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#642581 - 02/17/21 07:14 AM
[Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production]
Mic Positioning - How Does It Affect A Recording?
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I found a very nice 3 minutes 10 seconds +++ VIDEO +++ demonstrating how recorded sound changes based solely on microphone positioning. The device used to remotely change the mic position is called a +++ Dynamount +++ XI-R.
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#642583 - 02/17/21 07:22 AM
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Re: Mic Positioning - How Does It Affect A Recording?
[Re: Jim Fogle]
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That is some really cool & pricey tech Jim, thanks for sharing!
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#642626 - 02/17/21 11:52 AM
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Re: Mic Positioning - How Does It Affect A Recording?
[Re: Jim Fogle]
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The tech is pricey but the video is informative regarding the effect of microphone positioning on the final sound result.
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#642779 - 02/18/21 11:38 AM
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Re: Mic Positioning - How Does It Affect A Recording?
[Re: Jim Fogle]
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Excellent video! I should build my own one of these, it'd be far cheaper. Maybe not as good looking though lol.
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#642812 - 02/18/21 03:28 PM
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Re: Mic Positioning - How Does It Affect A Recording?
[Re: Jim Fogle]
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I think the Royer 122 pickup pattern is like my 121, in that the sideways position rejects sound. That's very dramatic in the video.
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#643048 - 02/20/21 05:31 AM
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Re: Mic Positioning - How Does It Affect A Recording?
[Re: Jim Fogle]
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It would be interesting to see a similar video with vocals. So I went off to look and found this - not quite the same, but valuable none the less. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vabjx8mZ6tU
Edited by lambada (02/20/21 06:01 AM)
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#643465 - 02/22/21 10:19 AM
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Re: Mic Positioning - How Does It Affect A Recording?
[Re: Jim Fogle]
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Ok, what am I missing? In the old days, we used our ears. When all is said and done, we still do.
It is an interesting piece of hardware. I can see its use on film and TV sets, certain industrial applications etc. but the concept is not new. Similar remote devices for controlling mic position have existed for decades — perhaps not as slick and inexpensive as this one. Except for being compact, it brings nothing new to the table.
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#643657 - 02/23/21 10:08 AM
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Re: Mic Positioning - How Does It Affect A Recording?
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I think the Royer 122 pickup pattern is like my 121, in that the sideways position rejects sound. That's very dramatic in the video.
Yeah, ribbon mics are almost always a figure 8 pickup pattern, with nulls at the sides (I say "almost always" because I know of at least one hypercardioid ribbon, the Beyerdynamic M160). I've never used the Royers, but the AEA ribbons I used to use were very dramatically different off axis. Been thinking of adding a pair of ribbons to my mic collection lately, still deciding which ones. I don't need them, but I definitely want them...
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#643658 - 02/23/21 10:17 AM
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Re: Mic Positioning - How Does It Affect A Recording?
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I have a Beyerdynamic 160 as well. Great mic for half the price of the Royer. Totally different polar pattern response from the Royer.
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#644093 - Yesterday at 02:56 PM
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Re: Mic Positioning - How Does It Affect A Recording?
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I have a Beyerdynamic 160 as well. Great mic for half the price of the Royer. Totally different polar pattern response from the Royer. I'd love a pair of each of those, though my pocketbook won't allow it. Interestingly, an old Shure 300 ribbon mic popped up locally, so I might pick that one up... Gear Acquisition Syndrome at it's best!
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#644104 - Yesterday at 03:55 PM
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Re: Mic Positioning - How Does It Affect A Recording?
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Unless you can afford an arsenal in your mic locker, and take the time to learn exactly how each will work, then you want to know why you want a specific mic. I’m lucky to have recorded in many studios on many mics, and I know which makes me sound the way I like.
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