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#669737 - 08/23/21 02:21 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Band-in-a-Box works great in Windows 11! [Re: Pipeline]
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Originally Posted By: Matt Finley
Originally Posted By: Simon - PG Music

I think they're saving that for when they drop Windows 13 next year. No Windows 12, just straight on to 13 for good luck. crazy

Sorry, but FAQ #207 forbids computer humor on this site.

There's an exception to that rule, specifically in cases where the post is made by someone who's name starts with S and ends with Imon.


Originally Posted By: Pipeline
"from my technical support standpoint we suggest not upgrading to Windows 11 unless your hardware supports it, as there could be many unforeseen issues that could prevent BIAB and other audio apps from working properly."
Then you simply plug the Win10 cloned drive back in same as you would do on Mac when things don't work anymore and companies are taking ages to make the app compatible with this week's new OS.

Exactly the same as I would do with a Mac, for sure. Most users don't know how to clone their hard drive though - which is definitely something they should learn before installing any OS upgrade!
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#671310 - 09/03/21 04:41 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Band-in-a-Box works great in Windows 11! [Re: Simon - PG Music]
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Well here's the thing - I have an older PC that works great on Win10 but I'm thinking that it won't run Win11. Thus my last BIAB will probably be in 2025 when microshaft does just that and stops support of 10.
Question for computer guys - if I DL Win11 and it won't work nicely like in Simon's video, can I backtrack to my Win10??
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#671315 - 09/03/21 06:03 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Band-in-a-Box works great in Windows 11! [Re: sixchannel]
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Originally Posted By: sixchannel
Well here's the thing - I have an older PC that works great on Win10 but I'm thinking that it won't run Win11. Thus my last BIAB will probably be in 2025 when microshaft does just that and stops support of 10.
Question for computer guys - if I DL Win11 and it won't work nicely like in Simon's video, can I backtrack to my Win10??
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Well the current news is Microsoft is easing the restrictions on what will run Windows 11, with the release starting on October 5th and rolled out in waves such as they did with 10. So not all the computers on the planet crash at once if something bad happens.
See above about cloning etc. I would do a little research about how to preserve a WIN 10 installation so you can go back. I would imagine it is possible. May have to be a new clean install, all depends on how you approach it and prepare for it. Just don't forget all the stuff you have installed and have everything ready for re-install etc. as required.

I get the hate for Microsoft with the shaft comment, but this release will be free as well so not too shafty.


Edited by etcjoe (09/03/21 06:04 AM)
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#671326 - 09/03/21 06:46 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Band-in-a-Box works great in Windows 11! [Re: sixchannel]
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Originally Posted By: sixchannel
Well here's the thing - I have an older PC that works great on Win10 but I'm thinking that it won't run Win11. Thus my last BIAB will probably be in 2025 when microshaft does just that and stops support of 10.
Question for computer guys - if I DL Win11 and it won't work nicely like in Simon's video, can I backtrack to my Win10??
Bests
Ian


Yes. DL Macrium Reflex https://www.macrium.com/reflectfree

The free version will clone your drive perfectly. I tested it. It is so good I did purchase the next version, however the free version works indefinitely and updates are frequent.

You would also need an external HD and a USB to SATA converter:

https://www.amazon.com/usb-hard-drive-adapter-Electronics/s?k=usb+to+hard+drive+adapter&rh=n%3A172282

Just keep your cloned HD unplugged from your computer and in a safe place.

IMHO everyone should have these items and clone their C drives frequently or at least just prior to making major changes.
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#671381 - 09/03/21 12:23 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Band-in-a-Box works great in Windows 11! [Re: Simon - PG Music]
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Thank ye kindly.
I feel a bit less twitchy about it now.
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#671426 - 09/03/21 04:38 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Band-in-a-Box works great in Windows 11! [Re: Simon - PG Music]
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Originally Posted By: sixchannel
Well here's the thing - I have an older PC that works great on Win10 but I'm thinking that it won't run Win11. Thus my last BIAB will probably be in 2025 when microshaft does just that and stops support of 10.
Question for computer guys - if I DL Win11 and it won't work nicely like in Simon's video, can I backtrack to my Win10??
Bests
Ian

Don't worry too much - we'll probably continue to support Windows 10 for quite a while. I mean, we supported Windows XP up to 2020 and still support back to Vista...

It's theoretically possible to "Uninstall" Windows 11, provided you install Win11 as an "upgrade" - however, on the computer I was testing BIAB with Win11 on I was not able to get the upgrade to work at all - I ended up having to format the drive (and still had some difficulty after that), so if you have to go the route I went you'd better have a backup!

Easiest way to do it - remove your current hard drive, buy another hard drive/SSD (they're practically pennies now), and install Win11 on that. If you need to go back to 10, just swap the drives.


Originally Posted By: etcjoe
Well the current news is Microsoft is easing the restrictions on what will run Windows 11, with the release starting on October 5th and rolled out in waves such as they did with 10. So not all the computers on the planet crash at once if something bad happens.
See above about cloning etc. I would do a little research about how to preserve a WIN 10 installation so you can go back. I would imagine it is possible. May have to be a new clean install, all depends on how you approach it and prepare for it. Just don't forget all the stuff you have installed and have everything ready for re-install etc. as required.

I get the hate for Microsoft with the shaft comment, but this release will be free as well so not too shafty.

Yeah, I admit there's not much we can complain about for a free upgrade.
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#671485 - 09/04/21 05:04 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Band-in-a-Box works great in Windows 11! [Re: sixchannel]
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It's still a little early and things still need some coaxing to work cleanly, but BiaB is getting closer and closer to running out-of-the-box on Linux. It'll be worth keeping an eye on it as an alternative to going to Win 11.
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#671488 - 09/04/21 05:24 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Band-in-a-Box works great in Windows 11! [Re: Simon - PG Music]
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Originally Posted By: Simon - PG Music
Originally Posted By: sixchannel
Well here's the thing - I have an older PC that works great on Win10 but I'm thinking that it won't run Win11. Thus my last BIAB will probably be in 2025 when microshaft does just that and stops support of 10.
Question for computer guys - if I DL Win11 and it won't work nicely like in Simon's video, can I backtrack to my Win10??
Bests
Ian

Don't worry too much - we'll probably continue to support Windows 10 for quite a while. I mean, we supported Windows XP up to 2020 - -

That'd be me then. Lol. I was very grateful to PG for not giving up on XP when (I think) 2019 came out and it wouldnt run. Andrew spent ages with me on Team Viewer until he tracked down the bug and an upissue Build was raised to fix it.
My PC has an XP hard drive, a Win7 hard drive with BB2020 on it and a Win10 hard drive with my BB2021 on. I guess one more would make no difference but I'm thinking that maybe upping Win7 to 11 might be an idea instead. What do you think?
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#672135 - 09/08/21 02:38 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Band-in-a-Box works great in Windows 11! [Re: sixchannel]
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Originally Posted By: sixchannel

That'd be me then. Lol. I was very grateful to PG for not giving up on XP when (I think) 2019 came out and it wouldnt run. Andrew spent ages with me on Team Viewer until he tracked down the bug and an upissue Build was raised to fix it.
My PC has an XP hard drive, a Win7 hard drive with BB2020 on it and a Win10 hard drive with my BB2021 on. I guess one more would make no difference but I'm thinking that maybe upping Win7 to 11 might be an idea instead. What do you think?
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Right on! We're still doing that - a recent BB update for Mac didn't work on Snow Leopard (which is from 2009) so we made a new patch to continue supporting Snow Leopard. It can make things a bit difficult though, as supporting older OS'es can sometimes cause issues on the new OS'es, so at some point support has to be dropped for the sake of progress. We just try and prolong that as much as we can.

As for your question, it depends on how much use Win7 gets. If you don't use it much, then it might be worth losing in favour of Win11.
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#678244 - 10/18/21 01:41 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Band-in-a-Box works great in Windows 11! [Re: Simon - PG Music]
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This increasing trend of Microsoft's to make new version of the OS work only on newer hardware and older versions of the OS only to run on older hardware is becoming a bit of an issue for those of us who still have to support applications back to Win95.

The best workaround I've found so far is to run the older Windows in a virtual machine, usually VirtualBox. It's quite feasible to run older OSs in a VirtualBox on the newer hardware. I'm not so confident about newer OSs in a VirtualBox on older hardware as I've not tried that.

FWIW, I work mostly (90%) on Linux and run other OSs in VirtualBoxes under Linux, whilst a colleague runs Windows10 and runs older Windows and Linux in VirtualBoxes under Win10. He still has to support an application on Win3.11-embedded.

In Windows under Linux, there are complications with USB sharing, which is a nuisance with BiaB and also with some versions of DirectX. I don't know what limitations there are running in a VirtualBox hosted by Windows because I've never done it.

When I was forced to change my Win7 on this machine to Win10, I discovered that MS offered the free upgrade from Win7/8/8.1 for many months after the official deadline. They _may_ do that again.
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#678370 - 10/19/21 12:56 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Band-in-a-Box works great in Windows 11! [Re: Gordon Scott]
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Originally Posted By: Gordon Scott
The best workaround I've found so far is to run the older Windows in a virtual machine, usually VirtualBox. It's quite feasible to run older OSs in a VirtualBox on the newer hardware. I'm not so confident about newer OSs in a VirtualBox on older hardware as I've not tried that.

In some cases there are issues doing that, as the OS may require some specific CPU instruction sets (SSSE, MMX, etc) and I don't believe VirtualBox emulates those instructions (and if it did they would be very slow). If the hardware is capable of running the guest OS, I don't think it's an issue for the guest to be a newer OS than the host.


Originally Posted By: Gordon Scott
When I was forced to change my Win7 on this machine to Win10, I discovered that MS offered the free upgrade from Win7/8/8.1 for many months after the official deadline. They _may_ do that again.

Many sources on the internet believe that Microsoft will continue this, however nothing is official.
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#678377 - 10/19/21 01:30 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Band-in-a-Box works great in Windows 11! [Re: Simon - PG Music]
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I can confirm, yes.. Having a valid license of Windows 10 Pro (upgraded a few years back from 8.1), I was able to upgrade to 11 Pro at no cost.
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