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#677464 - 10/12/21 07:30 AM [PowerTracks Pro Audio] Power Tracks and Windows 11
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Will PT 2020 and 2021 work with Windows 11?
Thanks!

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#677478 - 10/12/21 09:20 AM [PowerTracks Pro Audio] Re: Power Tracks and Windows 11 [Re: Bernier]
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Hi Bernier, we are still working on testing PowerTracks 2021 on Windows 11. We have tested Band-in-a-Box and RealBand on Windows 11 and so far both have been working. We speculate that PowerTracks 2021 will likely have similar results.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUDCMnYpHdU
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#684316 - 11/21/21 12:33 AM [PowerTracks Pro Audio] Re: Power Tracks and Windows 11 [Re: Bernier]
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Hi Bernier
I am testing PGmusic products on a Raspberry Pi400 with Windows 11 for ARM64 installed.

All 3 products open and run normally in the 2.9mB ram available.
Midi in and out plus midi to softsynth (Forte) runs efficiently and quickly.

RealTracks load as do styles but here I ran into available RAM limitations. Playing brings the machine to a very slow crawl. Swap file used needs an additional 4 gB memory and the swapping from disk creates a huge demand on resources.

I have ordered a Raspberry Pi4B 8gB model to at least alleviate the memory situation.

The switch to Linux saga continues!

Garth from Perth Aus.
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#684958 - 11/23/21 05:56 PM [PowerTracks Pro Audio] Re: Power Tracks and Windows 11 [Re: Bernier]
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I've been tempted to get myself a Pi 4 to try some of this out myself. Please keep us updated! You may want to start your own thread though, it would probably get more attention that way.
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#685052 - 11/24/21 04:51 AM [PowerTracks Pro Audio] Re: Power Tracks and Windows 11 [Re: Simon - PG Music]
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my xmas dream...sigh.
a 80 buk PI 6 cpu running at 5ghz..running biab/realband/and reaper with 2 usb c ports and other normal ports.
to stop me dreaming bout a 2k m1 mac i cant afford..lol.
om
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#685163 - 11/24/21 09:59 AM [PowerTracks Pro Audio] Re: Power Tracks and Windows 11 [Re: Bernier]
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Muso, a few numbers for you - you like numbers don'tcha?


The Pi 4 at 1.5ghz has a Geekbench score of 596, roughly the same as the Core2Duo from a 2009 Mac Mini (592 for the 2.53ghz one).

If the Pi 4's CPU was overclocked to 5ghz with no other architectural changes (and assuming it wouldn't catch fire immediately), it would theoretically benchmark around 1987, or about 20% faster than a 4th gen "mobile" i7 (from the 2014 Mac Mini, Geekbench 1631). The M1 is still nearly 4x as fast as that theoretical overclocked Pi 4 or 12.5x as fast not overclocked (M1 Geekbench 7401).

The M1 also has more memory available (up to 16gb instead of up to 8gb) and faster memory (68gb/sec vs 4.5gb/sec), and the storage speed is 60x as fast as the Pi 4's micro SD card (2700-ish mb/sec vs 45-ish mb/sec), or about 8x as fast as booting the Pi4 from a USB3 SSD (350-ish mb/sec).

Then we get the top end M1 Max Macbooks - Geekbench 12330, 64gb of 400gb/sec memory, 7.4gb/sec storage - or in other words completely dwarfs my monster i9 machine...


So, my thoughts - it was 7 years between the first Pi 1 and the current Pi 4, and in that time the CPU power increased about 30x. As things tend to happen exponentially, I figure it'll be another 5-7 years before the Pi can match the power of the M1.
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#685250 - 11/24/21 04:30 PM [PowerTracks Pro Audio] Re: Power Tracks and Windows 11 [Re: Simon - PG Music]
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Simon.
dont get me wrong. the m1 is superb. but when one is reading bout possibility of an m2 coming along, and given that tech gets rapidly obsolete <<< thats my concern.

i would happily plop down the big buks for an m1 mac if i knew it was upgradeable with an m2 later on.
its not exactly a trivial spend. thus i feel at these prices , at least apple could offer an upgrade path to users spending at this high level....particularly as musicians struggle often to make a decent living for their families.

lets see how it pans out with PI.
cos from reading bout it, it seems the PI organisation isnt sitting still either...they MUST KNOW there is a huge potential user base worldwide lusting after a PI
that knocks the doors down at a cheap price.

imho apple need to follow the wallet friendly approach of your own pg org.
eg usb pen drive with biab and free rb costing 90 buks.
OR powertraks that i started on yonks ago that costs 49 buks.
both great deals/steals imho.

best.
om


Edited by justanoldmuso (11/24/21 04:31 PM)
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#685495 - 11/25/21 05:05 PM [PowerTracks Pro Audio] Re: Power Tracks and Windows 11 [Re: justanoldmuso]
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There's always new tech coming - if you always wait for what's around the corner you'll be stuck with only your existing tech!


They won't make M1's upgradable to M2 - last Mac that could have it's CPU upgraded was 2012, and that was a "refreshed" 2009 model! All CPU's since then have been soldered, and even I'm not good enough to tackle that upgrade.

The Pi will definitely advance, no worries there, but they'll always be quite a few rungs down the ladder. Our current Pi 4 is as fast as a 15 year old computer, meaning likely 15 years from now the Pi will be about as fast as today's computers. That's how they keep the prices down.

I agree that Apple should have a more budget option, like the Mac Mini used to be. Those are now "bread and butter" so to speak, so the prices have risen.
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#685504 - 11/25/21 06:45 PM [PowerTracks Pro Audio] Re: Power Tracks and Windows 11 [Re: Simon - PG Music]
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Simon.
well i'm not too bothered.

i still think one of the best cheap deals around is your 11400 processor idea in a desktop stuffed with ram and ssd's. or my other fav.. off lease refurb hp z or lenovo workstation monster desktop stuffed with ram and ssd's.
a friend of mine actually bought one of the latter ..
after i mentioned it to him...
a Z...he is as happy as anything. loves the thing.
over the moon with it.

either the 11400 or a Z would easily handle anything
i would throw at it for song production cos i dont go nuts on crazy high trak and plug in counts.
i adhere to .."sometimes less is more".

keeping the discussion powertraks related , i used to crank out tunes yonks ago useing ptraks on an amd athlon
desktop. so 11400 or a Z refurb is a major step up...lol.

actually lets see how intel responds to apple doing its own silicon..maybe we will see some big price drops on the higher end intel processors to keep people from getting a m1 or a possibly coming m2 mac.
interesting times.

best.
pm


Edited by justanoldmuso (11/25/21 06:47 PM)
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#685725 - Yesterday at 04:39 PM [PowerTracks Pro Audio] Re: Power Tracks and Windows 11 [Re: Bernier]
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I'd still aim for the 11400 approach, since the old workstations likely won't support NVMe drives, and those make a HUGE difference in perceived speed vs SATA SSD's. The 11400 will use less electricity as well, so lower cost of ownership and less heat produced.

The only real advantage to the old workstations is for video editing, since most Xeon-based systems have more PCIe lanes available. My old LGA2011/X79 system has 40 PCIe lanes vs only 16 in my i9, meaning more bandwidth available for multiple GPU's. That said, in some older systems if they only have PCIe 2.0 each lane will be slower than PCIe 3.0 or 4.0 in a newer system, so a single new GPU would be faster for most people.

None of that makes a difference for PowerTracks or BB, so I'd go with the newer system smile
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#685824 - Today at 07:44 AM [PowerTracks Pro Audio] Re: Power Tracks and Windows 11 [Re: Simon - PG Music]
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Simon.
i gotta agree with you.
i'm currently looking at 11400 with couple of nvme ssd,
and 32 gigs ram...desktop.

ive kinda gone off laptops, cos desktops more expandeable.
problem with one drive laptops is win plus recording daw
etc on same drive. i like to put win on its own seperate drive,
and daw //recording on its own drive also.

om
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