OK, here's another way that might work: Make the first 2 beats a Rest (C.), then enter a comma before the chord on the RHS cell (,C). You will get the first note playing on beat 4 and then the song continues:
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Does not work. they must fix the count in. It is there. Why does it not work. you should be able to count in 12 123 on the 2 x count in bars then start with 4 on the first beat of bar one. Millions of songs require this !!
I am trying to do an arrangement of Jailhouse Rock by Elvis Presley.
Listen to the intro.
12 123 D#,E then 2 snare beats . Repeated.
The D# is the 4th count of the count in and the Ist beat of bar 1.
regards
With respect, I think you may be interpreting the count-in incorrectly. The very first note of the intro to Jailhouse Rock is on beat 4, not beat 1. The D# is beat 4. The E is the first beat of the next bar. This is my interpretation of how I hear the count in:
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Separately, maybe I've missed something and I would be keen on anyone else's comments about a count-in where the 4th beat of the count-in occurs on the 1st beat of the first bar, but I still think the above answer is actually correct.
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Separately, maybe I've missed something and I would be keen on anyone else's comments about a count-in where the 4th beat of the count-in occurs on the 1st beat of the first bar, but I still think the above answer is actually correct.
I don't understnad the "4th beat of the count-in occurs on the 1st beat of the first bar" . What you have would work for me but perhaps Jerry and Mike had that pickup note on an eight note, the "and" following beat 4.
Separately, maybe I've missed something and I would be keen on anyone else's comments about a count-in where the 4th beat of the count-in occurs on the 1st beat of the first bar, but I still think the above answer is actually correct.
I don't understand the "4th beat of the count-in occurs on the 1st beat of the first bar" . What you have would work for me but perhaps Jerry and Mike had that pickup note on an eight note, the "and" following beat 4.
Thanks for weighing in Dan. In the attachment you have, the pickup note is actually on the 'and' of the preceding beat to the last beat of the intro. (Well, technically it's shown as a 2 beat intro, so it's on the 'and' of the first beat - I could discuss the quaver rest followed by the dotted crotchets - but I'm really not trying to confuse this any more though )
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To me, the choice of Jailhouse Rock definitely indicates that that the poster has misunderstood pick-up/anacrucis notes.
The anacrucis is on (the) and the main beats of the song are on (WA)rder (PA)rty (CO)unty (JA)il, precisely where one would expect them in a 4/4.
That takes me back many years to my mobile disco days. I quite often used to segway from Jailhouse Rock into 10cc's Rubber Bullets, with the sirens introducing the latter coming in over the tail end of the former.
Last edited by Gordon Scott; 01/16/2205:12 AM.
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You did not give us a copy of your BIAB version, so I took a few minutes and craved out Jailhouse Rock - Take 1.mgx. 10 minutes in BIAB gets this. If you want to match the groove and licks like the original it will take a lot longer. But that is the fun of making a backing for a cover tune.
Do i have to put it in with notation as you have then?
It may be possible to set the second count-in bar to 3/4 time and then change the first bar of the song back to 4/4 time at the (The), but I think if you it'll sound wrong, with the emphasis on the wrong sylables.
The normal notation would be as AudioTrack shows it. Incidentally, the "technically correct" final bar would have rests to match the pick-up/anacrusis at the begining, whilst any reapeats would have the pick-up/anacrusis there instead. That means that the song will then likely have and first and second endings marks or a Coda. If you're doing only chords there's likely no need for that, though.
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Thank you for trying to help, unlike others on here who just wish to mouth off.
cheers
Actually, I thought every poster here had put in a reasonable effort to assist, including trying to explain that the pickup note on beat 4 is not the first beat of the bar. I think your response here is perhaps a little unreasonable. Maybe you're just not having a good day. Try to lighten up a little, eh?
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Instead of trying to belittle me with your big theory words, and sprouting off about your disco days, how about trying to solve the problem
I thought I'd tried and I have no intent to "belittle you".
Originally Posted By: Gordon Scott
It may be possible to set the second count-in bar to 3/4 time and then change the first bar of the song back to 4/4 time at the (The), but I think if you it'll sound wrong, with the emphasis on the wrong sylables.
Sorry for reminiscing.
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Soulagent. Heres how i would approach jrock. After having listened to original on you tube. The original …starts d>eb it seems right ? on a standard tuned guitar. But if you keep to standard tuning this introduces probs later in the song. So heres my suggestion… In that era they often detuned the guitar a semitone on all strings. Once you do thus…all becomes easy (includeing the lead chimes at 12th fret if i remember). So with detuned semitone all strings guitar…now starts eb>>e. Making an easy A start in the verse. In summary further…. Firstly ignore biab metronome etc. in a daw like reaper or realband Create a sample snare trak …bam bam dah dah bam bam dah dah etc like original. And save that. THEN … In biab Focus on only the verses onwards. THUS starting at the A chord. Etc etc. SO USE BB FOR VERSE 1 ONWARDS….through song. And layout chord sheet chords. Testing styles and rt’s till you have the ones you like. Then export the rt’s into a daw ….bring in the song intro already saved. PLUS the bb traks/rt’s whatever. REMEMBER the bb chord sheet has to reflect the fact you have detuned the guitar a semitone. Also in any daw you could …to make things interesting A slightly different tempo for the intro from the verses.
Fyi i always ignore the bb drum tap off before chord sheet plays. Each time i do a chord sheet in bb i create my own 4 lead off bars in the chord sheet with just simple drum taps. The benefit of this being ease of lining up traks exported from bb to the daw for final song assembly , vocs and mix to stereo.
Now some might say All can be done in bb. With the new utility traks features. There are several methods. OVERALL tho’ i suggest splitting the song into 2 parts the intro motif and the verses. Divide and conquer concept etc.
Just some ideas. If it doesnt help you apologies mate. But its how i would approach the song.
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