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#666448 - 07/31/21 03:19 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Biab 2021 [Re: beatmaster]
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pipeline..............You don't have to pay that if you don't like the tracks offered !!!.

Exactly the point of my post !! I choose not too !!


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#666449 - 07/31/21 03:26 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Biab 2021 [Re: beatmaster]
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ALL.
ive pondered this thread quite a bit.
1. yes i feel if one is spending just under 600 buks...then one should expect a LOT..BUT..
2. i feel the under 100 buck (on a usb stick) option is one heck of a deal. cos one could still do a ton of songs with this option. because realband, a great daw is given free with biab.
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personally i'm waiting for 2022..and IF i find no great compelling reason to upgrade my 2020 ultrapak with
a 2022 ultrapak ; then the under 100 buk option i'll prolly go for. because i'm getting more and more into mario's great idea of augmenting with free // low money orch lib s.

haveing said that if pg included with biab/rb all norton style disks (via a deal with norton possibly..) and all biab styles n a zillion RT's and midi supertraks plus a full blown orch lib to rival the expensive orch libs that the big boyz use that cost thousands , and it cost 1k TOTAL.... for everything but the kitchen sink...lol..i would definitely be tempted.

because i simply cant afford thousands and thousands for all the top orch libs. my wife and i like to eat..lol.
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#666451 - 07/31/21 03:35 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Biab 2021 [Re: beatmaster]
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L.O.L. Oldmuso its no secret that I too have a love for Midi , your post (via a deal with norton possibly..) , well i would feel there is at least something there to make my upgrade worth while .

This is my take if Biab was too do the changes some folk request and it has too get more expensive then yea a can/will pay a bit more ""


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#666461 - 07/31/21 04:12 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Biab 2021 [Re: beatmaster]
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I have not read through all this thread but yes there's loops and Virtual Instrument as mentioned that can be made into UserTracks or use direct.
How easy is this now with Midi Chord Track Drag Export.
Just drag any RealChart it into the Piano Roll, select just the Chord Track Channel, load you Virtual Instrument in that will follow this, draw the midi pattern change notes or program change in where you want the pattern to change or drag n drop any other midi patterns in like MusicLab's RealGuitars.


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#666464 - 07/31/21 04:24 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Biab 2021 [Re: beatmaster]
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Pipeline.. I've always been in awe of your wisdom and skills you don't even know you possess.

I wish I had half of it, your posts are inspirational keep them coming as you are the jewel in the crown on this forum .

I am quite computer savvy but some of what you do/ develop should/could be implemented in too Biab as has been mentioned numerous times on this forum !!.

So Why then has PG Music not been in touch to do this !!.

Another mystery why they turn their back on progress and the future !! beats me !!.
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#666469 - 07/31/21 04:49 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Biab 2021 [Re: beatmaster]
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How did we get from wanting fresh artists contributing live samples to loops created with no real instruments?

I would be happy if they just made the drum parts individual tracks by default so if I don't like the snare I can replace it with a different snare. Those complied drum tracks leave no flexibility at all. I would imagine there is some way to extract the drum parts to tracks but I am not going to back to college to learn how. Just make it an selectable option to compile the drums or use individual tracks.
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#666473 - 07/31/21 04:52 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Biab 2021 [Re: beatmaster]
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Agree ! Eddie so Pipelines magic should be what we pay for not what we should learn, if so a think we should pay him !!
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#666478 - 07/31/21 05:33 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Biab 2021 [Re: eddie1261]
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I would be happy if they just made the drum parts individual tracks by default so if I don't like the snare I can replace it with a different snare.
You are lucky I'm here......

But until that happens you can use Live MultiTrack Drums complete/Loops and just change any drum/cymbal to what you want with a drum replacement VST, you have lots of tracks now.
If you look at the UJAM Virtual Instruments they are real session musos playing the sections, they also have a sample set of the instrument that you can use midi to add any custom riffs for drums or instruments.
I suggested to PG to have a sample set of the Real Instruments/Drums to add any custom riffs. I did make some sample sets for Oliver's guitar in the User forum.
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#666485 - 07/31/21 06:23 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Biab 2021 [Re: beatmaster]
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Eddie,

Try running your stereo drum track audio through +++ THIS +++ online application called EZ Stems.

There is a standalone service too but I didn't link to it since it is still in Beta.
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#666489 - 07/31/21 06:59 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Biab 2021 [Re: Pipeline]
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Pipeline, I want the drum tracks that Real Band creates. Just not the voices that it uses. To load outside loops and such isn't going to be the drums that align with the song. Live MultiTrack Drums? UJAM? What am I not understanding here?
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#666490 - 07/31/21 07:00 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Biab 2021 [Re: Jim Fogle]
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Jim, that link doesn't work. I select a track to upload and it doesn't even populate the track name box.
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#666495 - 07/31/21 08:19 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Biab 2021 [Re: eddie1261]
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Pipeline, I want the drum tracks that Real Band creates. Just not the voices that it uses. To load outside loops and such isn't going to be the drums that align with the song. Live MultiTrack Drums? UJAM? What am I not understanding here?

Can you use the RealDrumChart with the voices you like ?

You can drop Multichannel drums into RealBand but it is so much easier in Reaper to match tempo and cut, copy sections around, crossfade sections and replace the voices.
The UJAM drums you can use the prerecorded sections as well as your own midi patterns/riffs.
The UJAM Guitars will follow the BB Midi Chord Track shown above, and same as drums your own midi.
https://www.ujam.com/drummer/solid/



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#666519 - 08/01/21 06:06 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Biab 2021 [Re: beatmaster]
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Can we back up a few steps here and address my initial question?

Is there a button on Real Band that will take that compiled drum track that Real Band generated and split every part onto its own track? Let's just address that one question for right now. Check these pics out.

Here's the track screen. I click track 1 and then ctl A to select the data on the track.



From there the logical choice is MIDI and then SPLIT MIDI DRUMS.



Which gives me this result.



And then this after I okay the error message.



That is the main question I am asking. Is there a way to disassemble the Real Band generated drums so each of the components is on its own track. That will allow me to replace the kick, or the snare, or whatever. I have the VST I want to use for the replacement sounds and I know how to assign voices to tracks. The problem is that the drums are compiled and I have tried a lot of things to separate the drums onto individual tracks. This HAS to be possible.

You said that one of those things you showed will "follow" the Real Band song and play drums. I don't understand how that VST knows the drum feel I want to play.

I guess at the root is whether or not what RB generates are truly MIDI drums or not.


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#666535 - 08/01/21 07:25 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Biab 2021 [Re: eddie1261]
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Sorry I would of been here sooner but I had to use RealBand.
I opened RealBand64 (6) and set it to Also Generate RealChart, BUT it won't to do that for the Drum track, I had a crash, when I restarted RealBand I thought I would load the crashed session back so I so I clicked Ok BUT that was return to factory settings dialog, so that stuffed things up !!!
I don't NAG about RealBand bugs anymore as I use Reaper, so you will need to report the BUG that's it's not Generating the RealDrumChart.
So you can drag the drums and chart in from the BBPlugin or Biab, this will give you the midi drum track for that drum style.



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#666557 - 08/01/21 10:11 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Biab 2021 [Re: beatmaster]
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Here is a picture of what I want to do. I want an option to extract every component of the generated drum track and put it on it's own track. Like this. Then I can say "That kick sucks. Let me put in this kick or that snare." Will Real Band do that or not? If it doesn't, then it doesn't, though it should. I still don't know if what Real Band creates as drums are MIDI or audio. Appearance says it's audio. But this is what I want it to do.



and so forth.

Pipeline, I know you are trying hard to show me options but nothing will give me this result.

I like using this



or this



for drums, but short of sitting here tapping every note in and trying to do it it time, I have no way to do that.


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#666560 - 08/01/21 10:43 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Biab 2021 [Re: beatmaster]
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Good questions Eddie. If I had to answer this I would say BIAB or RB drums have never had kit components on separate midi tracks. But then I never really understood what all this RealChart stuff, which was introduced as a new feature in BIAB 2019.

As a result I have always made my midi drums in either EZDrummer 2 or JamStix which does permit you to change the sounds for any drum kit components.

Lets see if we can get a clear answer. Good luck. grin
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#666563 - 08/01/21 11:08 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Biab 2021 [Re: eddie1261]
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Eddie, the basic solution to your dilemma is to generate MIDI drums to begin with
Then you can use RBs 'Split drum tracks' feature and get each drum on their own track

Then you can send any track to whatever synth you want. Snare from Synth A, bass drum from Synth B etc
Or send them all to any single synth
Once they are Audio (Realdrums) it becomes much more complicated, so while it may be *possible, your results will likely be less than desired and a whole lot more work

If you make them MIDI drums to begin with it becomes a whole lot easier


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#666570 - 08/01/21 11:53 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Biab 2021 [Re: eddie1261]
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Eddie, Are you uploading a stereo wave file? Is it a long file? I believe the length limit is 2 minutes. The site states any audio file but I've only tried the site with wave files.

The splitting is done in the cloud. Once a file is uploaded it is placed in a que. It may take hours before you get results.
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#666571 - 08/01/21 12:26 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Biab 2021 [Re: beatmaster]
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Eddie,
I have no personal experience with any of the following but knowing you don't use BIAB, I'm reasonably sure you're unaware of these tools in BIAB. Just putting this out there so if nothing comes to fruition in your quest, these BIAB tools may work for you. They also may be available in RealBand. Again, I've not used these tools so I don't know.

The first photo shows that BIAB can create Real MultiDrum kits. There's also some PG Music designed Multi Kits you could load and study to see if they will do the job for you. As you see, they can use RealDrums, loops, and UserTracks. It appears to me you can use a Kick from one style, the snare from another and a loop for your hi-hat. You can also create totally custom sounds by creating your own loops or UserTrack either live or from a DAW and VST.

In the second photo, you'll see that BIAB offers a Drum Kit that is similar to the ones you posted earlier. The third photo is the tool window to customize a midi file from any style BIAB recognizes. That includes third party styles like Norton BIAB styles as well as any custom Midi style you create. Styles can be created from scratch, any Midi song file or by modifying existing styles. That's an endless supply of material to work with. In other words, you should be able to use any drum sound, drum beat or drum kit you can get in your possession.

The last photo seems to indicate that a BIAB project can save a Midi drum kit on separate tracks. Since all of the RealDrums now have charts, this window could possibly provide you the capability to use the Drums RealCharts on separate tracks and modify the Midi data and change patches.

Just letting you know these tools are in BIAB if not also in RB.





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#666588 - 08/01/21 02:22 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Biab 2021 [Re: eddie1261]
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