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#640240 - 02/04/21 02:22 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh] Re: Big Sur [Re: Mike Halloran]
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Apple and Amazon rival each other as the most valuable companies in the world
because they are playing and using you !
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Apple is transitioning away
yea so you need to buy new hardware ! wake up Man !
A loyal cult member protecting and obeying the Leader. He is using you, He is playing you.
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There is only one Windows app that I'd like to see on the Mac and that is Real Band
you're joking aren't you ? just goes to show how much you know about RealBand. And here again you are now telling ME about RealBand ?
Why attack the messenger, I could die tomorrow but will there not still be the same problems, it won't be solved by me dying ?
Why be defensive, why not work to solve the issues rather than attacking me ?
If I left the forum years ago because of such attacks by users being over defensive and protective of Biab RB such as you are now doing for apple when I told the truth, what would you now have ?
Is this not what happens throughout history ?
Do we learn from this or do we keep doing the same thing expecting different results.
If someone tells the truth attack them ????
The reason you have a lot of features in Biab & RealBand and you have a BBPlugin is because of ME telling the TRUTH, I give constructive criticism and development ideas that you yourself now use, if I was dead you would not have these features or a BBPlugin point blank.
Would you not be better telling the TRUTH to apple rather than being hurt because I told the TRUTH ?
Do I serve any purpose in your eyes ?
Do I get zero respect ?

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#640939 - 02/08/21 08:05 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh] Re: Big Sur [Re: TRYUK]
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Any news about an update?
The notation window is empty and I can not print any exercise.

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#640983 - 02/08/21 10:20 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh] Re: Big Sur [Re: TRYUK]
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Update?
Purchase a Windows machine, then buy the BIAB/RB for Windows 2021.
That is my guess.
Just sayin'.

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#640993 - 02/08/21 11:54 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh] Re: Big Sur [Re: CrvsCrx]
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Originally Posted By: CrvsCrx
Update?
Purchase a Windows machine, then buy the BIAB/RB for Windows 2021.
That is my guess.
Just sayin'.


Dual Boot, put another hard drive in your Mac, install Win10, get a product key off eBay for new install only, very cheap.
Do a crossgrade of the main app only or buy 2021 app only, both come with RealBand, you can batch convert the aif/m4a to wav/wma and use all your existing RT RD.
Just rename both "LibraryM" folders in RealTracks and RealTracks\DirectInput to "Library".
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#641054 - 02/08/21 06:15 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh] Re: Big Sur [Re: Nagano]
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Originally Posted By: Nagano
Any news about an update?
The notation window is empty and I can not print any exercise.


We are currently testing the patch update. Try sending an email to support@pgmusic.com - we may be able to provide a Beta version of the patch for you.

Also, please stop fighting about OS platform superiority! We all know macOS is better for audio anyway.
*ducks and runs away*

In all seriousness, I'm a Mac user, but I rarely have issues with Windows myself and use it often on some of my own computers (mostly for computer games really).


Edited by Simon - PG Music (02/08/21 06:17 PM)
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#641057 - 02/08/21 06:21 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh] Re: Big Sur [Re: TRYUK]
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For all?


Edited by CrvsCrx (02/08/21 07:12 PM)

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#641072 - 02/08/21 07:28 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh] Re: Big Sur [Re: TRYUK]
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Great news Simon. I look forward to the release smile


Edited by keyboard (02/08/21 07:29 PM)
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#641073 - 02/08/21 07:32 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh] Re: Big Sur [Re: Simon - PG Music]
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If you had an alternate universe where Mac has Rosetta, it runs the same 32/64 bit apps on all updates n upgrades.
Would you get users complaining ?:
"WTF I went to run a 32 bit app and it worked, this is no good, I don't want this !"
"I upgraded and all the apps still worked, this is totally unacceptable, can we stop this from happening some way ?"
"I clicked on a ppc app and it ran, WTF is going on here, how do I stop this ?"

NO you wouldn't because that alternate universe would be heaven.

It's easy saying it's not a problem but if you are one of the many programmers that have to actually fix these issues all the time it's another story.
All these posts here and all the pressure is on the programmer !, NOT apple !
I think you guys should give the empathy to the programmer and copy paste all these post to the apple forum. You don't want to allow them to get away scot free from any of the responsibility.

It's not a football team rivalry where you say that team is bad this team is good, it's just truth.
How many of you have spoken out and said anything at all to apple rather than to me ? The more you speak up and tell the truth the more likely this will bring about change, sure you might get censored on fb or twitter but you've gotta try.
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#641099 - 02/09/21 02:53 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh] Re: Big Sur [Re: KeithR]
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Originally Posted By: KeithR
I use iReal on MacOS too. I have used BIAB for over twenty years and I love the program. But between having to pay so much for upgrades each year to stay current on new versions of MacOS, and the long delay in BIAB working well on new operating systems I am seriously considering removing it and going with iReal. BIAB is a far superior product, but I just use it for play along to practise improvising, not performances or recording, so I could live with the more restrictive combos and patterns on iReal. Staying with BIAB means I pay a lot of money every year for functions that I don't really use. I dread to think how much I have paid over the years. Thousands of dollars, I suspect.


Thank you for this information. I share exactly this point of view. Farewell BIAB, hello iReal !!

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#641103 - 02/09/21 03:18 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh] Re: Big Sur [Re: TRYUK]
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I had never heard of iReal before and just checked it out. Not as powerful as BiaB but at just £13.99 here in the UK was worth buying. As KeithR said, it costs an awful lot of money to keep up to date with BiaB, I am already close on £1000 and for almost 3 months it just does not work properly. While I do really love BiaB I am very disappointed that a fix is taking so long. I certainly will not be in a rush to upgrade to 2021 when it is released, as the saying goes Once bitten twice shy.
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#641121 - 02/09/21 05:40 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh] Re: Big Sur [Re: TRYUK]
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As said by others, BIAB is just one of many music/audio apps I use daily which is not yet compatible with Big Sur. Running a dual boot with Catalina from an external drive is a decent work-around IMHO (or in my case, the other way around, running Catalina as default and Big Sur booted from an external drive). It's not the first time, and will certainly not be the last Mac OS update which require some patience ...

A beta version of BIAB for Big Sur currently being tested by PGMusic is good news! I guess it has been some hard work, judging from what I've heard from other companies, thanks!

Btw, iReal is a nice app as well. I use it frequently when I'm on the fly. But it doesn't fulfil all my needs, which BIAB does. Running it natively on OSX is more convenient for me than running the Windows version using Parallels. I'm confident that PGMusic will continue to support us MAC users as well.

Just my few cents ...

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#641148 - 02/09/21 07:58 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh] Re: Big Sur [Re: Frazzi]
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Also look at MTH Jazz Play-Along (for iOS) and MTH Pro (for iOS and OSx) on App Store.


Edited by CrvsCrx (02/09/21 09:22 AM)

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#641198 - 02/09/21 03:14 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh] Re: Big Sur [Re: TRYUK]
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I love Mac I would rather use it than Win ! but mine just sits there now because of this very reason, I'm fed up with it. You can only have so many different versions of Mac to run different apps on your machine.
This is ridiculous that with every update/upgrade that happens so often something don't work anymore and sends developers crazy just trying to play catch up and get their software to work on the new version, then no sooner there is another version released.
WHY ????
I would be using it full time now if things just kept working, but they don't !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't like being loyal to something that keeps screwing you over and taking for granted that you will remain loyal as if in a cult, obey and follow the Leader. Sorry guys I Loved Mac but at what point do you say enough already ?
Does Biab run so much better with each update/upgrade ?
Are the stars brighter now at night ? is the sky bluer, the trees greener ? can your consciousness now access another level ?
But don't worry there will be another version released next month to screw us all up all over again and we will blindly follow the Leader.
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#641220 - 02/09/21 04:54 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh] Re: Big Sur [Re: Pipeline]
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Even though Biab 2007 will run on the latest Windows you still have a Compatibility Mode option:


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#641239 - 02/09/21 06:17 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh] Re: Big Sur [Re: TRYUK]
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Bottom line... Where is the patch for BIAB Mac 2020?

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#641288 - 02/09/21 11:37 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh] Re: Big Sur [Re: TRYUK]
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As suggested by Simon above, I asked BIAB's support team for the link to the beta version of the patch which they kindly sent me.

Unfortunately the installation failed because it requires BIAB 2020 and I own BIAB 2019.

The paradox here is that I didn't upgrade to the 2020 version because it was not compatible with Big Sur but now, to be able to try out a beta patch that can potentially ensure that compatibility... I'd have to purchase the upgrade.

I'm sure it's not meant to be like that, but it definitely feels like ransomware. In order to recover my previous investment on BIAB I'd have to pay an extra fee to PGMusic with even no guarantee that it will work.

I'm not happy!!!

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#641289 - 02/09/21 11:41 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh] Re: Big Sur [Re: PLS]
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You should be able to extract the 2020 app out of the installer with Pacifist
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#641291 - 02/10/21 12:14 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh] Re: Big Sur [Re: Pipeline]
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@Pipeline Thank you for the suggestion but that is not my point. I don't want to run the 2020 version of BIAB. I'm not even entitled to do it since I didn't pay for it. But I do want my fully licensed and paid for version of BIAB 2019 to run on Big Sur before I decide if I want to keep spending money on future releases of BIAB.

@PGMusic Could you kindly shed some light on this issue please? Will all users be forced to upgrade to BIAB 2020 to have a working version of the program? If so, will it happen every time Apple releases a new version of macOS?

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#641295 - 02/10/21 12:40 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh] Re: Big Sur [Re: PLS]
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The 2020 will work as 30day trial.
So are you looking for a fix for 2019 ?
The Band-in-a-Box 2020 build 422 is in beta testing now for Big Sur.
Depending on how much work was done on this to fix it for Sur and if that can be applied to 2019 then maybe they might make a 2019 fix ???
But 2021 will be released soon.
There used to be an app only upgrade for $49
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#641343 - 02/10/21 07:22 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh] Re: Big Sur [Re: TRYUK]
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There should be no cost to BIAB owners... It's about the Benjamins.

Previous versions of BIAB are not compatible with the update patch? Sounds like PG Music is following Apple's playbook.


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