If you had an alternate universe where Mac has Rosetta, it runs the same 32/64 bit apps on all updates n upgrades. Would you get users complaining ?: "WTF I went to run a 32 bit app and it worked, this is no good, I don't want this !" "I upgraded and all the apps still worked, this is totally unacceptable, can we stop this from happening some way ?" "I clicked on a ppc app and it ran, WTF is going on here, how do I stop this ?"
NO you wouldn't because that alternate universe would be heaven.
It's easy saying it's not a problem but if you are one of the many programmers that have to actually fix these issues all the time it's another story. All these posts here and all the pressure is on the programmer !, NOT apple ! I think you guys should give the empathy to the programmer and copy paste all these post to the apple forum. You don't want to allow them to get away scot free from any of the responsibility.
It's not a football team rivalry where you say that team is bad this team is good, it's just truth. How many of you have spoken out and said anything at all to apple rather than to me ? The more you speak up and tell the truth the more likely this will bring about change, sure you might get censored on fb or twitter but you've gotta try.
Thank you Pipeline. On one side, I think it's inevitable that Apple will need to remove certain functionality for future progress, like removing 32-bit support in Catalina and jumping from OS9 to OSX - imagine the coding nightmare if macOS still had compatibility with OS9 apps and earlier!
On the other side, software developers like us have great difficulty when we have to chase down issues that crop up due to Apple "progress". Case in point - Apple made an update to their MobileDevice.framework in Mojave and High Sierra that automatically installs when an iPhone is plugged in, and the "update" removes all 32-bit functionality from that particular framework despite the fact that Mojave supports both 32 and 64-bit apps. This update causes BIAB 2018 and earlier to not start, and fixing it on our end requires a complete rewrite of BIAB as a 64-bit app (much like we did going into the 2019 version).
Realistically though, Apple isn't gonna change how they operate unless we all vote with our wallets, and I know most of us won't.
Last edited by Simon - PG Music; 02/10/2110:47 AM.
Thanks Simon, well said. The good thing is Mac uses Windows hardware so if anyone else gets fed up they can easily install Win10 on the hardware. You can even extract all the drivers out of the BootCamp pkg. I loved Mac and would rather use it but this issue just put me off it, I don't need anymore stress in my life You can only multiboot so many different version of Mac on your machine or so many VirtualBoxes. I think apple takes users for granted, but PG don't.
Not for much longer, thanks to the new M1 chip - although some enterprising individuals have figured out how to load Windows 10 for ARM onto the new M1 Macs and apparently it's quite fast - though of course BIAB still requires Intel/x86-64.
Last edited by Simon - PG Music; 02/10/2102:51 PM.
You can't really throw all the Intel Macs in the garbage even though that is what apple want you to do to "buy" their new hardware that is made in China at cost to them of $5. It will be way cheaper and no more problems like we have here on a regular basis, to install Win10 on them, END OF THESE PROBLEMS. Windows Biab 2021 RealBand 2021 they are old news here Last Weeks Apple
Pipeline. lol. i DO HOPE the big guys switch to high end macs etc etc. that means more cheap intel refurbs flooding the market for us poorer musicians. best to stay behind the tech curve imho. i'm seeing great deals on refurb xeon beasts from earlier generations. both on the apple and on the win side. under 600 buks. lots of deals. even seen refurbs for 150 buks, plenty good enough to run bb. ive found the ssd's make a big diff in daw work.
« Just wanted to mention that we aren’t all Apple haters« +1 For information, I had a « Big Sur » problem with my notation software, but it was corrected in a few days...
...that means more cheap intel refurbs flooding the market for us poorer musicians. best to stay behind the tech curve imho....
For sure as apple tell the followers these are now last weeks models, get rid of them they are now worthless, there will be too much shame involve if you are seen with one. Apple fined for slowing down old iPhones A good idea is don't allow users a panel to upgrade ram/hard drive/cpu make it real difficult to open same with iPhone don't allow users a panel to replace the battery we want them to "buy" a new iPhone. I use iToiletPaper now.
i dont hate apple. i just wish their pricing schemes were more friendly towards poor musicians that often struggle with very low/no budgets for gear. as to phones, my wife has a motorola hyper that was cheap. she loves it, it seems to do everything but shine ones shoes. lol. great camera on it also. does everything we ever want.
i send out lots of good wishes/mojo for a great songwriting and healthy year to all mac pg users. peace and love to all. best. muso.
I was planning to update to BIAB 2020 but I won't until this issue is solved. Notation window doesn't work. Neither the daw plugin, even with GarageBand. Do you have an idea when this thing will be solved?
Just wait until Windows 11 comes out. I'm not saying that things will stop working, but things will stop working.
Originally Posted By: Janice & Bud
We thoroughly enjoy our cloistered Apple world ... two iPhones, HomePod, Apple TV, iPad, Apple Watch, Apple Play in the vehicle and two Macs.
I resided in the PC environment from the early 80’s until 2011. And I never look back.
Just wanted to mention that we aren’t all Apple haters
Despite Apple taking away the ability for me to upgrade my Ram or replace my battery, I'm still an Apple user myself. Got a Mac Pro, Macbook Pro, iMac, and iPhone SE, and there's no way I would want to trade that for Windows and/or Android. Low latency audio simply works on Apple, where we have to jump through hoops for Windows, and I'm not paid enough to deal with that on a regular basis.
Originally Posted By: PLS
I love windows and I'm fortunate to have several at my house as they allow for natural light to shine on all my Apple equipment!
I also have some great windows! Mine are all east-facing so my Apple equipment gets a lot of morning sun!
Originally Posted By: scostudio
I was planning to update to BIAB 2020 but I won't until this issue is solved. Notation window doesn't work. Neither the daw plugin, even with GarageBand. Do you have an idea when this thing will be solved?
Regards
We are not aware of any Big Sur related issues with the DAW plugin, what issue are you having? Perhaps contact support and we should be able to get that going for you. The notation window issue is resolved now, and the patch for 2020 is available here: https://www.pgmusic.com/support_macintoshupdates.htm#2020_422
Thank you Simon and everyone at PG Music for getting us up and running on Big Sur. Now we can all quit [*****] and now I can move over to the iMac from my dual booted MacBook.
One final [*****]... I had a thought about Apple making changes constantly, I think that is the price we pay for progress and security. Just imagine wanting to stay with last years car model because it worked just fine. How many would be driving an Edsel, or a Model T? Technology is moving at lightspeed, it is hard to keep up. I used Windows machines at work in engineering, mostly graphics and spreadsheet computation. It was so nice to come home to my Macs. To be honest I finally decided to try BIAB in 2020 after writing it off for decades, the only reason I have it now is because of the lockdown, up to this point I had never had a problem with any program because of Apple updates, and BIAB is the only program I am running that was not compatible out of the gate with Big Sur. I am not saying other companies were not behind the curve, I have looked at the compatibility lists online.
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