I compose a song in BIAB. Instruments are: Guitar 1, Guitar 2, Piano, Bass, Drums.
Bar 1 is set in Bar Settings (F5) to mute all instruments, except Guitar 1. Bar 3 introduces Guitar 2. Bar 5 adds in Piano. Bar 7 drops in Bass.
And finally, Bar 8 plays All instruments, including Drums. (I may be wrong about the exact sequence but you get my drift. It's a gradual build up).
It plays as expected in BIAB. It renders out as expected as a WAV file.
However, when I Save A$ an SGU file and then import the SGU into Cubase (12 Pro) using the DAW plugin, and export as multiple Audio files, All instruments play from Bar 1.
I am stumped. Anybody smarter than me let me know what I'm doing wrong, please?
You have a good and clear problem description here. I can't help with this question, but I suggest this might get better attention in the appropriate platform Plugin forum.
Also, are you still running BIAB 2019 as it says in your signature, and tell us if you have a Windows version or a Mac version. What build #? You can find that in Help, About.
BIAB 2025 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 7 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6, Song Master Pro, Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus 192 & Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors.
The BIAB-VST has not always honored the F5 (bar setting changes) in .sgu files. This has changed on and off over the years, I suspect your version is one that does not.
Look for 2019 in the list and the only update listed is 644 .. this must have been the most stable and updated one for 2019 If you already have 644, then it likely won't help much, but if not, maybe there is a fix in that update.
Last edited by rharv; 06/15/2212:32 PM.
I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome Make your sound your own!
My workflow is to move everything, all tracks and all measures, into my DAW and use animation there to accomplish what you are trying to do. One reason is because of the little things like you are experiencing although I have not had that problem, but more important I have more control. If I change my mind about what order to introduce the tracks into the song I can. If I want to blend some tracks together during their introduction I can. I can change individual volumes. I can have very smooth introductions. Etc, Etc.
This is just the way I do things and it may or may not work for you.
Whenever I get something stuck in the back of my throat, I dislodge it by drinking a beer. It's called the Heineken Maneuver.
64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware
It didn't seem logical for there not to be a method to retain BIAB arrangements when opening a BIAB file in RealBand or the VST. It turns out there is a way to accomplish the task and BIAB arrangements can be done from the Bar Settings Menu, saved and subsequently opened and displayed correctly in the DAW VST or RealBand.
I'll share with any who may be interested, how to use Bar Settings in BIAB, save the project and open it with the correct arrangement in either the VST or RealBand. I successfully tested this process in both RealBand and the VST Stand alone.
I'll describe one track and a user will duplicate the steps for each additional track. Because the Drums aren't RealTracks, that track is done differently.
The Steps for the Bass to be muted on tracks 1-7 and begin on Bar 8:
* Mouse click on Bar 1 * Open Bar Settings (F5) * Select the RealTracks Button * Highlight Bass Track * Type 1152 in the "Change RealTracks to" Box and Ok to close the window * Click on Bar 8 * Open Bar Settings (F5) * Select the RealTracks Button * Highlight Bass Track * Type in 921 (or whatever your Bass instrument index number is )in the "Change RealTracks to" Box and Ok to close the window
When generated, this programs BIAB to have the Bass Track playing the '1152:silence' RealTrack for Bars 1-7 and transition to the original 921 Bass RealTrack at Bar 8. BIAB recognizes RT1152 as a RealTrack and also reads ahead and recognizes the transition between the two RealTracks and selects appropriate audio clips to create smooth endings and beginnings for a smooth transition without awkward or abrupt endings or beginnings.
Repeat the process steps for each additional Track as necessary.
Drums are not RealTracks so they do not respond to the RealTrack silence option located in the RealTracks menu.
To silence the Drums Track for Bars 1-8: Edit the RealDrums using the Audio Editor to silence Bars 1-8 and Save the file. This automatically Saves a WAV audio Track and names it in the same folder where the SGU file is located.
When the SGU file is opened in either RealBand or the VST, the entire drum track will be generated but the saved Drum Track arrangement can be imported into the RB or DAW project.
I've attached a photo from RealBand so forum members can see the generated tracks from a BIAB saved SGU file and how the BIAB 8 Bar opening has been retained.
Thank you all for the helpful suggestions. I managed to get it working as hoped.
I am much more comfortable using Cubase, to be honest. I simply loaded in the tracks as they were output from Realband, and then used the track volume control in Cubase to bring in each instrument over time.
Super simple. Super fast. Should've thought of that first.
Excellent, you found a workaround. Welcome to the club. Unfortuantley, that means simply not using the BIAB-VST!
I stand by what I had said, the BIAB-VST over the years has changed in its operation. So the version you are using is important in regards to being compatible with any of the F5 features, including changing a style, in BIAB.
Oh I still need to use the Realband(?) plugin to transfer the tracks across. It's just that it's easier to finesse the volume from within Cubase, rather than getting my knickers in a twist trying to get it sorted in BIAB. Thanks again for your helpful input.
OK, call me Doubting Thomas... Charlie does have some skills, but did this work in your case?
The strangest thing happened Dan. Mr. Henry has recently put out a new tutorial that demonstrates how this process I described above works in BIAB. The only difference is you select the RealTrack 1152 in the location you want muted.
This should work for everybody and there are benefits of using a RT rather than the Bar Settings Mute option. It's been verified in the past by PG Staff that using RT1152 causes the BIAB algorithm to recognize the transition and select audio clips to make "smooth transitions" (PG Music's term for all the things BIAB can do automatically using this process rather than the Bar Settings Mute)
Video: Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®: VST3 Plugin Support
Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac® now includes support for VST3 plugins, alongside VST and AU. Use them with MIDI or audio tracks for even more creative possibilities in your music production.
Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Macs®: VST3 Plugin Support
Video: Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®: Using VST3 Plugins
With the release of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac, we’re rolling out a collection of brand-new videos on our YouTube channel. We’ll also keep this forum post updated so you can easily find all the latest videos in one convenient spot.
From overviews of new features and walkthroughs of the 202 new RealTracks, to highlights of XPro Styles PAK 8, Xtra Styles PAKs 18, the 2025 49-PAK, and in-depth tutorials — you’ll find everything you need to explore what’s new in Band-in-a-Box® 2025.
Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac is here, packed with major new features and an incredible collection of available new content! This includes 202 RealTracks (in Sets 449-467), plus 20 bonus Unreleased RealTracks in the 2025 49-PAK. There are new RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, “Songs with Vocals” Artist Performance Sets, Playable RealTracks Set 4, two new sets of “RealDrums Stems,” XPro Styles PAK 8, Xtra Styles PAK 19, and more!
Special Offers
Upgrade to Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac with savings of up to 50% on most upgrade packages during our special—available until July 31, 2025! Visit our Band-in-a-Box® packages page for all the purchase options available.
2025 Free Bonus PAK & 49-PAK Add-ons
We've packed our Free Bonus PAK & 49-PAK with some incredible Add-ons! The Free Bonus PAK is automatically included with most Band-in-a-Box® for Mac 2025 packages, but for even more Add-ons (including 20 Unreleased RealTracks!) upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for only $49. You can see the full lists of items in each package, and listen to demos here.
If you have any questions, feel free to connect with us directly—we’re here to help!
Cari amici
È stata aggerate la versione in Italiano del programma più amato dagli appassionati di musica, il nostro Band-in-a-Box.
Questo è il link alla nuova versione 2025.
Di seguito i link per scaricare il pacchetti di lingua italiana aggiornati per Band-in-a-Box e RealBand, anche per chi avesse già comprato la nuova versione in inglese.
Band-in-a-Box® 2025 pour Windows est disponible en Français.
Le téléchargement se fait à partir du site PG Music
Pour ceux qui auraient déjà acheté la version 2025 de Band-in-a-Box (et qui donc ont une version anglaise), il est possible de "franciser" cette version avec les patchs suivants:
Band-in-a-Box 2025 für Windows Deutsch ist verfügbar!
Die deutsche Version Band-in-a-Box® 2025 für Windows ist ab sofort verfügbar!
Alle die bereits die englische Version von Band-in-a-Box und RealBand 2024 installiert haben, finden hier die Installationsdateien für das Sprachenupdate:
Update Your Band-in-a-Box® 2025 to Build 1128 for Windows Today!
Already using Band-in-a-Box 2025 for Windows®? Download Build 1128 now from our Support Page to enjoy the latest enhancements and improvements from our team.
One of our representatives will be happy to help you over the phone. Our hours of operation are from
6:00AM to 6:00PM PST (GMT -8) Monday thru Friday, and 8:00AM to 4:00PM PST Saturday. We are closed Sunday. You can also send us your questions via email.
One of our representatives will be happy to help you on our Live Chat or by email. Our hours of operation are from
6:00AM to 6:00PM PST (GMT -8) Monday thru Friday; 8:00AM to 4:00PM PST (GMT -8) Saturday; Closed Sunday.