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sooo my loverly wife wants to buy me a treat for upcoming b'day. ive been looking at lots of amp modeller pedals.
the guitar tone i'm always looking for is the brilliant sounds like cheap trik/acdc/38 special etc etc ie those classic tones.
(hate f^rting ttfft fuzzy settings on a lot of gear but i dont need clean either got lots of that.)
i am always searching for the classic tones.
but i dont want wife to spend much. also this stuff gets obso so fast....afore a new unit comes out.

SO 200 buks this NUX perhaps ??

https://www.nuxefx.com/mg-300.html

my retailer says i wont find better for the buckies.

yes i looked at the spark, trouble is i dont want to futz around useing a celphone tho' it looks grrreat.

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New Song "PRETTY GIRL" for my wife...Dec 2023
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(and rock song THE STALLION and bluegrass song... BANKER MAN....90 songs useing bb/rb.)
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That looks pretty cool and capable. I used to be against solid state and modelers. However, the technology and sound quality has become so good that they are hard to ignore. I have finally become a convert to modelers.

I'd check some user reviews first before spending the bucks to be sure it's everything you want and nothing you don't.

I recently bought a Spark40 modeler amp. 40Watts and bluetooth capable. Saves a bunch of presets and users can make presets and upload them to the cloud where others can download them for free. It's a bit more than your budget sand might be more than you want. I got it because it has over 40 amp models not counting the dozens of pedals. Personally, I love this thing. It has become my main studio amp. Everything from crystal shattering clean to nasty super distorted metal and everything in between. I run it direct into my interface as audio.

Happy Birthday!! Enjoy the pedal.


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I scanned the page and saw 9 Boss (Roland) pedal emulators .. that got my interest.
Then when I saw the mic sims included an SM57 on the cabinet (in varying positions) I got geeked
Unfortunately my birthday is a long way off frown
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GH.

I feel the gear manufacturers should actually ask for more input from us musos a lot more. Lots more interaction needs to take place.

For example it drives me bonkers taking my hands off the guitar constantly to fiddle around with menus and such n’ pedals..when i'm in the 'fast create' zone.

I think its time for alexa type command features as in…
‘Sparky gimme a hank marvin tone’ or ‘sparky gimme the lead tone on the lead break in 38 special hold on loosely’...etc etc
‘Sparky buy my wife a present for supporting my creative madness over the years and buying me gear for b’days n' xmas'..lol.
The above is true AI imho.

It drive me nuts currently also with a guitar modeller vsti i currently use, always mucking around with it and taking my hands off n’ on the guitar all the time to
Futz with menus.

does sparky give one all those great classic rok tones we all adore ? ie not the fizzies but not too clean either... with the bb metal rt's i find myself cleaning em' up often. cos i hate too much 'fizzes' in my metal or punk or classic rock. but i do like the comic strip 'get fuzzy'..lol cos reminds me a lot of a cat n' dog we once had.

GH happiness/best to you.
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will do. maybe i'm too demanding of gear.
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New Song "PRETTY GIRL" for my wife...Dec 2023
(my vocs....mixed for good earbuds.)
https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs/prettygirlrbfinalcalfsongsdec2023mp3
(and rock song THE STALLION and bluegrass song... BANKER MAN....90 songs useing bb/rb.)
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i heard some pretty nice demos on you tube..includeing halen n' may. just search 'you tube nux mg 300 rock'.

this bloke does a pretty interesting intro to the unit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tal_L_5STP4

still tho' with this unit you can get 'fuzzies' if thats what you want. but not for moi.
my conclusion is some pretty nice rock tones just sitting in the pocket good as well as clean tones.
might even be able to get marvin tones on it.

i'm still on the fence. gonna do more research.

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New Song "PRETTY GIRL" for my wife...Dec 2023
(my vocs....mixed for good earbuds.)
https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs/prettygirlrbfinalcalfsongsdec2023mp3
(and rock song THE STALLION and bluegrass song... BANKER MAN....90 songs useing bb/rb.)
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I like the modellers that have an amp. The Spark 40 looks interesting. I gig a lot with a quilter superblock. Its got a 25 watt amp. A tube equiv 25 watts. Plenty loud in a club.
I use 12” speaker i made from a bee brood box (pine).
Compact and sounds great
I mostly play pretty clean and the quilter has the clean tones (fender) perfect. The verb is nice also.

It also has a direct (xlr and 1/4) if I’m going into a PA.


I agree that the $2k modelling folks are going to feel some price pressure the next few years.


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Here's the same guy with the SPARK 40

I watched this and learned a few things. I use it strictly as an amp... but it does so much more....



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHa4Cyal-Ek

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Well sweetwater has an interesting 12 recommended rock pedals.
So i went thru each youtube demo.
The only one that cranked me up a bit was the evh 5150 pedal…but if i’m asking my wife to spend lots i expect more tone features.

As i cant find anything that totally cranks me up big time or has too many menus which i find frustrating…and as my b’day is imminent…and as wife derives great joy from not letting me play with a new toy till my b’day…lol…
And for short term use….

I’m gonna see what i can do with the little fender mustang micro which demos well, has thousands of likes and some nice sounds…, and with money saved i can order for my wife a present for putting up with my making songs craziness.

She is a total sweetheart ..and as i put on an anniversary card this year for her..…lmao
‘the women of the world would like to thank you for saving them from this crazy cockney music guy you put up with every day ’...

I’m gonna see what i can do with the micro plus some pedals n guitar vsti plug ins as well as amp models built into reaper etc.
Yep i reckon the 2k crowd will be undercut by new products in the coming few years. ..

GH..yep the spark is real nice, with oodles of tones/features, but i know i would get antsy dealing with the settings on a celphone. whereas the mustang micro might work for this keep it simple bloke.

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New Song "PRETTY GIRL" for my wife...Dec 2023
(my vocs....mixed for good earbuds.)
https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs/prettygirlrbfinalcalfsongsdec2023mp3
(and rock song THE STALLION and bluegrass song... BANKER MAN....90 songs useing bb/rb.)
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GH..yep the spark is real nice, with oodles of tones/features, but i know i would get antsy dealing with the settings on a celphone. whereas the mustang micro might work for this keep it simple bloke.




Simple is always good. It's how I played for the vast majority of my professional days on stage. On stage, it has to be reliable and not so complicated that you can't work it live. My main system was a guitar plugged into a tube amp with a cord. No pedals or FX other than the reverb in the amp.

The Spark is nice and I used it for a time with my phone app. It worked well but the screen and the controls were a bit small so I picked up an inexpensive BT capable tablet. Its much larger screen lets me see and work the controls a bit better now.

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GH.

You know what would be neat , and ive never seen ?
Either a YT vid or a pamphlet showing the settings to get all the old classic rock tones we all love on various platforms ie modellers like sparky or nux or line6 etc , and/or using vsti modeller plug ins.

To clarify…ive seen various vids dotted around the net and articles but no central collection per above.
Others can add to this, but i’m thinking guitar rhythm and lead tones from artists like…

..marvin shads
..halen panama lead break
..hendrix obviously
..knack my sharona nice lead break tone.
..benatars talented lead player / lead break on best shot.
..38 special loosely lead break tone
..doobies china grove lead break nice tone.
..acdc leads of course
And of course some of the bto and guess who tones.
And cheap trik budokan.

I ‘know ‘ ive missed many classics…but i think you get the idea GH.

What i’m saying is i like to play along with the classics for an hour or two,
But find i’m always spending loads of time futzing with settings instead of just having fun playing along with each song …and as i bring up a new song to play along with would just be nice to just tap on a tablet one time via simple menu ive entered of my favorite classic songs...
and bingo tone patch change.

Maybe i’m asking too much.


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Last edited by justanoldmuso; 07/12/22 08:50 AM.

New Song "PRETTY GIRL" for my wife...Dec 2023
(my vocs....mixed for good earbuds.)
https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs/prettygirlrbfinalcalfsongsdec2023mp3
(and rock song THE STALLION and bluegrass song... BANKER MAN....90 songs useing bb/rb.)
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Getting the Jimi Hendrix sound is easy. Take a Fender Stratocaster, restring it upside down, plug it into a Marshall Plexi....


....and give it to Jimi Hendrix. grin


Seriously, though, I honestly recommend finding your own tone instead of trying to sound like someone else because you never will.


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Hendrix tone - there's a pedal for that, Tony Iommi - there's a pedal for that, Brian May tone - there's a pedal for that etc.
Here's a chap who used AXE-FX & deoms lots of those sorts of sounds nad makes the patches available.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0gLRfQjF4A&list=PLKpnUcCpN28qu-YrpVPOZwtVJYupKGlpI

Hendrix & SRV - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMhVzPHUDco

EVH - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfUKFtUD39U

Then again, you could make a play list of all those Utbu vid you've watched about tone, sit down with you modeller and tweak/set up.

Sometimes it's about putting in the time n effort OR spending the money for someone to have done it for you.


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Byron.

i cant disagree with you. Your spot on.. , In fact let me add even the original ‘guitar heroes’ who played on the big hit record cant emulate ‘their tone' live sometimes.

Over the years ive seen a few of my personal ‘guitar heroes’ live…and been very deflated when some breezed through their lead breaks.
Often just a basic approximation to the one on the record. I got the impression of ‘lets just keep the punters happy’..lol.

To be fair Its different of course ‘in studio’ where one can take ones time over a lead break.

Otoh i HAVE been impressed by a few groups live….like…
Cheap trick being one and Steppenwolf another. To name a couple.
Steppenwollf had an amazeing young lead player prolly a session musician who totally blew me away live playing marshalls if i remember and i suspect some added pedals. Even my wife was full of praise which is rare for her.

Sometimes PBS in the states have some impressive live tv shows also.

sometimes even my wife would turn to me and say at a live show with one of my heros playing…‘thats not close to the record …right ?’...she was right.

Frankly i’m no great guitarist (isnt comping a great tool ..and editing and many takes..?..thank you computer…lol..)

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Rayc.

I’m not sure its a question of buying certain ‘gear’.
(also lots of folks dont have the funds for the gear).

Ive seen in the past articles that suggest that even if one buys ‘the gear’ to emulate ones ‘hero’....the person might be using a different guitar/pickups/strings etc etc from said 'hero'.. lets not forget the fingers used..people in big studios have told me the same.

Lets not forget also the big studio recording chain gear the ‘hero’ originally used OR he/she might have used a heavily modded/custom guitar or amp etc etc.

In conclusion there are a load of different factors from what ive read and been told imho.
Even myself , ive recorded a track one day …and recorded a guitar tone and went ‘yummy’. So i noted every darn single setting…et voila…next day same settings/nowt changed..i cant replicate it. Go fathom.
I call it ‘the demons of rock’ effect. Hmm…maybe i’ll record a song with that title.

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New Song "PRETTY GIRL" for my wife...Dec 2023
(my vocs....mixed for good earbuds.)
https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs/prettygirlrbfinalcalfsongsdec2023mp3
(and rock song THE STALLION and bluegrass song... BANKER MAN....90 songs useing bb/rb.)
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Originally Posted By: justanoldmuso
Byron.

i cant disagree with you. Your spot on.. , In fact let me add even the original ‘guitar heroes’ who played on the big hit record cant emulate ‘their tone' live sometimes.


Well, the sound you hear on the record is not the same as what was in the room.

Its been compressed, EQed, etc. Mic choice and placement makes a dramatic difference. Try playing around with that in Amplitube sometime.

Originally Posted By: justanoldmuso

Over the years ive seen a few of my personal ‘guitar heroes’ live…and been very deflated when some breezed through their lead breaks.
Often just a basic approximation to the one on the record. I got the impression of ‘lets just keep the punters happy’..lol.

To be fair Its different of course ‘in studio’ where one can take ones time over a lead break...



sometimes even my wife would turn to me and say at a live show with one of my heros playing…‘thats not close to the record …right ?’...she was right.



Most of the time, these guys are improvising. Of course its gonna be different.

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Actually......

Spark has come out with a HENDRIX package....However, some of the amps are in the original setup.

Regarding the rest....

If you simply go to the TONE CLOUD for Spark... type in the name of a song or the name of the artist... you will get a bunch of preset tones that you can download and instantly get that sound you are looking for.

For example..... AC/DC... and the tone from Back in Black...or perhaps Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap..... there's a number of them. I like to DL a few, test them out, decide if I like them, because obviously, I'm not doing a cover of BiB, but I might want to use that tone in the new country song I'm working on..... so I find one I like, edit it to my liking....and save it with an overwrite and I'm ready to rock. Jason Aldea, Joe Walsh, Satriani, Beck, You name it... and it's likely there.

You can get the Spark app and explore this before you ever buy it..... however, you need the spark to hear it. But you can look around. See what's there. Listen on Youtube to some of the folks who create the tone preset and hear it on their rigs.


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GH.
WOW MATE great info re 'sparky'//tonecloud etc
thank you sooo much.

mebe its my own fault i dont have lots of patience lol.

well my mustang micro just arrived from amazon.
gonna see how it performs. but my lovely wife wont let me open it till b'day next week. we like to do this cos it gives her a fun few days dangling a present.
her and her mates always say 'boys with toys'.lmao.

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ps re ACDC yep i love em'. i'll prolly get next iteration of sparky if a nice price.

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New Song "PRETTY GIRL" for my wife...Dec 2023
(my vocs....mixed for good earbuds.)
https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs/prettygirlrbfinalcalfsongsdec2023mp3
(and rock song THE STALLION and bluegrass song... BANKER MAN....90 songs useing bb/rb.)
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AC/DC tones are also really easy to nail.

Take a Gibson SG plugged straight into a Plexi Super Lead and a Gretsch Firebird plugged into a Plexi Super Bass and hand them to Angus and Malcolm Young respectively.


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GH.
WOW MATE great info re 'sparky'//tonecloud etc
thank you sooo much.



ps re ACDC yep i love em'. i'll prolly get next iteration of sparky if a nice price.


Spark has released a Spark Mini. It's not as big or as powerful as the Spark 40 BUT.... it has all the same tone cloud access. A buddy of mine has both the Spark 40 and just got the mini and he commented that he loves the spark mini and it has quickly become his favorite and says the tone is freaking amazing.


If you like AC/DC... grab your best headphones, your favorite beverage, and watch this.....



Full concert and it rocks.....!!!!


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GH.

Re ac dc argentina vid.

too many superlatives for it. Its amazing what acdc does with simple beats often.
And how they can deliver live, but lots of big names cant.
To be fair performing live can be very wearing, particularly as one ages. (except for the triangle player…lol.) donnington live was great too.

Would love to hear that vid thru’ a pair of 10k corner klipschorns a mate once had n’ play along with it.
Speakers today are too wimpy. Small woofer cones…jeesh.
Often the ones you want you cant afford. Same with cars.


Darn, you just had to point me to that vid didnt ya ??. …lol.

you just had to make me wanna get my rok mojo/urge all cranked up to do a new rok song. Didn't ya ?..lol.

I told my wife tis time for a new rok song, she thinks i’m crazy anyway since we met at a function after my amp blew up years ago.
(i did warn her first week we were together…she wouldnt listen..lmao)
She bought me a mustang for b’day not car..lol. Fender micro.

That acdc rock snare sound (with oomph) is what i’m always looking for.
Often find it difficult to get. Drives me nuts. But gonna see if i condition a biab rd.

Was thinkin of a title like ‘ i warned her’ or ‘she’s so bad (in a good way)’.....or
‘she only wants to rok n’ tease’. or ‘brunettes with red lipstick’ or …
’rock girls with guitars rule’... lol gonna google n see if any those titles are taken.
Tell me if you like any title that appeals. Or if you hate em all..i can take it..
Twas just off the cuff titles on the fly anyway as i was typing this.

If it turns out a junk rok effort on my part at least will be a fun journey.

You just had to get me going didnt ya GH ???? ..lol
Now i’m off to biab/rb all excited n’ cranked up. Loads of work to do.

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New Song "PRETTY GIRL" for my wife...Dec 2023
(my vocs....mixed for good earbuds.)
https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs/prettygirlrbfinalcalfsongsdec2023mp3
(and rock song THE STALLION and bluegrass song... BANKER MAN....90 songs useing bb/rb.)
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The AC/DC gig...good sound, good playing but I can't stand Brian's squeal n shout.
AC/DC were a pop rock band in Australia when they hit the charts...they played dances, they played the circuit and became too big so didn't fit the pub circuit when it emerged.
Their best songs are still the Malcolm/Bonn ones for me and the best sounding albums were produced by Vanda & Young as it was they who FOUND the sound for the band. The Albert's Studios had a "sound" that was cultivated from the top down.

I highly recommend that you search for a decent rendering of the doco. It's about guitar tone.
Part one is fun but the rest is best.

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If you're looking for a in-depth review of the newest Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows version, you'll definitely find it with Sound-Guy's latest review, Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows Review: Incredible new capabilities to experiment, compose, arrange and mix songs.

A few excerpts:
"The Tracks view is possibly the single most powerful addition in 2024 and opens up a new way to edit and generate accompaniments. Combined with the new MultiPicker Library Window, it makes BIAB nearly perfect as an 'intelligent' composer/arranger program."

"MIDI SuperTracks partial generation showing six variations – each time the section is generated it can be instantly auditioned, re-generated or backed out to a previous generation – and you can do this with any track type. This is MAJOR! This takes musical experimentation and honing an arrangement to a new level, and faster than ever."

"Band in a Box continues to be an expansive musical tool-set for both novice and experienced musicians to experiment, compose, arrange and mix songs, as well as an extensive educational resource. It is huge, with hundreds of functions, more than any one person is likely to ever use. Yet, so is any DAW that I have used. BIAB can do some things that no DAW does, and this year BIAB has more DAW-like functions than ever."

Convenient Ways to Listen to Band-in-a-Box® Songs Created by Program Users!

The User Showcase Forum is an excellent place to share your Band-in-a-Box® songs and listen to songs other program users are creating!

There are other places you can listen to these songs too! Visit our User Showcase page to sort by genre, artist (forum name), song title, and date - each listing will direct you to the forum post for that song.

If you'd rather listen to these songs in one place, head to our Band-in-a-Box® Radio, where you'll have the option to select the genre playlist for your listening pleasure. This page has SoundCloud built in, so it won't redirect you. We've also added the link to the Artists SoundCloud page here, and a link to their forum post.

We hope you find some inspiration from this amazing collection of User Showcase Songs!

Congratulations to the 2023 User Showcase Award Winners!

We've just announced the 2023 User Showcase Award Winners!

There are 45 winners, each receiving a Band-in-a-Box 2024 UltraPAK! Read the official announcement to see if you've won.

Our User Showcase Forum receives more than 50 posts per day, with people sharing their Band-in-a-Box songs and providing feedback for other songs posted.

Thank you to everyone who has contributed!

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