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Ok so after a period of time I have accumilated 4 pre 2020 hard drives containing Band in a Box. I'm thinking of chucking them but maybe there might be an alternative use for them. I've tried to open one of the older versions to see if I could delete the BiaB program and use it as a hard drive back up somewhere but that didn't go so well for some reason.

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They are regular hard drives, nothing special. So it should be fine to delete the files and use it for whatever you want.


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Reformat is what I do. That cleans them good.


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For my $.02 they are basically worthless.
who really needs another backup drive especially with limited capacity.
I can't even give them to my friends.

I wish PG Music could come up with some alternative product delivery system.
A "smart" download perhaps that only updates what is new on your target drive.
Seems like that could be done.


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You need to find some poorer friends. A 2TB thumb drive is almost 50 dollars on Amazon. I don't know if read/write speeds are faster on old BB USB drives or not, but I use one permanently plugged in. It's larger than either of my internal drives. And I reformatted and gave one away to a local kid (middle-school age) who was very appreciative and likes it because it's harder to lose. Thanks, Peter.


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They are definitely not worthless. They can and should be re-purposed for backups, even if it's only to make a copy of the children's photo album. Don't even think of 'chucking them', create backups of all of your critical / treasured files files.

My rule: everyone will suffer a catastrophic disk failure one day. Be prepared.


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If you still plan on chucking them, send them to me wink

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I'll most likely reformat and keep them on hand for a while. I have a bunch of Mac devices and I'm sure that I could use backups for a few of them.

Thanks for the advise.


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Originally Posted By: Tangmo
A 2TB thumb drive is almost 50 dollars on Amazon.


A 50-dollar 2tb flash drive is likely a fake - scammers modify the drive's table of contents so that it looks bigger than it is, but it won't actually store 2tb of data. "Real" 2tb flash drives cost hundreds if not thousands more.


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They are definitely not worthless. They can and should be re-purposed for backups, even if it's only to make a copy of the children's photo album. Don't even think of 'chucking them', create backups of all of your critical / treasured files files.

My rule: everyone will suffer a catastrophic disk failure one day. Be prepared.


I was taught in college that, as a professional, if you don't have 5 copies of your file you don't have any. Backup backup backup!


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I had not thought about reformatting them and using them as backup drives.... I have a bunch of them. I think I just found my new source of free SSD backup drives.


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Originally Posted By: Guitarhacker
I had not thought about reformatting them and using them as backup drives.... I have a bunch of them. I think I just found my new source of free SSD backup drives.


We don't use SSD's in our drives, so if they came from us they're probably normal 2.5" hard drives. Still useful, of course.


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Originally Posted By: Simon - PG Music
I was taught in college that, as a professional, if you don't have 5 copies of your file you don't have any. Backup backup backup!
Not quite in college - that was 50 years ago - but since then I taught my students in college something much the same. As important as how many you make, though, is where they are. Keep a copy off-site. Maybe one in the car etc. And especially not all connected to the same PC at the same time. But you knew that.


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Reading this thread for some reason or other (maybe its because hackers hit the whole health system here)

https://www.reuters.com/technology/irish-health-service-hit-by-ransomware-attack-vaccine-rollout-unaffected-2021-05-14/

The thought crossed my mind that sooner or later that is going to happen to someone with biab and the whole bb folder will be encrypted.

Yep using them as backup drives for only biab is also a good idea.


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Originally Posted By: Simon - PG Music
I was taught in college that, as a professional, if you don't have 5 copies of your file you don't have any. Backup backup backup!
Not quite in college - that was 50 years ago - but since then I taught my students in college something much the same. As important as how many you make, though, is where they are. Keep a copy off-site. Maybe one in the car etc. And especially not all connected to the same PC at the same time. But you knew that.


Absolutely! Where they are is probably more important than how many. If your house floods, and your computer and all your backup hard drives are ruined by the water, how many backups do you have left?

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Reading this thread for some reason or other (maybe its because hackers hit the whole health system here)

https://www.reuters.com/technology/irish-health-service-hit-by-ransomware-attack-vaccine-rollout-unaffected-2021-05-14/

The thought crossed my mind that sooner or later that is going to happen to someone with biab and the whole bb folder will be encrypted.

Yep using them as backup drives for only biab is also a good idea.


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At any one time we are running multi-terrabyte backups to a minimum of 6 separate incremental disks and separately the same number of imaged disks.

At least three of each of them are always stored off site, all in different locations, and all continually updated - with the offsite copies both verified and rotated.

As a programmer and developer with software that has involved more years than I wish to mention, and several millions of lines of code, I can't start again.

Years ago, a friend placed all of the photos of her baby on her computer hard drive - from the time he was born until he was about two years old. 'All the eggs in one basket'. The hard drive had a head-crash and the platters were destroyed and unrecoverable.

Whatever you do, backup, you need to. My motto: 'Be prepared - everyone will have a turn'


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A friend of mine had one of those Tascam recorders with the internal hard drive. He used it for years.

A little over a year ago, the hard drive crashed hard.

Not sure if he was able to recover any of the data or not.

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Everyone should know this by now.

There are 2 kinds of computer users:

1) Those who have had a hard drive crash

2) Those who haven't had a hard drive crash yet

If you don't want to lose your data, back it up.

Apps can be replaced, data cannot.

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Like the outdated minimal capacity spinning hard drives many of us longtime BIAB users have stacked in the closet, the backup approaches suggested by some on this thread seem so totally last century.

There is a better way.

First and foremost ditch any spinning drives. They are dinosaurs. Give them to relatives you hate and sell them on your existing backup stratedgerie.

Cloud Backup and perhaps an additional quarterly local snapshot on some SSD gives you all you really need to feel comfortable. Do it more often if you don't trust the cloud. Big brother is really watching, especially if you've given him reason.
Trust, but verify. And do it on SSD.

If you really have TB's worth of you are far from the average user, even a music user.
In which case you need a real backup system and the BIAB drives are pretty much useless.

More likely you probably have a poorly managed file system with your user data strewn over every application folder on the drive. That is your fault and not really corrected by a bunch of tiny hard drives. Clean that mess up and it all fits nicely on an SSD.

I know many of us (Myself included) are aging tech people but there's no reason we need antiquated hardware coupled with outdated methods to preserve our most precious data.

As always do what you want. For now, Its a free country.


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I can sort of see some of the point you are making, but this one:
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In which case you need a real backup system and the BIAB drives are pretty much useless.

There are many disk based backup systems available, but I wonder could you explain why BIAB drives are pretty much useless? Are they not capable of being used for backup purposes? Why would that be?


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capacity.

if you need multiple TB you dont get that from a biab drive


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