Thanks Dan...looking forward to what you come up with.
This is in Cm at 110 BPM.
So you can visualize what I have in mind for the video, the first 16 bars with the guitar hits see the spaceship in the distance, and get closer with each guitar hit.
After that, there is a transition to the inside of the spaceship, and the vocal starts. The person singing is an android/humanoid who is running the ship but does not consider what he is doing as singing. He has his back to the camera much of the time.
I know, send the guys with the white coats to Billy's house...lol
Billy
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Billy. this is v nice, but i feel compelled to say i'm not sure this evocative track needs traditional drums.
i'm hearing more the idea of sparse tympani and orchestral drum hits throughout the piece judiciously placed, rather than a drum trak constantly banging away like one might hear in other genres. i'm thinking what would a orchestral arranger do in this situation ? i feel he/she would tsake a sparse approach with the occasional dramatic drum hit. i hope you dont mind my honest comment.
Billy. this is v nice, but i feel compelled to say i'm not sure this evocative track needs traditional drums.
i'm hearing more the idea of sparse tympani and orchestral drum hits throughout the piece judiciously placed, rather than a drum trak constantly banging away like one might hear in other genres. i'm thinking what would a orchestral arranger do in this situation ? i feel he/she would tsake a sparse approach with the occasional dramatic drum hit. i hope you dont mind my honest comment.
best om
Absolutely, please always feel free to comment as you like about anything I post.
Because I have been struggling with the percussion aspect I suspect you may be right. I also was thinking about some sound effects to emulate a spacecraft engine with the correct pulse to fit the music.
I defiantly can hear sparse tympani.
I have to run out to Miami to get a third Covid shot so I will be off the air for a few hours well...unless the Covid shot places a drum track in my DAw...You know, the nano stuff to track your whereabouts and control you...lol
Billy....lol
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First layer of drums are done! But it is hard to stop and not move to adding another layer. I have set a deadline for myself of end of day so I will upload what I got at that time.
Billy. this is v nice, but i feel compelled to say i'm not sure this evocative track needs traditional drums.
i'm hearing more the idea of sparse tympani and orchestral drum hits throughout the piece judiciously placed, rather than a drum trak constantly banging away like one might hear in other genres. i'm thinking what would a orchestral arranger do in this situation ? i feel he/she would tsake a sparse approach with the occasional dramatic drum hit. i hope you dont mind my honest comment.
best om
I agree with the above. Along the lines of this thought, the sparkly DX-7 sounding electric piano seems too far forward compared to the other sounds.
This whole project is upside down. I am writing the music for a video that has not been produced yet. In fact, I have only started to write the script and produce a storyboard. To make matters worse I have no idea what I am doing...lol
This idea has been rolling around in my head for several years.
I have about a zillion dollars tied up in Toontracks software and they have "orchestral drums" that have the sounds I am looking for. Another $250 dollars...Jezzes...will it never end!
As all this started out as a musical idea a long time ago, I never considered the possibility of this turning into a "cinematic orchestral" production.
A short look into orchestral VSTs left a lump in my throat as to the cost of such VSTs.
I have been wanting to do something different for some time. This is for sure different.
I am really in uncharted waters, in the deep end of the pool and over my head. It is becoming apparent I really need to score all this out. That is a scary idea!
I can see already that I will need some help. That most likely will involve psychiatric help also...lol
Cheers,
Billy
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Way to go, Billy! Nothing better than having an idea and taking it to fruition, especially a musical idea. Despite the frustrations, deep inside I'll bet you're looking forward to the challenges. You got my support, for sure.
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i would talk to mario who does great cinematics if you peruse the user showcase. also there are lots of pd orch sounds around. just read the licensing carefully. eg freesound. best oldmuso.
Thanks for the link oldmuso. I have been looking around for free or nearly free stuff. I will get Mario's thoughts on the subject. He is always ready to help anyone.
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Way to go, Billy! Nothing better than having an idea and taking it to fruition, especially a musical idea. Despite the frustrations, deep inside I'll bet you're looking forward to the challenges. You got my support, for sure.
Thanks Trev...you are one of the good guys who is always reaching out to help people.
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Billy sounds like you have taken on an ambitious project. Just a few comments on the drum thoughts.
Regarding orchestral percussion. I did make a couple attempts of working with this in the short piece you uploaded. I have gone down that rabbit hole over the past years and have a collection of suitable VSTs to produce this, for example, Kirt Hunter's kettle drums and tympanyi, Kontact Komplete 13, several of the Spitfire Orchestra products, and those are only a few of the products I remember I have.
As suggested by others here, these type of swelling and thunderous hits with long tails make sense in your space story board. However I found they just did not fit in the track you provided. These types of sounds simply need more "space" in the mix.
That short track has three sections: Intro (4 bars), Bridge (8 bars) and Soft Section (~18 bars). The Bridge section is the best candidate for the orchestral percussion, but each downbeat has a hard guitar strum which does not go well with a big drum hit. In fact, the Toms I used avoided the downbeat in all sections. And the Soft Section is too quite for a heavy hit.
Bottom line, it is a nice piece and a good start to your project. If there is anything else that I can do for you, just holler.
Thanks for the link oldmuso. I have been looking around for free or nearly free stuff. I will get Mario's thoughts on the subject. He is always ready to help anyone.
Billy
Hi Billy,
Along with the free orchestral VSTs you might want to check the free SFZ sounds:
The free version of BBC Symphony Orchestra from Spitfire Audio is excellent.
It includes timpani... (and other percussion).
As an alternative, you might consider using some synth drums for a more futuristic sound. They (synths) all come with a wide variety of "drums sounds" and much of today's music is built around them - embracing the those-don't-sound-like-real-drums sound of synth-y drums...
The free version of BBC Symphony Orchestra from Spitfire Audio is excellent.
It includes timpani... (and other percussion).
As an alternative, you might consider using some synth drums for a more futuristic sound. They (synths) all come with a wide variety of "drums sounds" and much of today's music is built around them - embracing the those-don't-sound-like-real-drums sound of synth-y drums...
Hi Floyd, I think I downloaded the free BBC from Spitfire yesterday. Their paid version is pretty world famous.
Funny you should mention the synth drum idea. Some friends in Europe have been sending me ideas. Here is one.
Thanks Dan for all the feedback. What you are saying is certainly logical to me. All of this is just ideas that are being developed and the final product will most likely be quite different.
Perhaps I should have posted the original piano piece so everyone could get an idea of how all this started. Maybe I will do that if I have the time today.
Thanks for all the help.
Billy
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Seize the moo-ment If you feel like you’ve herd all these cow puns before, you probably have deja-moo
The free version of BBC Symphony Orchestra from Spitfire Audio is excellent.
It includes timpani... (and other percussion).
As an alternative, you might consider using some synth drums for a more futuristic sound. They (synths) all come with a wide variety of "drums sounds" and much of today's music is built around them - embracing the those-don't-sound-like-real-drums sound of synth-y drums...
The free version of BBC Symphony Orchestra from Spitfire Audio is excellent.
It includes timpani... (and other percussion).
As an alternative, you might consider using some synth drums for a more futuristic sound. They (synths) all come with a wide variety of "drums sounds" and much of today's music is built around them - embracing the those-don't-sound-like-real-drums sound of synth-y drums...
Boom. The spitfire is the best IMO
I forgot about Spitfire. Yes it is one of if not the best free one out there.
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