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Here is a link to a CD by Tab Benoit. The first few seconds of the first song is a B3 intro solo by Paul English. Does anyone know if there is anything like this that exist in BIAB? https://youtu.be/ovYi2ptyWsIBilly
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There's a couple of dozen "Organ, B3 ..." RealTracks.
Did you try those?
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Hi Billy, if you are looking to play the B3 parts a really good B3 emulation can be found with the B5 Organ: https://www.acousticsamples.net/B5It plays via the free UVI Workstation. The B5 organ has a number of preset plus drawbars and the like so you could obtain any B3 sound. Plus it comes with a Leslie emulation that you control via the mod wheel. {edit} I forgot to add that it goes for $109 USB.
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Hi Guys,
I have listen to many of the B3 real tracks. There does not seem to be much in the way of solo tracks.
Mario, thanks, I looked at the B5 and it sounds pretty good.
I have a friend with a real B3. I think I will just go to his place and record a few tracks.
Thanks,
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That's a very tasty organ intro, Mike Ledonne could do a perfect job of this as a Real Track but then what else could you use it for except for this? Also, you may have noticed the B3 tracks don't transpose or tempo change well and that's because of the built in C3 chorus on the Hammond and/or the Leslie. Change tempo and those two suddenly sound like crap. I had suggested years ago that they should do DI tracks for organ like they do for guitar for people who want to control the Leslie after the fact with a plugin or hardware like the Ventilator pedal. If your friend is that good then that's your best bet, let him do it.
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Checked out the organ MST’s?
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Hi Guys,
There is no end to the issues with a B3. The gig is always on the second floor...lol
B3 is it's own animal and takes a lot of skill and untold number of hours to master.
Dragging a B3 around is kinda related to "iron men and wooden ships" ...lol
I like to use Ribbon mics for recording B3. I have used various Royer and Rode mics in the past. I always wanted to use a Telefunken but never knew anyone who had one. They cost big bucks. If you have a really tight budget pretty good results can be had with a SM57. The room you are recording has a huge effect on B3 recordings. Actually, I am not sure if I ever listen to a B3 recording that sounded exactly like being in the room.
There are a lot of background B3 real tracks but I have not found anything that was supposed to be a real solo. Real Tracks will give you a good idea of how difficult it is to record B3. There are some good real tracks in BIAB but there are a lot that are just unusable.
I was not looking to try to duplicate the song in question, just the style of the solo.
Thanks for all the feedback.
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B3 Soloist RTs has been on the style wish list for 3 years. Yet, no luck so far.
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For recording you're far better off using a good clone like the new Hammond plugin from IKM that includes their killer Leslie. I have the Hammond SK1 and the Crumar Mojo, both excellent hardware clones. That way you simply go direct into the board and after that it's all post production. No mics, no schlepping and you get a recording that's virtually identical to the real thing. The magic with a B3/Leslie is physically being in the room with it hearing that Leslie throwing the sound all over the place, once it's recorded that magic is lost.
As for B3 solo RT's, there are a few but the problem is everybody has all these iconic B3 solos in their heads like Greg Rollie with Santana. Those are very melodic solo's with certain hooks in them. I spent weeks getting them down perfectly back in the day. Green Eyed Lady is another one. Very iconic solo. I could do those as an RT for example but they would only be good for Santana and Sugarloaf. I've thought about this a lot and I know I would completely mess it up because of different chords people might want to use. Lots of these solos have phrases in them that carry from one bar to the next and a lot of that Biab will chop up in weird ways. How many times have we heard a piano RT that sounds great until suddenly at a chord change it changes octave right in the middle of a cool phrase? That's just a limitation of the software we all have to live with.
All this stuff would make it very difficult to use a solo designed for one song to work well in another song or set of changes. Just one example, the big smears B3 players all love to do. I'll do a big dramatic one bar palm smear to the same chord or, I may do that from the prior chord to start the solo with a bang. Very flashy and it gets peoples attention. Use that track with another set of changes though and that big flashy palm smear sounds like complete crap, because Biab will cut that smear off right at the end of the bar and start over at the next bar. Won't work. You'll be wondering what I've been smoking.
RT's are designed to be used with lots of different styles and chords meaning if I were to try this I would have to keep things bland and generic which takes all the life out of it and I don't think it would sound that great which is probably what PG has heard from B3 players they've asked about this.
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The B3 player would have train themselves to end the 'smear' before the 'one' of the next bar. The closer the better for a RealTrack.
I'm not convinced it can't be done, though it may not be easy.
To me the bigger complication is the B3/Leslie sound would have to have some kind of control, otherwise the Leslie cycle will be noticeable one paste after the other.. at least I think that's where the bigger challenge lies as far as RTs.
/that and B3 players have their own sense of timing sometimes (because it doesn't sound right if it doesn't push/lay back type of thing).
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When I first got BIAB with B3 RT's I thought that would be super cool. It just did not work out for me. Some things were usable and some sounded really bad. I can get better sounds out of my old Technics SX PR603. Digital draw bars are not the best solution.
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Or buy a Nord Electro 6!!! Or even a 5. I have a 4 with real pull out drawbars instead of the electronic ones and the B3 with the Hammond simulation engaged is fantastic.
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The B3 player would have train themselves to end the 'smear' before the 'one' of the next bar. The closer the better for a RealTrack.
I'm not convinced it can't be done, though it may not be easy.
To me the bigger complication is the B3/Leslie sound would have to have some kind of control, otherwise the Leslie cycle will be noticeable one paste after the other.. at least I think that's where the bigger challenge lies as far as RTs.
/that and B3 players have their own sense of timing sometimes (because it doesn't sound right if it doesn't push/lay back type of thing). Yep, all those things. I think it can be done but it would be a lot of work. I could play a smear for example very close to the next bar and fine tune it in a wave editor. The Leslie is trickier which is why I've suggested they redo some of the organ RT's dry like the guitar DI tracks. Then you can use some of the excellent Leslie plugins however you want later. The one thing that there is no plugin for (yet?) is a chorus/vibrato. Lots of guitar plugs for that but the Hammond C/V is created by a mechanical scanner and is unique to a Hammond. The C/V is critical to some of the B3 sounds. That classic Hammond/Leslie sound that old man Laurens just hated is a very unique beast. Bob
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