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#671933 - 09/07/21 09:56 AM [Off-Topic] Solo/Duo players need advice
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My wife and I have a duo where we play mp3 backing tracks and sing/play along.
I'm using an android tablet with my mp3 files on it to play my backing tra CV is through our small pa system

What I'd like to do is find a way to advance through the set list (mp3s) track one, track 2, track 3 etc... with a foot switch instead of tapping on the screen.

I'm not talking about pdf files of the sheet music I'm talking about the actual mp3 files so as to play one song after another. I would have the mp3s arranged in the app in order of my set list.

Anybody doing this? What gear are you using? Android apps, pedal etc...

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#671964 - 09/07/21 12:37 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Solo/Duo players need advice [Re: cb56]
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You need to connect with Bob Notes Norton, who basically does this very thing. Not with a footswitch. But, he has a great method for performing with tracks in his Duo. Norton Music , there are some links there to how he creates his tracks and he has posted in these forums a few times talking about how he performs.
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#671968 - 09/07/21 01:12 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Solo/Duo players need advice [Re: etcjoe]
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Maybe he'll see this and chime in with some advice.
Just ordered a foot switch.
We'll see how it works out.
I switch between 3 different instruments during our show so any time saving device between songs will come in handy.

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#671997 - 09/07/21 03:34 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Solo/Duo players need advice [Re: cb56]
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Creating tracks isn't the issue.

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#672121 - 09/08/21 12:26 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Solo/Duo players need advice [Re: cb56]
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I've been in a duo since 1985, and until COVID, we were never out of work. In fact, we had to block out vacation weeks a year ahead of time, or we wouldn't get one.

I've gone through a few different ways to do this through the years, until I found the best one for us.

We don't do set lists. I watch the audience and call the tunes as I think they need. I try to give them the best experience.

For example, if they are dancing and look like they need another, I'll start another immediately (with my crowd 4 seconds is too slow). If they look like they are tiring, I can call a slow song. Or whatever.

If I need to, I can switch from one song to the next immediately, without missing a beat.

Here is both how I create tracks and how I use them on stage.

http://www.nortonmusic.com/backing_tracks.html

You can skip the "how I make them" part and scroll to the "how I use them on stage" part.

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#672127 - 09/08/21 01:33 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Solo/Duo players need advice [Re: cb56]
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I do exactly what you are describing.

Anytune Pro for setlist management/playback
Irig Blueboard Bluetooth pedal for controlling start/stop, next/previous, loop section in song.


Anytune runs on IOS Android and Mac OS.
Its the best piece of code for performing with tracks I've come across yet.
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#672343 - 09/09/21 07:49 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Solo/Duo players need advice [Re: cb56]
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You can use a boss rc 3 pedal and with a switch pedal select the song. Does not support mp3 but 3 hours of wav stereo yes.Read the short manual if you are interested, explains it there.
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#672387 - 09/10/21 09:13 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Solo/Duo players need advice [Re: Notes Norton]
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This is a question for Notes (I purchased BIAB from you many moons ago).

I recently switched from playing my BIAB backing tracks from a looper pedal to an android tablet. I'm using the headphone jack directly into my Boze L1 compact. It has an 1/8 inch stereo input which is a balanced analog input designed for connecting audio sources such as portable mp3 players,laptop computers, etc.

Could I improve my sound quality with a USB Audio Interface, and if so is there a current one you might recommend?

Thanks!!!

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#672424 - 09/10/21 03:00 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Solo/Duo players need advice [Re: cb56]
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Does the Android tablet have a USB port? This little guy is playback only, but it's got two balanced outputs and can be run in Mono or Stereo.


https://www.amazon.com/Peavey-3001370-USB-Audio-Interface/dp/B004A4PSEU


Much mo betta than a 1/8" plug.


Regards,

Bob

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#672430 - 09/10/21 03:15 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Solo/Duo players need advice [Re: 90 dB]
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Yes it does. Thanks 90 db!

However, I told by a sales rep from a popular on-line music dealer that any sort of interface would not improve my sound quality. He said I would have to enhance the actual audio file. Right now I'm using WAV files.

???

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#672433 - 09/10/21 03:53 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Solo/Duo players need advice [Re: cb56]
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If you're not actually recording, but just playing back, the Peavey box works a treat. As for "improving" your sound quality - are you happy with the sound of your WAVS now?


Regards,

Bob

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#672435 - 09/10/21 04:04 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Solo/Duo players need advice [Re: 90 dB]
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I am happy with their sound. But I'm always looking to improve sound quality if the Peavey will do that?

Thanks.

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#672437 - 09/10/21 04:23 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Solo/Duo players need advice [Re: cb56]
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That would depend on whether the Android HP output is balanced. I seriously doubt it.

If it's not, the answer would be yes.


Regards,

Bob


Edited by 90 dB (09/10/21 04:40 PM)

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#672518 - 09/11/21 07:01 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Solo/Duo players need advice [Re: Frank Alves]
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Originally Posted By: Frank Alves
This is a question for Notes (I purchased BIAB from you many moons ago).

I recently switched from playing my BIAB backing tracks from a looper pedal to an android tablet. I'm using the headphone jack directly into my Boze L1 compact. It has an 1/8 inch stereo input which is a balanced analog input designed for connecting audio sources such as portable mp3 players,laptop computers, etc.

Could I improve my sound quality with a USB Audio Interface, and if so is there a current one you might recommend?

Thanks!!!


I never use the headphone jack and always use a USB to Audio interface.

Why?

1) A non-static connection
2) Better sound - the USB-Audio has better highs and lows to our ears.

And I'm using a no-frills USB to Audio Edriol that I bought years ago. No knobs, no sliders, just a basic connection with a light to let me know if there is signal.

That means there is less to go wrong on the gig. Plus, I bring a spare -- just in case.

Notes


Edited by Notes Norton (09/11/21 07:02 AM)
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#672539 - 09/11/21 09:23 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Solo/Duo players need advice [Re: cb56]
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NEVER the headphone jack.
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#672542 - 09/11/21 10:05 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Solo/Duo players need advice [Re: Frank Alves]
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What about going from the tablet to a portable mixer to the Boze?

Thanks.

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#672561 - 09/11/21 01:27 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Solo/Duo players need advice [Re: cb56]
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#672564 - 09/11/21 01:37 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Solo/Duo players need advice [Re: cb56]
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It’s hard to believe I’m saying this, but I agree with Eddie.

Never use the headphone jack.
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#672567 - 09/11/21 01:48 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Solo/Duo players need advice [Re: cb56]
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I don't want to get all technical on you experts.... But my live show (if I dare call my modest 1 man band effort a show) between 1998 and 2002 were all done with tracks and BIAB played from my laptop headphone jack to my PA - and the sound was fine. As good as my Desktop sound output via my DAW and audio device. So you can't say it can't be done. Heck some folks still believe that Albums sound better than CDs.
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#672569 - 09/11/21 02:13 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Solo/Duo players need advice [Re: Matt Finley]
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If not the headphone jack, then what would you recommend Matt?

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#672573 - 09/11/21 02:30 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Solo/Duo players need advice [Re: MusicStudent]
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Originally Posted By: MusicStudent
I don't want to get all technical on you experts.... But my live show (if I dare call my modest 1 man band effort a show) between 1998 and 2002 were all done with tracks and BIAB played from my laptop headphone jack to my PA - and the sound was fine. As good as my Desktop sound output via my DAW and audio device. So you can't say it can't be done. Heck some folks still believe that Albums sound better than CDs.




I may not be an "expert", but I do have a few years' experience using every setup that's ever been devised for live audio, and I've used the Peavey unit for about ten years. That's why I recommended it.

I would rather have two balanced XLRs into my mixer than a wobbly output from a 1/8 inch mini-plug.

"Heck some folks still believe that Albums sound better than CDs."

Seriously? grin


Regards,


Bob


Edited by 90 dB (09/11/21 02:48 PM)

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#672598 - 09/11/21 06:37 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Solo/Duo players need advice [Re: cb56]
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I use a Presonus C24 audio interface on my laptop. But I also use it to plug in a guitar. That way I can balance the guitar with the backing files in the laptop before I go into the PA. The sound out of the laptop uses only one channel.

I use TH-U (amp sim) as my amp and a Behringer FCB1010 midi foot controller for control of various “stomp boxes”, guitar volume and auto wah speed in TH-U.

Lately I’ve also been using a Helicon Harmony Singer 2 to do some harmonies. This enables me to do some nice stuff and covers my voice a bit.

All simply plugs into a PA where I add vocals and up the volume.

Tony


Edited by Teunis (09/11/21 06:38 PM)
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#672638 - 09/12/21 05:57 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Solo/Duo players need advice [Re: cb56]
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I'm not Matt, I don't play Matt on TV but my recommendation is a USB to Audio interface.

Better fidelity, and no static if you accidently touch the cable.

Notes
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#672681 - 09/12/21 10:15 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Solo/Duo players need advice [Re: Notes Norton]
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Thanks for everyone's advise.

So what I'm going to try (once I get the proper cables) is USB out from my tablet into the 1/4 inch input on my Focusrite Scarlett Solo, and then RCA cables out from the Focusrite into the Boze.

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#672708 - 09/12/21 02:10 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Solo/Duo players need advice [Re: MusicStudent]
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Originally Posted By: MusicStudent
I don't want to get all technical on you experts.... But my live show (if I dare call my modest 1 man band effort a show) between 1998 and 2002 were all done with tracks and BIAB played from my laptop headphone jack to my PA - and the sound was fine. As good as my Desktop sound output via my DAW and audio device. So you can't say it can't be done. Heck some folks still believe that Albums sound better than CDs.


+1.
Why even run a wire?

I'm getting to the point where I use bluetooth more and more and skip the cables entirely for my tracks playing.
I either use a tablet or a phone. Both are IOS and run the same software.

I would never buy another powered speaker that did not have bluetooth built in.

Before Bluetooth I ran a cable out from the headphone jack to an xlr input.
I have experienced zero, none, not one problem running a cable from the headphone jack to my speaker. No hum, no problems.

I can pack in and out in 1 trip. Guitar, Powered Speaker, small shoulder bag.
Plenty loud and it sounds good.

Don't knock it till you've tried it. Your experience of a year or two (or 10) ago may be irrelevant today. Things do change. Look at midi.
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#672722 - 09/12/21 03:55 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Solo/Duo players need advice [Re: cb56]
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"I can pack in and out in 1 trip. Guitar, Powered Speaker, small shoulder bag.
Plenty loud and it sounds good."



More power to you.

'Loud' is a very subjective term. Now, this rig is loud, and sounds fantastic. grin






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#672723 - 09/12/21 04:13 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Solo/Duo players need advice [Re: cb56]
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That rig has me beat in spades! If I knew we were talking about this size setup I never would not have mentioned the headphones jack. crazy

I think it is time for one of those threads were we upload pictures of our live stage gear. Nice pic grin
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#672734 - 09/12/21 06:01 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Solo/Duo players need advice [Re: cb56]
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This was suggested to me as a possible connection between the tablet and the Boze:

https://www.amazon.com/Astell-Kern-USB-C-Dual-cable/dp/B091D49VV9

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#672869 - 09/13/21 05:25 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Solo/Duo players need advice [Re: cb56]
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Boy this thread sure got off topic in a hurry.
Anyway apparently what I'm wanting to do can't be done.

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#672877 - 09/13/21 06:10 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Solo/Duo players need advice [Re: cb56]
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Originally Posted By: cb56
Boy this thread sure got off topic in a hurry.
Anyway apparently what I'm wanting to do can't be done.


Sorry about that. There are indeed a number of programs that allow you to create a set and step through them. I use Songbook but I don’t have a foot switch to step though. I once did a few numbers with a chap that did have his program hooked up via a footswitch. OnSong is something that might do what you want. Look on the WEB there are several tools out ther.

Look at something like https://youtu.be/EkqAxepgrQY as a starting point

Just a thought

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#672926 - 09/14/21 05:43 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Solo/Duo players need advice [Re: cb56]
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Ok one more time.
I want to play my mp3 backing tracks in set list order on my android tablet using a foot switch. NOT read pdf sheet music.

I bought the airturn bt200s foot switch as recommended by sweetwater.
It doesn't seem to work with my music app(VLC).

Most of the apps recommended by airturn on their WEB page are for organizing and reading pdf sheet music. The two that they recommend for playing backing tracks, one is a non working link. The other is not a downloadable app. You have to be connected to the internet. I tried the free tral and it won't let me upload a file larger than 4MB . Most of mine are 6 or 7MB. I really dont want to rely on someone's wifi to be able to perform.

With all the fancy things electronic gizmos can do today you'd think this would be a no brainers. Guess not.


Edited by cb56 (09/14/21 05:46 AM)

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#672976 - 09/14/21 10:33 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Solo/Duo players need advice [Re: cb56]
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cb56,

You may want to talk to your Sweetwater representative about returning the footswitch. I visited the Airturn website and looked at the compatibility list. All the apps listed are for Apple products such as an iPad.
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#673109 - 09/15/21 07:38 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Solo/Duo players need advice [Re: Jim Fogle]
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There is a list for android apps also. But most of them are pdf page Turner type things

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#673114 - 09/15/21 08:01 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Solo/Duo players need advice [Re: cb56]
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Originally Posted By: cb56
Ok one more time.


CB

I believe I provided you a real solution previously on this thread
Anytune Pro and Irig Blueboard
Total investment $100

Yes, you will have to give up your general purpose audio player and use something that specifically addresses creating set lists, playing those set lists and using a foot pedal to start, stop etc.

In fact, everything you've asked for ..... one more time

Your choice..... Be free.
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#674567 - 09/23/21 04:55 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Solo/Duo players need advice [Re: eddie1261]
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NEVER the headphone jack.


I think my mileage must vary as I have been using headphone jack since day one 2004 without a single issue. Both for my Bose LII and also my larger Peavy Mixers. I tested with the usb connections and heard no discernable difference in my sound.

Now even saying this I can see way a usb connection would seem like a more stable connection, I am just saying I have has no issues using the 1/8 jack from computer directly to the mixers.

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You may have noticed when you were installing Band-in-a-Box® for Windows that you were asked if you would like to Associate Band-in-a-Box songs and styles with Band-in-a-Box? But, what does that mean?

It's actually pretty simple - basically, if you select this option while you're installing the program, files with the extensions .SGU, .MGU, and other Band-in-a-Box files will open directly in the program if you select them from outside the program.

Missed this option during your setup, but you'd like to apply it now? Go to File | File Utilities | Associate File types with Explorer within the program.

New Update for RealBand 2021 Available!

Do you use RealBand (included in all Band-in-a-Box® for Windows purchases)? Download the latest free update, which resolves a small viewing issue for Windows 11 users.

When you download the latest update for RealBand 2021, it will add all the updates we've made this year. See the full list here.

Ear Training Games in Band-in-a-Box® for Windows

October 1, 2021 is National Kids Music Day!

Head to the Practice Window in Band-in-a-Box® for Windows, and you'll see fun games that are fun ear training options for kids: Music Replay & Pitch Invasion.

Of course, you don't have to be a kid to like these games, I think there a fun way to learn at any age!

Music Replay is just what it sounds like - the program plays a 1-bar melody, and the user plays it back. Get it right, and you'll keep building that melody (and skill) within the game - get it wrong, and you'll be met with a warning tone and have to try again... it's quite addictive, and a lot of fun!

If you like a classic arcade game, then you'll love Pitch Invasion! We've managed to incorporate aliens with pitch-recognition skills in this exciting game, where you'll match the pitch of the alien ship descending towards your planet trying to destroy your collection of instruments - match the pitch and you've saved your instruments, make a mistake and the ship keeps coming... you'll have a few tries to get it right, if you're quick, but if all your instruments are destroyed - it's game over! The game speeds up as your skills improve, and you'll earn points along the way, with bonus points available throughout the game.

Open up your Band-in-a-Box® for Windows today to give it a try!

These ear training games are also included in Musical Arcade for Windows.

How to Make Backing Tracks with Band-in-a-Box®, by Nick Kellie

Band-in-a-Box® endorsing artist Nick Kellie recently got his hands on the newest Band-in-a-Box® 2021 for Mac, and put together this video showing off just how easy it is to make backing tracks in Band-in-a-Box®!

Band-in-a-Box Demo - How to make backing tracks

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