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#660544 - 06/15/21 06:22 AM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] LINUX!!!
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Posts for BIAB in Linux go back over more than a decade.

We can understand that porting might be difficult. They likely tied themselves to some windows API and microsoft C++, and now they feel stuck.

Even so, PGmusic could at least include a Wine environment in their test suite.

Long term, I would suggest migrating to a Qt based API and standard C++. You can easily abstract and isolate the few os specific things in a small number of conditionals.

It is not as big a job as it might seem at first take and the benefits are obvious.

Python would take about 1/5 the time of doing it even that way. But I don't expect you do that for something you want to keep proprietary,




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#660561 - 06/15/21 07:17 AM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: LINUX!!! [Re: drm]
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I would suggest migrating to a Qt based API and standard C++. You can easily abstract and isolate the few os specific things in a small number of conditionals.

It is not as big a job as it might seem at first take and the benefits are obvious.

Definitely appreciate your ambition and don't wish to jump on that, but given your statement, I wasn't so sure that this would be so straightforward. Do you have some inside information? Can you give some insights as to how this could be so easily achieved?
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#663020 - 07/06/21 01:08 AM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: LINUX!!! [Re: drm]
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It's running good natively on Linux in wine after first trying in VirtualBox, it's near as quick as on Windows.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/3y2wjiuxn8t0tov/Biab-Ubuntu-Crossover.mp4?dl=0
The 2 issues are still unresolved,
1. Windows Media Player to play demos (this has been a nightmare trying to get it integrated)
2. CoyoteDXi needed to render in the BBPlugin

I don't know if the Coyote uses the gm.dls but if I load windows\system32\drivers\gm.dls into VstSynthFont it works.

They are the 2 issues that need resolving for Linux users.
The wmp can be fixed by adding an internal Delphi player into bbw/bbw4 like http://www.geocities.ws/jovi9200/

The Coyote issue preventing bbw4 to render can be fixed by getting bbw4 to use a soundfont without the DXi.

Copying the wmpXXXX.dll's from windows\system32 to wine windows\system32 and registering them gives the wmp demo buttons in the picker windows, it don't play but it prevents errors when opening the picker windows.

The sync playback is in-sync with the track in the DAW.

If anyone has a solution for these issues please post.

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Got the current version Plugin running now, in Reaper it's using LinVst .

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#663063 - 07/06/21 08:55 AM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: LINUX!!! [Re: drm]
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To clarify, do you mean the main Band-in-a-Box for Windows program or the Band-in-a-Box for Windows VST plugin works in Linux in Wine? Your screen shots appear to be using the Band-in-a-Box for Windows VST plugin.
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#663095 - 07/06/21 03:30 PM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: LINUX!!! [Re: Jim Fogle]
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#675944 - 10/02/21 07:44 AM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: LINUX!!! [Re: drm]
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I've been meaning to try this for some time, but other stuff has been getting in the way.

I've just installed my go-to music Linux(AVL-MXE) on my home-office PC, swapped out LinVst for yabridge, set up wine, installed qsynth and the sound fonts from JJazzLab and installed BIAB. I've also installed the trial versions of EZBass, EZDrums and EZKeys from Toontrack.

I installed BIAB (presently the build-838 download copy, not yet activated), with a couple of complaints from it, but a mostly successful install AFAICS.

Started jack and qsynth.

Started BIAB(64). It complains "can't find sound font file GM.DLS" (I've see something somewhere about that)
Tried a few MIDI output options until one worked. Set up a simple 12-bar blues with the default style and hit play.
It plays! Sounds good, CPU load about 16% on this rather old i7.

So far, so good.

At the moment it baulks (unhandled exception) when I try to "browse styles with info", so I have a problem there. That may be an install fail, or related to the Windows Media Player issues pipeline mentions as I haven't yet installed WMP. VCL media player plays the demo .wma files just fine, but that may not help BIAB demoing. I'll start with the update to 842 and see where I go from there.
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#675987 - 10/02/21 02:31 PM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: LINUX!!! [Re: Gordon Scott]
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Yes the yabridge is better as it has the drag n drop working now so it will drag wav mid out of the BBPlugin into the DAW.
When you go to Generate in the BBPlugin it stops as bbw4 gets an error can't find CoyoteDXi
BBOutput.txt (to get the trace in SavedTracks you need to have a txt file "PreserveAllFiles.txt" in \bb\BBPlugin)
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;Error #-29, CoyoteWT Wavetable synth not installed. Cannot render file. Please install it, by running menu Help-Install CoyoteWT inside Band-in-a-Box.

Hopefully PG will add an internal wma demo player and fix the bbw4 so it's not looking for CoyoteDXi.


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#676410 - 10/05/21 06:15 AM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: LINUX!!! [Re: drm]
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At least part of my BiaB on Wine not working properly is a missing GM.DLL on my system, which winetricks presently fails to install due to a checksum mismatch. Maybe that's a temporary issue. I'm not so sure that the whole problem as when trying to open the "styles with info" I get a different type of error report.

I'm running the 64-bit Wine, which may be a contributory factor. All the Toontrack stuff I've tried so far seems to work very well, though it's still early yet and there are several areas I've yet to try.

Edit: Scaler2 also seems to work just fine.


Edited by Gordon Scott (10/05/21 12:12 PM)
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#676508 - 10/05/21 04:50 PM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: LINUX!!! [Re: Gordon Scott]
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In the Biab wine folder put these in the Windows\System32

https://www.dropbox.com/s/qx9k87ybh4dyudl/wmp-dll.zip?dl=1

these will give the play demo buttons that won't work but will allow the Style Picker to open.
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#676592 - 10/06/21 10:18 AM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: LINUX!!! [Re: Pipeline]
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In the Biab wine folder put these in the Windows\System32
Ah, OK. I actually did a Biab-64 install, so I guess I may have either to revert to 32-bit or find the equivalent 64-bit versions.


I'll simply try as you say first, but expect to be disappointed.
I have the list of files, so I'll try a few things.

Thanks pipeline.

Edit: Ah ... actually they may be 64-bit-compatible versions and I believe I may just copy wmp.dll (or maybe all files) to syswow64.

With just the above, StylePicker opens OK, uses MIDI styles OK but doesn't presently use RealStyles. I'll play around some more.



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#676612 - 10/06/21 01:48 PM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: LINUX!!! [Re: Gordon Scott]
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I was using Crossover but the demo has ended so I open the wine 64bit install and it got the same error so I copied the wmp dll's from crossover and the Style picker opened, this is the same for the other picker windows, anything with the integrated window media player.
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#676613 - 10/06/21 01:57 PM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: LINUX!!! [Re: Pipeline]
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I am using the Audiophile wav version, I don't think the wma worked as again it needs the window media decoder to decode the wma to wav for Biab to use.
There is a decompress.exe or decompress.zip in one of the bb folders, though there should be a button in the pickers to decompress the wma RT RD to wav.
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#676629 - 10/06/21 03:06 PM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: LINUX!!! [Re: drm]
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I've read elsewhere that converting the .wma files to .wav files solves some propblem like that. I may just try a few and see what happens.

The 32-bit version does pick RealStyles, though didn't actually play them. The latter may be simply that it didn't offer wineasio, so maybe I don't have that installed.

If I get back to this tomorrow, I'll check for a wineasio and I'll try installing the rest of the wmp.dll file set into syswow64.

I still have that GM.DLS checksum mismatch. I'll just try that periodically for now to see if it gets fixed, otherwise I'll get more proactive with it.


Edited by Gordon Scott (10/08/21 04:32 AM)
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#676640 - 10/06/21 03:39 PM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: LINUX!!! [Re: Gordon Scott]
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Do one RealTrack folder and one RealDrum folder then just generate those two tracks.
I think I set VstSynthFont as the default midi device.
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#676920 - 10/08/21 02:11 PM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: LINUX!!! [Re: drm]
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I tried converting one RealTrack folder, using ffmpeg in a script and copying the wma file to .wma.bk. BiaB then complained that it couldn't find the .wma files, so perhaps the ability to use .wav is special to the audiophile edition. I restored the .wma files, it found them again, but of course still can't/won't play them. I may have hit a dead end with that for now.

I've done only a minimal installation at the moment. I may install more and see how the MIDI SuperTracks behave.

Ordinary MIDI playing through qsynth with the JJazzLab sound font sounds quite good, though I haven't yet tried any brass and brass is usually a disappointment via MIDI.
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#676928 - 10/08/21 02:47 PM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: LINUX!!! [Re: Gordon Scott]
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in the RealTracks folder root create an empty txt file "AudiophileVersion.txt"

I think you can run Decompress.exe in the instrument folder and it should just decompress that folder.
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#677053 - 10/09/21 10:46 AM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: LINUX!!! [Re: drm]
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I don't have a compress.exe or a decompress.exe in my bb paths.

It does occur to me that the reason my use of ffmpeg to decompress didn't work out is because I imagine all the files ending .bt0 contain index data into the related .wma files. I suspect decompress.exe also generates the matching .bt0 files, or their equivalents.

It seems also that when trying to demo some RealTracks, BiaB is going to the pgmusic website and using a .wma from there, which again, of course, doesn't play.

I seem to be having some general issue with winetricks and checksums, which may well be complicating the whole thing, so I'll ask on the MX-Linux site for advice.
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#677074 - 10/09/21 01:18 PM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: LINUX!!! [Re: Gordon Scott]
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Try this in their respective folders.
remove the .mp4


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#677210 - 10/10/21 10:52 AM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: LINUX!!! [Re: drm]
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I think that does exactly the same as ffmpeg did. I did the decompress, tried it, then renamed the .wma files as .wma.bk and tried again. At present, still the same.

I wondered for a while if the problem was with audio output, not BiaB's handling of the RealTrack files, but opening one of the .wav file into an audio track demonstrated that those are playable.

Whenever I try to run even a solo track with one of the .wav instruments, I get a bunch of those Yellow pop-up windows in the bottom-right corner. Too many to read and and I can't presently find a log of what they say, not get rem reliably, nor copy and paste the content ... frustrating. One of them says something like RAcG.ST2 file couldn't be found, and/or the .wma file couldn't be found either on this machine, or on the pgmusic demos server.

.ST2 files seem to be in bb/Soloists and it's correct that that file doesn't exist there. As they seem to contain data about the soloists, maybe the file missing is of no consequence.

If I right-click a musician in the mixer window and click Select Real Tracks, I'm offered a list, but the one I've chosen says "N/A" and the next time is not displayed (If have the show-NA checkbox unchecked). Trying a "Rebuild and Fix" tries to do something but complains that the .ST2 and .XT2 files are missing. It says to either find them and copy them into bb/Soloists, or reinstall BiaB.

I haven't yet registered this copy as I'd like to get it reasonably working before I do that. AFAIAA there's nothing from the Pro version that's disabled prior to registration, so I think that is not the problem.
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#677220 - 10/10/21 01:25 PM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: LINUX!!! [Re: Gordon Scott]
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So you have the "AudiophileVersion.txt", you don't need to rename the .wma just leave them and it should choose .wav
Did you run the installer or copy the bb folder from win drive ?
You can try and copy the bb folder directly from the Windows machine.
You can hit the printscreen button to read the yellow flash popups or
C:\bb\Data\bbw4_64exe_FlashMessageLog.txt
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