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#672929 - 09/14/21 06:33 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Need some drum ideas [Re: Planobilly]
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Billy sounds like you have taken on an ambitious project. Just a few comments on the drum thoughts.

Regarding orchestral percussion. I did make a couple attempts of working with this in the short piece you uploaded. I have gone down that rabbit hole over the past years and have a collection of suitable VSTs to produce this, for example, Kirt Hunter's kettle drums and tympanyi, Kontact Komplete 13, several of the Spitfire Orchestra products, and those are only a few of the products I remember I have.

As suggested by others here, these type of swelling and thunderous hits with long tails make sense in your space story board. However I found they just did not fit in the track you provided. These types of sounds simply need more "space" in the mix.

That short track has three sections: Intro (4 bars), Bridge (8 bars) and Soft Section (~18 bars). The Bridge section is the best candidate for the orchestral percussion, but each downbeat has a hard guitar strum which does not go well with a big drum hit. In fact, the Toms I used avoided the downbeat in all sections. And the Soft Section is too quite for a heavy hit.

Bottom line, it is a nice piece and a good start to your project. If there is anything else that I can do for you, just holler.

Dan

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#672931 - 09/14/21 06:37 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Need some drum ideas [Re: Planobilly]
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Originally Posted By: Planobilly
Thanks for the link oldmuso. I have been looking around for free or nearly free stuff. I will get Mario's thoughts on the subject. He is always ready to help anyone.

Billy


Hi Billy,

Along with the free orchestral VSTs you might want to check the free SFZ sounds:

https://sfzinstruments.github.io/orchestra/

I have found the least expensive really good orchestral sounds are Kirt Hunter Virtuoso Ensembles :

https://www.kirkhunterstudios.com/products/virtuoso-ensembles-kontakt-retail/

(wait for a sale - I purchased it for $149 - but it requires the full version of Kontakt)

and Amadeus

https://www.kvraudio.com/product/amadeus-symphonic-orchestra-by-sonic-scores-music-software

($149 and it runs on the free Kontakt Player)

I just found out that the Garritan Instant Orchestra is free:

https://garritan2017.wixsite.com/personal-orchestra-5

(I bought that a number of years ago - it still has usable sounds and this maybe the best free one out there)

These are just off of the top of my head. Feel free to contact me if you have any questions.

Note that starting tomorrow I will be on vacation/holiday. Where I am going may not have WiFi so I maybe off line for about a week or so.
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#672941 - 09/14/21 07:11 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Need some drum ideas [Re: Planobilly]
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The free version of BBC Symphony Orchestra from Spitfire Audio is excellent.

It includes timpani... (and other percussion).


As an alternative, you might consider using some synth drums for a more futuristic sound. They (synths) all come with a wide variety of "drums sounds" and much of today's music is built around them - embracing the those-don't-sound-like-real-drums sound of synth-y drums...

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#672944 - 09/14/21 07:16 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Need some drum ideas [Re: Planobilly]
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Thanks Mario for the links. I will investigate those.

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#672945 - 09/14/21 07:24 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Need some drum ideas [Re: floyd jane]
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Originally Posted By: floyd jane
The free version of BBC Symphony Orchestra from Spitfire Audio is excellent.

It includes timpani... (and other percussion).


As an alternative, you might consider using some synth drums for a more futuristic sound. They (synths) all come with a wide variety of "drums sounds" and much of today's music is built around them - embracing the those-don't-sound-like-real-drums sound of synth-y drums...


Hi Floyd,
I think I downloaded the free BBC from Spitfire yesterday. Their paid version is pretty world famous.

Funny you should mention the synth drum idea. Some friends in Europe have been sending me ideas. Here is one.

https://soundcloud.com/planobilly/engineering-scratch-demo-engineeringscratchdemo-bagpipe-planobily-space-ideas

I am sure it will take me a few days to sort through all this.

Thank you again for taking the time to respond.

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#672947 - 09/14/21 07:41 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Need some drum ideas [Re: Planobilly]
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Thanks Dan for all the feedback. What you are saying is certainly logical to me. All of this is just ideas that are being developed and the final product will most likely be quite different.

Perhaps I should have posted the original piano piece so everyone could get an idea of how all this started. Maybe I will do that if I have the time today.

Thanks for all the help.

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#673043 - 09/14/21 04:30 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Need some drum ideas [Re: floyd jane]
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Originally Posted By: floyd jane
The free version of BBC Symphony Orchestra from Spitfire Audio is excellent.

It includes timpani... (and other percussion).


As an alternative, you might consider using some synth drums for a more futuristic sound. They (synths) all come with a wide variety of "drums sounds" and much of today's music is built around them - embracing the those-don't-sound-like-real-drums sound of synth-y drums...


Boom. The spitfire is the best IMO

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#673048 - 09/14/21 04:38 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Need some drum ideas [Re: rockstar_not]
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Originally Posted By: rockstar_not
Originally Posted By: floyd jane
The free version of BBC Symphony Orchestra from Spitfire Audio is excellent.

It includes timpani... (and other percussion).


As an alternative, you might consider using some synth drums for a more futuristic sound. They (synths) all come with a wide variety of "drums sounds" and much of today's music is built around them - embracing the those-don't-sound-like-real-drums sound of synth-y drums...


Boom. The spitfire is the best IMO


I forgot about Spitfire. Yes it is one of if not the best free one out there.
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#673087 - 09/15/21 01:30 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Need some drum ideas [Re: MarioD]
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Originally Posted By: MarioD
I just found out that the Garritan Instant Orchestra is free:

https://garritan2017.wixsite.com/personal-orchestra-5

Sorry, this is a bogus site.

MakeMusic bought Garritan a number years ago, and it's still a commercial product.
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#673097 - 09/15/21 04:52 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Need some drum ideas [Re: dcuny]
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Whooops. If that's the case, then thanks for the heads-up !
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#673236 - 09/15/21 06:07 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Need some drum ideas [Re: Planobilly]
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My best advice is simply to bang the drum slowly...



Edited by eddie1261 (09/15/21 06:17 PM)
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#673245 - 09/15/21 07:00 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Need some drum ideas [Re: eddie1261]
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Originally Posted By: eddie1261
My best advice is simply to bang the drum slowly...


That's about how I figured this would go. He was asking for ideas. Billy heard it, so I'm good. cool


Edited by HearToLearn (09/15/21 07:37 PM)
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