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Hello Folks, the vocals are pre comping & tuning. BIAB supplied the drums, RealDrums in style:RockHard^03-a:Open Hat, Snare, b:Ride, Snare (may need some variety in the B sections) Written & structured in BIAB and tracked with the DAW plug in telling where n when to do things. Bass is a Hofner knock off through a BDI21 Guitar is a Squire Bullet Mustang through a Marshall Superbass with some fuzz used with the "lead". Tracked n mixed in Reaper as usual...everything is as usual I suppose. March 23 Here's a slightly tidier version - I've used the 1st vocal to reduce the confusion. I've also upped the bass drum definition a bit. Otherwise the same I suppose BUT less of a mud fight and the melody is a little clearer. March24 New vocals - not comped yet. Lyric: INTRO verse 1 6 (I) don't know what to do when 4 they ask why I 5 still do these things 5 still say these things? 5 Am I too old now? chorus 1 7 The best that I can do is 4 The more I know 4 The more I show 6 That more or less 3 No more can I 4 Keep sitting still 3 (I) have to know 3 (I) have to grow 3 (I) have to sow verse 2 6 (I) don't know what to do when 4 they ask why I 5 want to be heard 5 still say the word? 5 Am I too old now? chorus 2 7 The best that I can do is 4 The more I speak 4 The more I tweak 6 That more or less 3 The more I throw 4 I can't sit still 3 The overflow 3 To foreshadow 3 Both friend and foe verse 3 6 (I) don't know what to do when 4 they ask why I 5 still make a noise 5 still play these toys? 5 Am I too old now? 4 Should I stop? solo chorus 4 7 The best that I can do is 4 The more I see 4 Hyperbole 6 That more or less 3 The more I go 4 Not standing still 3 (I) have to taste 3 (I) will not waste 3 (I) am in haste chorus 5 7 The best that I can do is 4 The more I fight 4 Against the night 6 That more or less 3 No more is best 4 Not lying still 3 Before I die 3 And putrefy 3 It's clear that I Won't ANY and all comments, suggestions, castigation and passive aggressive expositions welcome and wanted.
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Hey, I love that ending, with the frenzied little drum bit in the coda. And the spirit of the lyric is awesome, big big points for using "putrify" and even rhyming it.
Otherwise, trying to make sense of my own listening reactions...
This kind of goes on in, as you say, a grumbly way that is recognizably melodic but doesn't really sound it. I think it might work better sung higher up. Or as a duet with Lady Gaga. I want to hear that melody because I know it's there.
Looking forward to future developments.
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ray,
Don't Ever Stop. Someone still needs to cry the truth. The toys still work well.
A good balance in the mix. Drums are Cool! (do they include that snare-on-every-beat? or did you have to build that?) A terrific guitar sound across the field. Solid. Bass is crisp and punchy. Good vocals (some nice "anger" - though they could use even more...).
A cool, thought-provoking write.
Never Stop.
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Oooh.. we like this kind of song! Maybe there are a some very low notes you'd better sing a tiny little bit higher But that's all, we enjoyed this one very much. Rob and Anne-Marie
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This version seemed to flow better for me. What a difference a day makes!
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For some reason I hear a chorus of schoolboys joining in.
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Hi, Ray.
To my "too old" ears, the vocal sounds a bit low and difficult to make out.
Love the sound and vocals.
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Hey, I love that ending, with the frenzied little drum bit in the coda. And the spirit of the lyric is awesome, big big points for using "putrify" and even rhyming it.
Otherwise, trying to make sense of my own listening reactions...
This kind of goes on in, as you say, a grumbly way that is recognizably melodic but doesn't really sound it. I think it might work better sung higher up. Or as a duet with Lady Gaga. I want to hear that melody because I know it's there.
Looking forward to future developments. Thanks mark, I've retracked to try to get the shambolic "melody" a bit clearer for you.
Cheers rayc "What's so funny about peace, love & understanding?" - N.Lowe
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ray, Don't Ever Stop. Someone still needs to cry the truth. The toys still work well. A good balance in the mix. Drums are Cool! (do they include that snare-on-every-beat? or did you have to build that?) A terrific guitar sound across the field. Solid. Bass is crisp and punchy. Good vocals (some nice "anger" - though they could use even more...). A cool, thought-provoking write. Never Stop. fj Thanks Floyd, The drums are straight from the box with some added seasoning only. I do think I need to break up the relentless chorus snare though...just a little. I've retracked vocals a little more aggressively but I couldn't manage "angry"....must be years of talking with children...the clearly hostile aspects have been removed.
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Oooh.. we like this kind of song! Maybe there are a some very low notes you'd better sing a tiny little bit higher But that's all, we enjoyed this one very much. Rob and Anne-Marie Thanks Rob n Anne-Marie, Yes, I was auditioning for Pancake Day on a quite a few notes.
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This version seemed to flow better for me. What a difference a day makes!
AND another day bloc-head...I hope. Thanks.
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For some reason I hear a chorus of schoolboys joining in. Interesting idea but it made me think of that odious Pink Floyd Wall single so I'll have to pass...that was elite young men being curmudgeonly before their time.
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Hi, Ray.
To my "too old" ears, the vocal sounds a bit low and difficult to make out.
Love the sound and vocals. dc, Thanks, I THINK the latest mix may have addressed that issue.
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Listened to each one and I really enjoy the constant improvement. Of course the last one I listened to twice so far. Yes, your voice is perfect out front like that. Right from the title I knew it would be a treat. You know I'd love that aggressive bass. It makes the song [as often a bass will ]
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I listened to the latest one
I was not to old to thoroughly enjoy it
I liked the groove and your vocal
The mix was great as were the lyrics
Two thumbs up
I want my last spoken words to be "I hid a million dollars under the........................"
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Currently playing "New vocals - not comped yet."
That opening STOP is absolutely killer, a vocal firecracker that does just the opposite of what it says, kicks off a super-energized piece that totally lives up to its promise. This thing is great, please mix and serve!
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Hi Ray,
I think I prefered your former songs more. Here you are hiding your vocals again behind the instruments. That's a pity, because the lyrics deserve a brighter and louder voice and -for me- even harmonics or doubles. The band is also not really expressive. No instrument claimed attention. If I may give this song a color, it would be close to grey. Sorry for this and I fear I make you angry, but because I've heard many good sounding songs from you, I know you can do better, much better. But... I only heard March 24 and not the previous one.
And yes, I liked the lyrics, brought like a machinegun!
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The latest version is excellent. A truly cohesive mix. All the parts blend perfectly into "a sound" - a good one. Stick a fork in it.
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The vocal definitely sounds better on the March 25 version. It was difficult to make it out in the March 24 version. My ears are terrible but the instrument appears much better too and I can make out the individual instruments. I like the song and the ending. which made my tinnitus disappear temporarily.
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Ray, Sweet! Excellent job on putting this together. Last one is the winner for me. I would just complete it, using same setting and call it done. It does sound good. It is your call of course, but I would not put vocals deeper in the mix. They are in a good position. Don't overthink it Thank you for sharing. Misha.
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Liking the March 24 & the New vocals versions.
Some in your face drive going on there.
Pretty deep arrangement.
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Ray
Listened to the latest one a really strong sounding song. I think it's one of your best vocals more up front and assertive.
Excellent driving sound and a good overall mix.
Loved the feedback at the end.
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verse 3 6 (I) don't know what to do when 4 they ask why I 5 still make a noise 5 still play these toys? 5 Am I too old now? 4 Should I stop? chorus 5 7 The best that I can do is 4 The more I fight 4 Against the night 6 That more or less 3 No more is best 4 Not lying still 3 Before I die 3 And putrefy 3 It's clear that I Won't We liked it all but the above are our favs. As long as the wheels are turning don't stop. With us it is literally and figuratively with the bike riding. "the clearly hostile aspects have been removed" Really? Fine performance Ray on the axe, "Hofner" and vocals. Man, does that bass ever cut perfectly. Good one! J&B
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rayc,
Listened to the latest version I think (New Vocals—not comped yet), and like what I’m hearing very much. That driving, pounding drum is fantastic. The mix is solid and, for me, the vocals are sitting right where they should. Cool little punk rock tune—well done!
All my best,
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Hi Ray.
Wow!
I love that opening... the "STOP" is brilliant!
The driving rhythm really races along with a ton of energy. I'm pretty sure that anyone who listens to this would be hypnotized by feeling of that the backing creates.
Great arrangement and presentation.
This genre is one that I have little experience in. That said, I'd love to be able to come up with song like this. You've done an awesome job!
All the best, --Noel
MY SONGS...Audiophile BIAB 2024
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Listened to each one and I really enjoy the constant improvement. Of course the last one I listened to twice so far. Yes, your voice is perfect out front like that. Right from the title I knew it would be a treat. You know I'd love that aggressive bass. It makes the song [as often a bass will ] The bass is my knock off Hofner with a Klon clone ITB for some grit. Thanks for your kind words Marty.
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I listened to the latest one I was not to old to thoroughly enjoy it I liked the groove and your vocal The mix was great as were the lyrics Two thumbs up Thanks Mario, a quick exercise to move me on from psych noodling and to make some Marshall noise. It was a fun & easy thing as you can hear.
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Hi Ray, I think I prefered your former songs more. Here you are hiding your vocals again behind the instruments. That's a pity, because the lyrics deserve a brighter and louder voice and -for me- even harmonics or doubles. The band is also not really expressive. No instrument claimed attention. If I may give this song a color, it would be close to grey. Sorry for this and I fear I make you angry, but because I've heard many good sounding songs from you, I know you can do better, much better. But... I only heard March 24 and not the previous one. And yes, I liked the lyrics, brought like a machinegun! When do we drink a rum together? Hans Hello Hans, for my money the vocals are far too forward and the inadequacies exposed but there ya go...differences don't have to make distances. Grey - not actually a colour but a tone - is good: aged hair, laden clouds, silent movies, old newsprint, fading photos...at least it's not gun metal. Is grey the metaphor of the expectations of age pummelled into a torrent of black water with a whining codger on top? I don't know - perhaps, maybe? Bass, drums, one guitar left, one right, an accent gtr & organs nearer the middle and no battle for dominance..but a cohort marching to the last resort? The whole thing is a quick n easy unlike a good O.P. rum meant to be sipper n savoured. Sadly I've been a teetotaller for a quarter of a century now.
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The vocal definitely sounds better on the March 25 version. It was difficult to make it out in the March 24 version. My ears are terrible but the instrument appears much better too and I can make out the individual instruments. I like the song and the ending. which made my tinnitus disappear temporarily. Temporary relief from Tinnitus - if only it could be stretched a little. Ringing isn't an accurate enough verb to become an adjective to describe it. Yes, I agree the retracking for the 25th made significant gains. Thanks!
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Liking the March 24 & the New vocals versions. Some in your face drive going on there. Pretty deep arrangement. moto Drive without overdrive (except on the bass) - the beauty of a Marshall 100watt head. Thanks.
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Ray, Sweet! Excellent job on putting this together. Last one is the winner for me. I would just complete it, using same setting and call it done. It does sound good. It is your call of course, but I would not put vocals deeper in the mix. They are in a good position. Don't overthink it Thank you for sharing. Misha. I agree with your good self and FJ that the fork should be in play BUT there's one option I have to explore before taking this bun from the oven. "Don't overthink it :)" hmmm, if only. Thanks Misha.
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Ray
Listened to the latest one a really strong sounding song. I think it's one of your best vocals more up front and assertive.
Excellent driving sound and a good overall mix.
Loved the feedback at the end.
Peter Feedback is our friend! Thanks Peter, The swap from Wiggles vocal to assertive vocal required an empty house.
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verse 3 6 (I) don't know what to do when 4 they ask why I 5 still make a noise 5 still play these toys? 5 Am I too old now? 4 Should I stop? chorus 5 7 The best that I can do is 4 The more I fight 4 Against the night 6 That more or less 3 No more is best 4 Not lying still 3 Before I die 3 And putrefy 3 It's clear that I Won't We liked it all but the above are our favs. As long as the wheels are turning don't stop. With us it is literally and figuratively with the bike riding. "the clearly hostile aspects have been removed" Really? Fine performance Ray on the axe, "Hofner" and vocals. Man, does that bass ever cut perfectly. Good one! J&B Thank you very much B & J. Yes, do until you can't and then do it some more.
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rayc,
Listened to the latest version I think (New Vocals—not comped yet), and like what I’m hearing very much. That driving, pounding drum is fantastic. The mix is solid and, for me, the vocals are sitting right where they should. Cool little punk rock tune—well done!
All my best,
Deej Thanks Deej, The drums are almost straight from BIAB...I did some EQ for more snare and less cymbal sizzle then sent the signal from that to a parallel track with a low pass at about 1k so I had more meat.
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Hi Ray. Wow! I love that opening... the "STOP" is brilliant! The driving rhythm really races along with a ton of energy. I'm pretty sure that anyone who listens to this would be hypnotized by feeling of that the backing creates. Great arrangement and presentation. This genre is one that I have little experience in. That said, I'd love to be able to come up with song like this. You've done an awesome job! All the best, --Noel
It all started with stops & holds in BIAB. Having worked at 80bpm for a couple of three songs I needed to rev a little. I'm pleased you like it Noel. Thanks.
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The bass is my knock off Hofner with a Klon clone ITB for some grit. Thanks for your kind words Marty.
You played this with a pic, right? Do you always?
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Hi Ray, I think I prefered your former songs more. Here you are hiding your vocals again behind the instruments. That's a pity, because the lyrics deserve a brighter and louder voice and -for me- even harmonics or doubles. The band is also not really expressive. No instrument claimed attention. If I may give this song a color, it would be close to grey. Sorry for this and I fear I make you angry, but because I've heard many good sounding songs from you, I know you can do better, much better. But... I only heard March 24 and not the previous one. And yes, I liked the lyrics, brought like a machinegun! When do we drink a rum together? Hans Hello Hans, for my money the vocals are far too forward and the inadequacies exposed but there ya go...difference don't have to make distances. Grey - not actually a colour but a tone - is good: aged hair, laden clouds, silent movies, old newsprint, fading photos...at least it's not gun metal. Is grey the metaphor of the expectations of age pummelled into a torrent of black water with a whining codger on top? I don't know - perhaps, maybe? Bass, drums, one guitar left, one right, an accent gtr & organs nearer the middle and no battle for dominance..but a cohort marching to the last resort? The whole thing is a quick n easy unlike a good O.P. rum meant to be sipper n savoured. Sadly I've been a teetotaller for a quarter of a century now. Well Ray, I'm very glad you didn't cancel me (yet). And I liked your reply a lot, except the last line...
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Hi rayc,
beautiful suite of chords always well thought out. The whole is pleasant. Well done.
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Cool tune Ray. Guitars vocal and bass work were excellent. Well done
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[quote=rayc] You played this with a pic, right? Do you always? Pick, fingers, thumb as required by the song but pick for this and most fast stuff.
Cheers rayc "What's so funny about peace, love & understanding?" - N.Lowe
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Hi rayc, beautiful suite of chords always well thought out. The whole is pleasant. Well done. Kindly regard Derochette alias JniJackFlash Thanks JJJ, Yet another excursion in A.
Cheers rayc "What's so funny about peace, love & understanding?" - N.Lowe
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Cool tune Ray. Guitars vocal and bass work were excellent. Well done Thanks Scott.
Cheers rayc "What's so funny about peace, love & understanding?" - N.Lowe
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Band-in-a-Box® 2024 German for Windows is Here!
Band-in-a-Box® 2024 für Windows Deutsch ist verfügbar!
Wir waren fleißig und haben über 50 neue Funktionen und eine erstaunliche Sammlung neuer Inhalte hinzugefügt, darunter 222 RealTracks, neue RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, "Songs with Vocals" Artist Performance Sets, abspielbare RealTracks Set 3, abspielbare RealDrums Set 2, zwei neue Sets von "RealDrums Stems", XPro Styles PAK 6, Xtra Styles PAK 17 und mehr!
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Update Your PowerTracks Pro Audio 2024 Today!
The Newest RealBand 2024 Update is Here!
The newest RealBand 2024 Build 5 update is now available!
Download and install this to your RealBand 2024 for updated print options, streamlined loading and saving of .SGU & MGU (BB) files, and to add a number of program adjustments that address user-reported bugs and concerns.
This free update is available to all RealBand 2024 users. To learn more about this update and download it, head to www.pgmusic.com/support.realband.htm#20245
The Band-in-a-Box® Flash Drive Backup Option
Today (April 5) is National Flash Drive Day!
Did you know... not only can you download your Band-in-a-Box® Pro, MegaPAK, or PlusPAK purchase - you can also choose to add a flash drive backup copy with the installation files for only $15? It even comes with a Band-in-a-Box® keychain!
For the larger Band-in-a-Box® packages (UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition), the hard drive backup copy is available for only $25. This will include a preinstalled and ready to use program, along with your installation files.
Backup copies are offered during the checkout process on our website.
Already purchased your e-delivery version, and now you wish you had a backup copy? It's not too late! If your purchase was for the current version of Band-in-a-Box®, you can still reach out to our team directly to place your backup copy order!
Note: the Band-in-a-Box® keychain is only included with flash drive backup copies, and cannot be purchased separately.
Handy flash drive tip: Always try plugging in a USB device the wrong way first? If your flash drive (or other USB plug) doesn't have a symbol to indicate which way is up, look for the side with a seam on the metal connector (it only has a line across one side) - that's the side that either faces down or to the left, depending on your port placement.
Update your Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows® Today!
Update your Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows for free with build 1111!
With this update, there's more control when saving images from the Print Preview window, we've added defaults to the MultiPicker for sorting and font size, updated printing options, updated RealTracks and other content, and addressed user-reported issues with the StylePicker, MIDI Soloists, key signature changes, and more!
Learn more about this free update for Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows at www.pgmusic.com/support_windowsupdates.htm#1111
Band-in-a-Box® 2024 Review: 4.75 out of 5 Stars!
If you're looking for a in-depth review of the newest Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows version, you'll definitely find it with Sound-Guy's latest review, Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows Review: Incredible new capabilities to experiment, compose, arrange and mix songs.
A few excerpts:
"The Tracks view is possibly the single most powerful addition in 2024 and opens up a new way to edit and generate accompaniments. Combined with the new MultiPicker Library Window, it makes BIAB nearly perfect as an 'intelligent' composer/arranger program."
"MIDI SuperTracks partial generation showing six variations – each time the section is generated it can be instantly auditioned, re-generated or backed out to a previous generation – and you can do this with any track type. This is MAJOR! This takes musical experimentation and honing an arrangement to a new level, and faster than ever."
"Band in a Box continues to be an expansive musical tool-set for both novice and experienced musicians to experiment, compose, arrange and mix songs, as well as an extensive educational resource. It is huge, with hundreds of functions, more than any one person is likely to ever use. Yet, so is any DAW that I have used. BIAB can do some things that no DAW does, and this year BIAB has more DAW-like functions than ever."
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