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#635426 - 01/09/21 04:31 PM
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Re: Is 2021 Worth the money.
[Re: Jim Fogle]
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There are several updates I think make upgrading worthwhile. Here are some that come to mind:
10) You can now copy and move audio from track to track the same as you midi. This one seems pretty basic. Only achieved now with 2021? Especially when it comes to audio, there is much less reason to move to a DAW other than personal preference. Many things users previously used DAWs for can now be done in BiaB. Not only is there more audio functionality but rendered audio and audio playback will sound better. Do you feel RealBand is now on par with or better than Reaper?
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#635726 - 01/11/21 08:03 AM
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Re: Is 2021 Worth the money.
[Re: jonel]
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Compare RealBand to Reaper? Why? How? They perform different jobs.
RealBand compliments Band-in-a-Box. RealBand offers features Band-in-a-Box doesn't have while Band-in-a-Box has features RealBand doesn't have. Both RealBand and Band-in-a-Box work with PG Music content like RealTracks and SuperMidi.
Reaper includes programming by script which allows users to mold the DAW to fit particular case uses and extend it's features.
I don't see how it's fair to either product to compare them. And, the question veers off topic.
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#635816 - 01/11/21 02:54 PM
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Re: Is 2021 Worth the money.
[Re: Funkifized]
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So, that clearly begs the question: what's the workflow that one should use to avoid going back and forth between BIAB and RB? In my opinion, for accompaniment users, there's little if any benefit to move a project to RB. A very complex arrangement consisting of dozens of instruments mixed, panned and audio leveled can be programmed and rendered taking little time to complete. Constructing a song in BIAB by programming the arrangement similar to how one contructs the song form and chord progression into the Chord Chart yields a professional quality render that the BIAB algorithm has anticipated instrument changes such as solo intro's and endings, instrument mutes and return to normal status, the same as the Chord Chart anticipates and reacts to shots, holds, rests, drum fills, Part Markers and chord changes. The result is that BIAB selects part appropriate audio or midi and provides smooth transitions, avoids abrupt beginnings and cut off's and also many other automated actions and create nice, complex arrangements that normally don't require any post editing. The same is true of composing except users have developed a workflow that prompts them into thinking they have to have a high degree of individual instrument manual control. How does one make up for the fact that RB doesn't do anything with Multistyles and won't import frozen tracks? Complete those actions in BIAB and export the audio out to RB.
Edited by Charlie Fogle (01/11/21 03:27 PM)
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#636169 - 01/13/21 05:09 AM
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Re: Is 2021 Worth the money.
[Re: Bob Calver]
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just thinking out loud but what happens if...........
you freeze tracks in BIAB
open the file in RB - tempo and bars should match
delete all the regenerated tracks (which would leave the chord sheet and part markers i think!)
re-open BIAB and select DAW mode and drag and drop the frozen tracks (and multi style changes) into the RB song...........
would that work? you'd still have to add reverb etc to the tracks in RB but would that be a simple workaround?
can't see any need to go back to BIAB if it works Bob, there's a better method that requires less importing/exporting back and forth between you may want to try. There are steps to create a BIAB song and open the saved file in RB with the individual frozen tracks saved with or without Fx applied to the tracks. The process freezes the track, names the track and saves the track to the song file folder. In versions of BIAB prior to 2021, the Mixer tracks display both the blue snowflake symbol and also the changes the track color to orange. It's possible to confirm the saved track is identical to the current BIAB Mixer track. The saved tracks can be imported into any DAW that can use WAV or WMA audio files. There are additional benefits to opening the BIAB song file in RB. In versions prior to 2021: The saved files are named to match the Legacy BIAB Mixer Channels. (Bass, Piano, Drums, Guitar, Strings, Melody, Soloist and Audio) In RB, the first 8 BIAB can be converted to regular tracks and the frozen saved files can be imported to the matching RB first 8 BIAB tracks at the top of the tracks sheet. In RB, the chords and part markers are imported correctly. In RB, the underlying midi tracks are imported. Opening a BIAB project in RB that's been prepared and saved in the BIAB project before opening it in RB provides the following in order: The first 8 tracks will have the frozen and saved BIAB project tracks and they will be loaded in the BIAB Legacy Name order. (B,P,D,G,S,M,S,A) The tracks starting at track 9 will have the new generated instruments from the BIAB project followed by The underlying MIDI instrument tracks. This isn't a workaround but a BIAB feature that's been available for recording audio since at least 2014 when I became aware of it. It works with both Windows and Mac systems. Best of all. It literally is no harder to implement than freezing tracks. All of the freezing, naming, saving and track marking (snowflake and color change) are automated by BIAB. Individual tracks can be selected from a single track to all of the BIAB Mixer tracks. In 2021, Utility Tracks can also be selected with a bit of effort. This process works with MIDI, RealTracks or Audio. This process allows the creation of Stems and sub-mixes from within BIAB with no requirement of a DAW. ___________ To use this process:Once a track is ready to be frozen and ready for export, rather than freeze the track in the normal manner, Right click on the track: Track Actions| Save as Performance File (WAV,WMA)That's it for BIAB. BIAB automates all of the rest of the actions! I've added a Screenshot of the BIAB project save folder. Note the files are saved in the BIAB Legacy Name format and in their listed order. In RB, converting the BB tracks to regular tracks and importing the frozen saved tracks are the only additional actions that are necessary for the initial project setup to be as I described above.
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Edited by Charlie Fogle (01/13/21 05:26 AM)
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#636259 - 01/13/21 02:52 PM
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Re: Is 2021 Worth the money.
[Re: jonel]
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You save your RB SEQ files in the same folder?
Your image shows a SEQ file created a half hour later than the others .. just curious how it got there
Also, what's a 'terst'? (ducks and runs)
./\../\../\../\... made it this far, I don't think he can reach me now
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#636277 - 01/13/21 05:33 PM
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Re: Is 2021 Worth the money.
[Re: jonel]
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Terst is a level 2 test that is erased once a folder is dropped into a thread to demonstrate an action.
All of the files in the folder were created in BIAB and can be imported into RB or any other DAW that can accept WAV or WMA files...
The files in this folder were imported into RB after I opened the BIAB file in RB.
I saved the RB SEQ file into my Terst folder to make erasure a single click process.
Edited by Charlie Fogle (01/14/21 02:41 AM)
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