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There Ain't No Way


Di and I have been very sick since early January - somewhat better now. I've had two surgeries. I currently have a cast and metal rod from my fingertips to my shoulder - complete reconstruction of left elbow and wrist. Typing is quite a challenge! No guitar playing for at least 4 - 6 months.

Anyway, I don't have anything new to offer at the moment (a couple partially completed, though - still need vocals and mixing). This is the very first song we posted to the User's Forum in early 2012" We wrote it in 2011 using BIAB version 11.5. It's the third song we ever recoded using BIAB.

At the time, I knew absolutely nothing about mixing. So, there are issues there. But we no longer have the original stems, so all I had was the final stereo mix to "massage". But, we think it's a good song, so I thought I would resurrect it for the newer forum members to hear - big, ugly warts and all.

If I ever find a list of the original tracks, I'll post them. But I suggest not holding your breath. Hope the song is tolerably listenable.

PS: I owe a couple of forum members replies to PMs. I will get to those as soon as this cast and metal rod are removed (2 -3 weeks, they say). Di says "Hi" to all. I'll try to get some listens in but the comments will be very brief as this is a big, heavy cast and I only have finger tips to use. Thanks in advance.



There Ain't No Way
© 2011 Alan D. David, BMI / Diana Bowers, BMI – All Rights Reserved

(v1)
You never ask, but I know you have to wonder
If you’ll always be my heart’s only hunger
Well, don’t you worry, you’ll never have to grieve
You’re everything that I could ever need
When I’m feeling down, you’re my inspiration
When all is lost, you’re love is my salvation
I’ll never leave you, girl, there ain’t no way

(v2)
We both know, sometimes my eyes are lookin’
It’s nothing more, there ain’t nothing cookin’
Baby I know where my bread is buttered
My heart is locked, shackled up and shuttered
You’ll never have, to wonder bout me Baby
My love is real, ain’t no place for maybe
Girl I’ll never be untrue, there ain’t no way

CHORUS

Don’t you worry Honey, I’ll always be your man
If nothin’ else, I hope you understand
I ain’t goin’ nowhere, ain’t gonna play
No, there ain’t no way

INSTRUMENTAL

(v3)
Our love is Heaven, and you’re a perfect angel
Girl you’re so lovely, I wouldn’t want to change you
There’s not a thing, I need that you can’t give me
The love we share, is real not fake or glitzy
Oh it’s for real, no lies or pretensions
You always prove, the best of your intentions
So if you ever ask, there ain’t no way

REPEAT CHORUS

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Hi Al and Di,

So good to hear a song from you again.
Never mind it's a golden oldie.
We weren't on the forum 10 years ago, so it's new to us anyway laugh
We enjoyed listening to it!

We wish you and Di all the best and hope you'll recover soon.

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My word. You're overflowing with talent. What can I say. You are a master of melody - meaning that you can communicate a song such as this one in a manner that is pleasing to the ear without being trite. Really, loved it.

Wishing you, truly, the speediest of recoveries. You're a treasure to this board.

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Sounds great my friend!

Hope y'all both feel better soon!!

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Alan & Di,
Sorry to hear about health troubles. Hope your recovery goes well.

Well, this is new to me smile Love progression and arrangement! You "massaged" mix pretty well, feels complete and clean to my ears. I have a very long way to go training my ears to get similar sound.
Best to Di, and thank you for sharing.

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I'm sorry to hear about the rough patch in there. Prayers for continued recovery!

I've never heard this song before, so it's new to me. I totally dig the feel and groove of this song. You have some fun combinations of harmonic, melodic and rhythmic things going on. I liked the ride! Can I stay on for another go around? Seriously, what a good song all the way around.

By the way, I've always like how you can pull off the right amount of vibrato when you sing. It never sounds overdone and adds just enough interest to your phrasing.

Thanks for sharing this, and I'm fine with you posting some of your early material until you're back to where you need to be!

By the way, since typing is difficult for you at this time, please don't feel the need to reply. My comments are for you, not to get comments from you! smile I hope that helps a little.


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New to me - and it sounds great! smile


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Nice one...and nice to keep your "sound" in the forum...thanks for putting in the effort. Get well soon both of you.


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Another really nice delivery. Bright and uplifting, with a neat groove throughout.

Vocally, you keep shining with a consistent quality.

Incidentally, did someone had a birthday recently? There are some comments in the Off-topic section.


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Smoove Jazzy... I like this a lot.
Get well... Be well.


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Smoove Jazzy... I like this a lot.
Get well... Be well.


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Alan,

Funky-jazzy-R&B...sounds good.

Always good to see you drop in.

Best to you and Di!

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First I pray that you and Di get better soon.

Second this a super groovy jazz tune

You are a master on that guitar and a great vocalist

Two thumbs up


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Hi Alan,

I'm glad you are back on the forum. I was missing you and Di.
It is a sad thing to read how the both of you struggle with your health!
Of course I too hope things go well soon for Di and you.

About the song: an oldie that still sounds very good!
The way you sang it is very, very nice. Lots of temperament in it and also lots of pleasure I hear when you were singing.
You have to get that pleasure again, Alan! I hope it comes.

Nice day and greetings to Di,
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Originally Posted By: RnAM
Hi Al and Di,

So good to hear a song from you again.
Never mind it's a golden oldie.
We weren't on the forum 10 years ago, so it's new to us anyway laugh
We enjoyed listening to it!

We wish you and Di all the best and hope you'll recover soon.

Rob and Anne-Marie


Thanks so much! I appreciate your kind thoughts! Take care ...

Alan


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Originally Posted By: musician17
My word. You're overflowing with talent. What can I say. You are a master of melody - meaning that you can communicate a song such as this one in a manner that is pleasing to the ear without being trite. Really, loved it.

Wishing you, truly, the speediest of recoveries. You're a treasure to this board.


Hi James ...

Tis always a pleasure to hear from you! You are much too kind, but I'll learn to live with it! Thank you! Wishing you the very best ...

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Originally Posted By: David Snyder

Sounds great my friend!

Hope y'all both feel better soon!!



David ...

Many, many thanks. This early morning, we a re both feeling noticeably better! Please take care. Wishing you & your everything good.

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What a great day! I've been thinking of you a lot lately it seems. Glad to hear an update, and I hope you guys are improving every day. You can complain about the mix if you want, but I'm not with you on that. It sounds so good to me --probably because I missed you that much. I love the feel of this song, and the way you perform it. So good to hear you!!


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Originally Posted By: Rustyspoon#
Alan & Di,
Sorry to hear about health troubles. Hope your recovery goes well.

Well, this is new to me smile Love progression and arrangement! You "massaged" mix pretty well, feels complete and clean to my ears. I have a very long way to go training my ears to get similar sound.
Best to Di, and thank you for sharing.

Misha.


Hi Misha ...

So good to hear from you. Thanks you for the very nice comments. And your songs are always mixed exceptionally well - seriously. Thanks again ...

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Originally Posted By: HearToLearn
I'm sorry to hear about the rough patch in there. Prayers for continued recovery!

I've never heard this song before, so it's new to me. I totally dig the feel and groove of this song. You have some fun combinations of harmonic, melodic and rhythmic things going on. I liked the ride! Can I stay on for another go around? Seriously, what a good song all the way around.

By the way, I've always like how you can pull off the right amount of vibrato when you sing. It never sounds overdone and adds just enough interest to your phrasing.

Thanks for sharing this, and I'm fine with you posting some of your early material until you're back to where you need to be!

By the way, since typing is difficult for you at this time, please don't feel the need to reply. My comments are for you, not to get comments from you! smile I hope that helps a little.




Good Morning, Aaron ...

First, thanks for the well wishes. We appreciate them.

No charge for for additional rides - free refills! As far as the vocal vibrato - it's a self-taught element of my vocals. I struggle significantly with pitch, particularly on held notes. I find that by inducing a small amount of vibrato, I can better control my pitch. So it's something I do intentionally rather than my natural delivery. But, it seems to help. I'll probably repost a couple more older tunes until I can finish the ones in process.. Probably nothing more recent than 5 years ago.

Thanks for the very nice comments. Best to you & yours ...

Alan


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Originally Posted By: dcuny
New to me - and it sounds great! smile



Hi David ...

Many thanks for the listen and kind comments. We appreciate your time and kindness. Best to you ...

Alan


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Al, I missed you on the forum. I'm glad to hear you're on the mend.

Your song is very listenable and then some. Mix sounds fine to me. I'm glad you posted it because I wasn't here when you first posted it.

Take care.

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Originally Posted By: rayc
Nice one...and nice to keep your "sound" in the forum...thanks for putting in the effort. Get well soon both of you.


Hi Ray ...

Many thanks. We're trying like heck to get better! Best to you and yours ...

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Originally Posted By: AudioTrack
Another really nice delivery. Bright and uplifting, with a neat groove throughout.

Vocally, you keep shining with a consistent quality.

Incidentally, did someone had a birthday recently? There are some comments in the Off-topic section.


Hey AT ...

Many thanks for all the kindness. I'll head over to the off-topic forum in just a bit. I heard he's getting older than dirt! Take care ...

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Originally Posted By: bloc-head
Smoove Jazzy... I like this a lot.
Get well... Be well.


Hello BH ...

And I like your comment a lot. &0s RnB is one our very favorite genres. Many thanks! Wishing you the very best ...

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Originally Posted By: floyd jane
Alan,

Funky-jazzy-R&B...sounds good.

Always good to see you drop in.

Best to you and Di!

fj


Hi Floyd ...

Like I told Block Head, this is one of our favorite genres to write and perform in. Thanks for the well wishes. We're both doing quite a bit better. Take care ...

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Originally Posted By: MarioD
First I pray that you and Di get better soon.

Second this a super groovy jazz tune

You are a master on that guitar and a great vocalist

Two thumbs up



Hey Mario ...

Thanks for the prayers. We believe in them.

Actually that guitar is a BIAB RnB track. But I do like it a lot! I can give you only one thumb up - can't move my left thumb very much until this big-a$$ cast comes off. Wishing you the very best. Take care ...

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Originally Posted By: Birchwood
Hi Alan,

I'm glad you are back on the forum. I was missing you and Di.
It is a sad thing to read how the both of you struggle with your health!
Of course I too hope things go well soon for Di and you.

About the song: an oldie that still sounds very good!
The way you sang it is very, very nice. Lots of temperament in it and also lots of pleasure I hear when you were singing.
You have to get that pleasure again, Alan! I hope it comes.

Nice day and greetings to Di,
Hans


Hello Hans ...

It's always a great pleasure to hear from you. Di and I are doping quite a bit better - thanks!

I appreciate all the very nice words you have for us. Sure do appreciate that a lot! I hope to do more vocals soon.

Take care, my friend ...

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Originally Posted By: BabuMusic
What a great day! I've been thinking of you a lot lately it seems. Glad to hear an update, and I hope you guys are improving every day. You can complain about the mix if you want, but I'm not with you on that. It sounds so good to me --probably because I missed you that much. I love the feel of this song, and the way you perform it. So good to hear you!!



Hey Marty!

Well, how nice of you to have been thinking of us! Every time a hear a great bass line in a song, I think of you. You make a bass talk!

The biggest issue with the mix is the Sax should be near-centered and louder. I think everything else is pretty close. And thank so much for all the warm comments - much appreciated! Take care ...

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Originally Posted By: Ezekiel's Storm
Al, I missed you on the forum. I'm glad to hear you're on the mend.

Your song is very listenable and then some. Mix sounds fine to me. I'm glad you posted it because I wasn't here when you first posted it.

Take care.


Hi Ez!

And we've missed not being here. Thank you for that sentiment! And we're both improving from our illnesses. I hasve an appt with my ortho surgeon on Wednesday. I'm hoping he'll take this dang cast off!

Take care ...

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The song sounds good.

Sorry to hear about the medical stuff. Being sick is the pits.

I couldn't imagine not being able to pickup a guitar and play it for 6 months. Wow.

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First, we hope you both are feeling better and that your surgery recovery goes well.

We enjoyed this gem from the past! It sounds like you massaged the mix just fine.

Janice said, "If Di sang a response to this let's hear it!" smile

We’ve missed y’all and look forward to hearing more goodies!

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Thanks for posting that!
Best wishes and prayers over the health concerns. (ed)


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Hello Diana and Alan
First of all I wish you both a speedy recovery.
Good idea to activate the song again ;-)
The song is really good and sounds great
Your singing fits great to the song
It's fun to listen to the song
Hopefully you can soon record new songs again
Many greetings
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First, I must say, hope things start improving for you both.
My my, sounds like you're in a pretty challenging situation.
My best to you both.

About your song:
If there are wort's in that....I'll have to get out the microscope to find them.
Looks to me that your talent was in full bloom way back when you where just starting BIAB.

Nice song.
Thanks for dredging it up for us while you recuperate.

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Originally Posted By: Guitarhacker
The song sounds good.

Sorry to hear about the medical stuff. Being sick is the pits.

I couldn't imagine not being able to pickup a guitar and play it for 6 months. Wow.



Hello Herb ...

Glad ya like the song. I place it somewhere between Barry White and Al Green. And yeah, being sick sucks. You can bet your backside I'll be trying to do as little strumming in a few weeks. I turned 75 last week - and I've always picked u[p one of my guitars and practiced or just messed around on every single night for at least an hour. Only exceptions were when I was out of town or had an evening commitment. Take care ..

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Originally Posted By: Janice & Bud

First, we hope you both are feeling better and that your surgery recovery goes well.

We enjoyed this gem from the past! It sounds like you massaged the mix just fine.

Janice said, "If Di sang a response to this let's hear it!" smile

We’ve missed y’all and look forward to hearing more goodies!

J&B



Hey You Two ...

So nice to hear from you! Glad it sounds decent in your ears. As far as Di doing a reply to it, her health will have to improve quite a bit. She still messes around on that karaokie site from time to time - trying to build up her lung strength. But it's gonna be a long haul if it happens. Wishing you the very best ...

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Originally Posted By: edshaw
Thanks for posting that!
Best wishes and prayers over the health concerns. (ed)



HI Ed ...

It's always a real delight when you drop in for a listen and leave a comment. M<any thanks for the well wishes. We appreciate them ...

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Originally Posted By: PROJECT M
Hello Diana and Alan
First of all I wish you both a speedy recovery.
Good idea to activate the song again ;-)
The song is really good and sounds great
Your singing fits great to the song
It's fun to listen to the song
Hopefully you can soon record new songs again
Many greetings
Andi ;-)



Hello Andi ...

Thanks so much for the listen and very nice comments. Glad you like the song and the vocal. Thanks so much!

Bis Spaeter ...

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Originally Posted By: CaptainMoto
First, I must say, hope things start improving for you both.
My my, sounds like you're in a pretty challenging situation.
My best to you both.

About your song:
If there are wort's in that....I'll have to get out the microscope to find them.
Looks to me that your talent was in full bloom way back when you where just starting BIAB.

Nice song.
Thanks for dredging it up for us while you recuperate.

moto



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First, we appreciate the well wishes. We're both feeling better.

The biggest issue I have with the mix is that the sax solo should be centered and a bit louder. But I appreciate your kindness to our music ... as you always are. Take care ...

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Lovely tune Alan. So nice to revisit this tune. Hope you recovery is completely successful. Best wishes to Di as well.


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Alan,

Sorry to hear about health troubles.
Hope your recovery goes well.
The touch of jazz fusion is very comfortable.
The narrative vocal fits this song very well.
I also love this RealTracks style and I sometimes use it in my songs too.
Enjoyed my listen a lot.

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Lovely tune Alan. So nice to revisit this tune. Hope you recovery is completely successful. Best wishes to Di as well.


Hi Scott ...

Thanks a bunch! Glad you enjoy the revisit. medically, we're both doing better. My wrist and elbow surgery seems to be on the road to success. Both wrist and elbow are feeling better.

Take care .,.,.

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Originally Posted By: animarorecords
Alan,

Sorry to hear about health troubles.
Hope your recovery goes well.
The touch of jazz fusion is very comfortable.
The narrative vocal fits this song very well.
I also love this RealTracks style and I sometimes use it in my songs too.
Enjoyed my listen a lot.

Best regards.

Shigeki Adachi



Thanks so much, Shigeki! I, too, like that style a lot. And thanks for the nice comments on the vocal. I think they need some compression, though.

The recovery is coming along good - thanks!

Take care ...

Alan

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First hearing for me, Alan. Sounds great. Very best wishes to you both in your recovery.
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