buks ?

frankly i'm watching that new black lion usb interface i mentioned up thread, even tho i'm happy with evo so far.
the specs for the black lion interface mention, interestingly enough that it uses "PG-i technology" !
anyone know what PG-i is ?? and its not mentioned if the drivers are multi client.

then of course there is behringer. i would expect them to issue a new series of usb audio interfaces.
i would never underestimate them.
another reason i didnt want to spend lots of dosh on a new interface.

interesting times indeed !

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#639820 - 02/02/21 05:23 PM [RealBand] Re: POST YOUR ASIO SOUND INTERFACES THAT WORK WELL IN RB. [Re: justanoldmuso]
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#640046 - 02/03/21 05:20 PM [RealBand] Re: POST YOUR ASIO SOUND INTERFACES THAT WORK WELL IN RB. [Re: justanoldmuso]
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Originally Posted By: justanoldmuso
jazzmammal
JM/Jeff/Simon.
here was my thinking why i posted those specs up thread.
lets take the soundcraft 12 fx usb mixer for example.
its 179 buks !! and the preamps from what i read are no slouch according to reviews on the preamps ive read. (apparently some users have had driver issues ?)
https://www.soundcraft.com/en/products/notepad-12fx
thats one great deal for such a small sum.

THUS. my thinking was , is it possible to put out a
interface with the specs i posted up thread under 200 buks ?


The problem with this mixer is that the USB audio interface is only 2x2 - 2 input, 2 output. It doesn't record each Mic preamp separately, only the stereo mix out of the board. A 4-channel audio interface with 4 mic preamps would be able to record each one discretely, but would require a higher-level AD/DA chip that can do more than 2 channels at a time. Likely the Soundcraft mixer is using an off-the-shelf chip for that, as previously mentioned.

Look at the Presonus StudioLive AR8c mixer - it's got an 8x4 interface in it, though the price is appropriately inflated to $699 (or $499 for those of you south of the 49th).
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#640060 - 02/03/21 06:45 PM [RealBand] Re: POST YOUR ASIO SOUND INTERFACES THAT WORK WELL IN RB. [Re: Simon - PG Music]
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Simon. re 12 fx.
actually there is some confusion on the net over the number of channels one can NOW record with it at one time over usb. apparently the drivers and firmware have been updated ,
as well as the control panel ?
some people are saying now 4x4 ? on the net.
but i cant confirm that.
if you get further info, post back.
from audio examples ive heard it sounds very good to me ,
and various users of the 12fx confirm that fact if one googles.
ive heard no complaints bout a/d/a quality at all.
and everyone seems to like the pre's a lot.

re Presonus. actually awhile back i DID try a presonus audiobox 96.
the mic pre's (although good) didnt crank me up the way evo's do.
the evo mic pre just has "something", a "mojo" (i remember your intelligent dda comment in another thread) i find difficult to put into words.
even sound on sound likes evo's mic pre's//sound as do many other reviewers.
eg https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/audient-evo-4-evo-8
so i dont think i have perception bias.
its all personal preference of course.
how come the brits seem to design such nice mic pre's ?

always the best to you.
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#640267 - 02/04/21 04:51 PM [RealBand] Re: POST YOUR ASIO SOUND INTERFACES THAT WORK WELL IN RB. [Re: justanoldmuso]
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Originally Posted By: justanoldmuso
Simon. re 12 fx.
actually there is some confusion on the net over the number of channels one can NOW record with it at one time over usb. apparently the drivers and firmware have been updated ,
as well as the control panel ?
some people are saying now 4x4 ? on the net.
but i cant confirm that.
if you get further info, post back.
from audio examples ive heard it sounds very good to me ,
and various users of the 12fx confirm that fact if one googles.
ive heard no complaints bout a/d/a quality at all.
and everyone seems to like the pre's a lot.

re Presonus. actually awhile back i DID try a presonus audiobox 96.
the mic pre's (although good) didnt crank me up the way evo's do.
the evo mic pre just has "something", a "mojo" (i remember your intelligent dda comment in another thread) i find difficult to put into words.
even sound on sound likes evo's mic pre's//sound as do many other reviewers.
eg https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/audient-evo-4-evo-8
so i dont think i have perception bias.
its all personal preference of course.
how come the brits seem to design such nice mic pre's ?

always the best to you.
muso.



Interesting bit on that mixer, I'll have to check it out. I agree, the Presonus pre's didn't do much for me. The ones in my RME are better, though I still definitely prefer using my DDA board, or my old Altec mixer I retrofitted, or the Focusrite channel strip I've got, or even an old Digidesign Pre 8-channel preamp I dug up somewhere that does a crystal clear 69db of gain for 8 channels in 2 rack spaces - not much character, but very accurate and quiet.

As a Brit myself I'll take your comment as a compliment! Or maybe just half a compliment as I'm technically half Brit.
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#640417 - 02/05/21 01:12 PM [RealBand] Re: POST YOUR ASIO SOUND INTERFACES THAT WORK WELL IN RB. [Re: Simon - PG Music]
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Simon/ALL.
RE. Allen & Heath ZEDi 10fx usb mixer.
(who are the people that name products ? lol. )
the above is looking interesting. according to specs by AH;
4x4. MULTICLIENT ASIO !, 24 bit/96k. mac/ios/pc.
ie record 4 traks at a time over usb. nice pres apparently.
heres full details. (page down page).
https://www.allen-heath.com/ahproducts/zedi-10fx/
heres the important usb win driver specs/help guide.
https://www.allen-heath.com/media/ZEDi-USB-Windows-Driver-Help.pdf
looks like a very interesting product.
brit designed boutique pres again ?
check out the manuals and driver details.
4ms or less latency i thought i saw on the net ?

anyone know anything ?

best.
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ps brits make some great stuff, cept if i remember the electronics in some cars could be a problem. lol.




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#640462 - 02/05/21 05:00 PM [RealBand] Re: POST YOUR ASIO SOUND INTERFACES THAT WORK WELL IN RB. [Re: justanoldmuso]
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Don't know much about the brand Muso but the price is right! I don't recall anyone here on the forums using this brand. Wonder how quiet those pres are.

Being multi client for me is a big deal I typically run BIAB, RB and Cakewalk all at once, switching back and forth in my home studio. When I play for others, I run BIAB and RB at the same time cause some of my song are BIAB only, others RB only.

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#640676 - 02/06/21 04:44 PM [RealBand] Re: POST YOUR ASIO SOUND INTERFACES THAT WORK WELL IN RB. [Re: MountainSide]
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Jeff.
in the last week ive done lots of zed research.
they claim boutique mic pres, and apparently from the reviews
the zed series is v good.

but , its best to do what i do.
my music store i have good relations with and i can return anything within 30 days. or i rent it to test for a while.
thus i'll probably test out any new interface and rent it when it comes out. if it looks promising.

frankly technically its difficult to screw up mic pre designs these days cos of "mic pre's on a chip" etc etc.
thus you can get v low noise mic pre's.

ie chips are ultra low noise. prolly a few nanovolts/hz or less probably.

the DIFFICULT PART is building mic pre's with "mojo" like the old
classic mic pre's.
basically the original op amps were transistor circuits in sealed enclosures if i remember. they even used germanium transistors.

best
muso


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#641503 - 02/11/21 06:29 AM [RealBand] Re: POST YOUR ASIO SOUND INTERFACES THAT WORK WELL IN RB. [Re: justanoldmuso]
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update.
all.
daw//audio interface users should give this a listen.
latest dawbench radio show jan 2021 episode 8 , co host is from MS.
guess who is crowned king in audio interface rateings?
midi 2.0 also covered and lots of other appropo topics.
details on topics covered at the link.
https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM...Ag&hl=en-CA

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#641718 - 02/12/21 07:54 AM [RealBand] Re: POST YOUR ASIO SOUND INTERFACES THAT WORK WELL IN RB. [Re: justanoldmuso]
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heres a review of the inexpensive new audient recording bundle
on you tube. i like the down to earth hands on of the review.
it includes evo 4 (that i'm testing out, so far no probs),
a mic and headphones.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpS9mN--Zuc

best
muso


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#642680 - 02/17/21 03:31 PM [RealBand] Re: POST YOUR ASIO SOUND INTERFACES THAT WORK WELL IN RB. [Re: MountainSide]
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Don't know much about the brand Muso but the price is right! I don't recall anyone here on the forums using this brand. Wonder how quiet those pres are.

Being multi client for me is a big deal I typically run BIAB, RB and Cakewalk all at once, switching back and forth in my home studio. When I play for others, I run BIAB and RB at the same time cause some of my song are BIAB only, others RB only.

Jeff


Allen & Heath is generally great quality stuff - higher build and sound quality than the regular cheapies - Behringer, Mackie, Yamaha, probably roughly the equivalent to a Soundcraft perhaps. I've sold many over the years at a previous job, and customers were always happy.
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#643967 - 02/25/21 06:14 PM [RealBand] Re: POST YOUR ASIO SOUND INTERFACES THAT WORK WELL IN RB. [Re: justanoldmuso]
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I USE a Focusrite 2i4. I own a couple of M-Audio interfaces too. One is a Fast Track Pro and the other is an M-Track 2x2. I just like the Focusrite better and the ASIO driver doesn't fail at all. I actually use it as my Windows sound device full time. My computer speakers in my office are KRK Rokit 5 monitors.
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I just like the Focusrite better and the ASIO driver doesn't fail at all. I actually use it as my Windows sound device full time.

Same here with the 18i20, no issues for years...
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I've been using a Roland quad-capture for many years...
Just bought a microphone and thought it would be fun to try and record myself...
Unfortunately there are problems with latency.
Whilst Band-in-a-box recognises the ASIO drivers, RealBand will not.
I've used this as an excuse to but a Solid State Logic SSL2+ which I hope will arrive next week.
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#644060 - 02/26/21 10:38 AM [RealBand] Re: POST YOUR ASIO SOUND INTERFACES THAT WORK WELL IN RB. [Re: justanoldmuso]
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We've made a couple changes in an upcoming patch for RealBand that should increase compatibility with some previously not working ASIO drivers, so this list should expand a bit once that patch is released. Don't ask me for a release date for this patch, it'll be done when it's done!


Originally Posted By: Mark Stonebanks
I've used this as an excuse to but a Solid State Logic SSL2+ which I hope will arrive next week.
Anybody using the SSL2+


That interface is gaining some popularity and I'd love to play with it myself, see how it stands up to the SSL Duality console I used to use!


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All.
here is a comprehensive list by sweetwater of usb audio mixers with lots of inputs. it looks to me like the number of entrants is growing from last time i looked.
i know the soundcraft and allen/heath are well regarded.
the new mackie pro fx v3 line also looks interesting with compression on some input channels unlike some other mixers but i think i'm correct in saying the new mackies will only record to 2 traks at a time into the daw.
this list is just an alternative to the typical usb devices we all buy.
https://www.sweetwater.com/c264--USB_Analog_Mixers
for more info consult manufacturers web sites and also lots of reviews on you tube.
the above list might be of interest for users/small groups of musos needing lots of inputs
best
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i think i'm correct in saying the new mackies will only record to 2 traks at a time into the daw.


That is correct, having used them myself. Most mixers with USB work that way, with only a few exceptions in the lower price range (more of the expensive stuff does have multitrack interfaces built in).

Reminds me, I have a Mackie Onyx 1640 with the firewire interface that I need to finish rebuilding. Wonder if it'll work in BIAB...
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I'm using a Behringer Xenyx 1204usb mixer but I only record a single track at a time.
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