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#698882 - 01/16/22 01:56 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Count In Wont Stick [Re: soulagent]
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Originally Posted By: soulagent
Thats great my friend and thanks.
Now make it work in BIAB

cheers


Here is the best I can go at the moment. You may or may not find what you are looking for here. But you are not the first to go down this road.

https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=409683

You did not give us a copy of your BIAB version, so I took a few minutes and craved out Jailhouse Rock - Take 1.mgx. 10 minutes in BIAB gets this. If you want to match the groove and licks like the original it will take a lot longer. But that is the fun of making a backing for a cover tune.
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#698901 - 01/16/22 02:59 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Count In Wont Stick [Re: soulagent]
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Originally Posted By: soulagent
Do i have to put it in with notation as you have then?


It may be possible to set the second count-in bar to 3/4 time and then change the first bar of the song back to 4/4 time at the (The), but I think if you it'll sound wrong, with the emphasis on the wrong sylables.

The normal notation would be as AudioTrack shows it. Incidentally, the "technically correct" final bar would have rests to match the pick-up/anacrusis at the begining, whilst any reapeats would have the pick-up/anacrusis there instead. That means that the song will then likely have and first and second endings marks or a Coda. If you're doing only chords there's likely no need for that, though.
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#698916 - 01/16/22 04:35 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Count In Wont Stick [Re: soulagent]
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Originally Posted By: soulagent
OK thank you Audiotrak.

Essentially I meant the same as you say. Putting it into practice is the problem.

What about if you just drop the first word 'the', and start the song with the word 'Warden'? on the first beat of the bar, like this:

1, -2, -1, 2, 3, 4,Warden threw a party at the county jail...
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#699370 - 01/18/22 07:45 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Count In Wont Stick [Re: Gordon Scott]
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Instead of trying to belittle me with your big theory words, and sprouting off about your disco days, how about trying to solve the problem :

which is;

Input the count in and intro (chords etc) into BIAB as per the original recording by Elvis.

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#699373 - 01/18/22 07:51 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Count In Wont Stick [Re: MusicStudent]
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Thank you for trying to help, unlike others on here who just wish to mouth off.

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#699397 - 01/18/22 10:33 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Count In Wont Stick [Re: soulagent]
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Originally Posted By: soulagent
Thank you for trying to help, unlike others on here who just wish to mouth off.

cheers

Actually, I thought every poster here had put in a reasonable effort to assist, including trying to explain that the pickup note on beat 4 is not the first beat of the bar. I think your response here is perhaps a little unreasonable. Maybe you're just not having a good day. Try to lighten up a little, eh?
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#699412 - 01/19/22 02:13 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Count In Wont Stick [Re: soulagent]
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Originally Posted By: soulagent
Instead of trying to belittle me with your big theory words, and sprouting off about your disco days, how about trying to solve the problem

I thought I'd tried and I have no intent to "belittle you".

Originally Posted By: Gordon Scott

It may be possible to set the second count-in bar to 3/4 time and then change the first bar of the song back to 4/4 time at the (The), but I think if you it'll sound wrong, with the emphasis on the wrong sylables.


Sorry for reminiscing.
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#699459 - 01/19/22 07:10 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Count In Wont Stick [Re: Gordon Scott]
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Soulagent.
Heres how i would approach jrock.
After having listened to original on you tube.
The original …starts d>eb it seems right ? on a standard tuned guitar.
But if you keep to standard tuning this introduces probs later in the song.
So heres my suggestion…
In that era they often detuned the guitar a semitone on all strings.
Once you do thus…all becomes easy (includeing the lead chimes at
12th fret if i remember).
So with detuned semitone all strings guitar…now starts eb>>e.
Making an easy A start in the verse.
In summary further….
Firstly ignore biab metronome etc. in a daw like reaper or realband
Create a sample snare trak …bam bam dah dah bam bam dah dah etc like original.
And save that. THEN …
In biab Focus on only the verses onwards. THUS starting at the A chord.
Etc etc. SO USE BB FOR VERSE 1 ONWARDS….through song.
And layout chord sheet chords. Testing styles and rt’s till you have the ones you like.
Then export the rt’s into a daw ….bring in the song intro already saved.
PLUS the bb traks/rt’s whatever. REMEMBER the bb chord sheet has to reflect the fact you have detuned the guitar a semitone. Also in any daw you could …to make things interesting
A slightly different tempo for the intro from the verses.

Fyi i always ignore the bb drum tap off before chord sheet plays. Each time i do a chord sheet in bb i create my own 4 lead off bars in the chord sheet with just simple drum taps.
The benefit of this being ease of lining up traks exported from bb to the daw for final song assembly , vocs and mix to stereo.

Now some might say All can be done in bb. With the new utility traks features.
There are several methods.
OVERALL tho’ i suggest splitting the song into 2 parts the intro motif and the verses.
Divide and conquer concept etc.

Just some ideas. If it doesnt help you apologies mate.
But its how i would approach the song.

Hope above helps.
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Edited by justanoldmuso (01/19/22 07:27 AM)
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#699521 - 01/19/22 12:39 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Count In Wont Stick [Re: justanoldmuso]
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Thank you for your help.

cheers

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