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Everybody's Cheatin'I literally put this together in about 2 hours last night. I guess you could call it an ALT Blues Rock. It's the first time I've used any of the lap steel RTs. Glad I did - like it quite a bit. Mastered it using Soundcloud's Mastering Service. My last 6 songs were mastered in the same way. I've been happy with it. Did I pan the rhythm guitars to far left and right? Sometimes I think so; other times I kinda like it. I saved the song a little bit too loud, I think. Whatcha think? File:Everybody's Cheatin'.SGU Key=Dm , Tempo 110, Length (m:s)=2:45 Style is _TENSTEP.STY (Ten Step Bluesy Ctry Boogie Solo) RealTracks in style: 1418:Bass, Electric, SouthernRock Ev16 085 RealTracks in style: 2905:Guitar, Electric, Rhythm BrightBluesyPopColin Ev 100 RealTracks in style: 2625:Guitar, Baritone Electric, Rhythm BluesBoogieBassAndLicks Ev 100 RealTracks in style: 3689:Guitar, Lap Steel, Soloist Funky70s Ev 100 RealDrums in Song: ElecHats4s[single]^1-Hats4Busy RealDrums in Song: TambourineEven8ths RealDrums in style:DrivingPop8ths^05-a:HiHat, QuarterKick, b:Open Hat, Snare
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Hey Al...cool tune...I love the lap steel lead...I think the mix is great...I'm listening through headphones and it sounds like a good stage...I think your panning is fine...so...using BiaB as we do is "everybody cheatin'" just a bit?  I know I'm not going to quit...don't think you will either...cause we love what we're doing!! Great use of the Band (in a Box)!
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Al,
You are a master of progressions and arrangements. Fantastic work, especially considering the time it took you. This is more done in a form of a song than instrumental, so all you need is a vocalist. Otherwise it sounds perfect and finished to me. I don't think it is loud. Thank you for sharing.
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Hey there Al, this is not fair! It takes me forever to come up with something barely presentable - and you can put something like this together in a couple of hours! I really liked this sound. As much as I love pedal steel, I don't like lap steel nearly as often. I'm going to have to be more open minded and check these tracks out. I really like what you pulled out of it!
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Nothing jumped out in the mix as unbalanced. Easy listening blues!
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Hey Al,
I noticed the hard-panned guitar right away, but I really like it and don't know why it isn't done more often. As others have said, this sounds like it's ready for a vocal! Good work, I'm working on a straight blues myself right now, getting back to my roots as it were.
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Alan,
This sounds great. I think the arrangement and mix is excellent. Love the track selection.
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Hi, Al!! The Blues is meant to be played loud. A friend of mine plays pedal steel, but, man, you got this guy to rock out some good blues. Great Blues. Love the baritone too --heck the whole band is just perfect. Yes, I like the space the panned guitars provide. Really fun Blues progression. That was definitely two hours well spent, Al.
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Impressive. Pity that I have only two thumbs to elevate - this production deserves more.
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Nice flow and perfect dynamics, you got this one perfect. Thanks for posting, I just stopped in to drop one of my tunes and decided to listen to your song, glad I did. Great listen.
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Hey Al...cool tune...I love the lap steel lead...I think the mix is great...I'm listening through headphones and it sounds like a good stage...I think your panning is fine...so...using BiaB as we do is "everybody cheatin'" just a bit? I know I'm not going to quit...don't think you will either...cause we love what we're doing!! Great use of the Band (in a Box)! Hi Dan ... Thanks for the listen and feedback. And nope, not gonna quit. I'll be 76 on my next birthday. Age is a number - it's what you do behind that number that matters. I played professionally for almost 55 years. Seven or eight years ago I began losing feeling in my left hand. Until recently I had almost no tactile sensation my fingers of that hand. I total reconstructive elbow surgery earlier this year and the feeling is starting to return. Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for letting me know. Alan
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Al,
You are a master of progressions and arrangements. Fantastic work, especially considering the time it took you. This is more done in a form of a song than instrumental, so all you need is a vocalist. Otherwise it sounds perfect and finished to me. I don't think it is loud. Thank you for sharing.
Misha. Hi Misha ... Not sure I'm the master of anything, but I appreciate the nice comment. I don't have a voice for this style of music - and a lot of other styles. My wife, formerly a fabulous singer, is no longer able to sing at that level any more - declining general health and early dementia. So I'm pretty much stuck with the instrumental version. Thanks again for the listen very nice comments. Alan
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Hey there Al, this is not fair! It takes me forever to come up with something barely presentable - and you can put something like this together in a couple of hours! I really liked this sound. As much as I love pedal steel, I don't like lap steel nearly as often. I'm going to have to be more open minded and check these tracks out. I really like what you pulled out of it! Hi Brad ... Many thanks for your kind words. My favorite instrument is the pedal steel. I think it can induce more passion, upbeat or sad, than any other instrument. But UI have to admit these lap steel RTs are pretty dang good! I've posted mostly instrumentals in the 8 or 9 years I've been on the forum. Although there have been several exceptions, most of them took less than 6 hours to create and post. Chord progressions just seem to come to me naturally = although the often require some tweaking. Anyway, thanks for the visit and kindness. Alan
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Nothing jumped out in the mix as unbalanced. Easy listening blues! Hi David ... Thanks for dropp9ng in for a listen. Glad it sounds okay. I appreciate the feedback. Alan
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We liked the mix and the soundstage it presents - would not change a thing.
The lap steep was a good choice.
Those licks have a very melodic feel.
And as always with you the chord progression and arrangement are top notch.
Enjoyed it!
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Alan,
Wow, you did this in two hours? Jeez, it's sad how long it takes me to do a song . . . and they never sound as clean and complete as this one does. Outstanding tune. Nicely done!
All my best to you,
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Alan this is some fantastic blues!
Super choice of instruments that were blended together perfectly.
Loved it
PS - I doesn't need a singer!
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2 hours huh! Alan, that would have taken me a couple of days to put together! You are one of the absolute best at using realtracks and making them work in a super cohesive manner! Thanks, Torrey
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Hi Alan,
No the guitars are panned just right - typically in a busy mix you would pan L/R around 35 to 40.
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Hi Al
Sounds really great
The mastering service is really cool
I already used it when I didn't know what to do ;-)
Sehr gute Arbeit, Al
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Sounds great, Alan. Always a pleasure to listen to your compositions.
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Hey Al,
I noticed the hard-panned guitar right away, but I really like it and don't know why it isn't done more often. As others have said, this sounds like it's ready for a vocal! Good work, I'm working on a straight blues myself right now, getting back to my roots as it were. Hi Bob ... Glad you liked it and the arrangement. Good luck with your travel back to your musical roots! Alan
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Alan,
This sounds great. I think the arrangement and mix is excellent. Love the track selection.
Bob Thanks so much, Bob! Thanks for y90ur time and very nice words! Alan
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Hi, Al!! The Blues is meant to be played loud. A friend of mine plays pedal steel, but, man, you got this guy to rock out some good blues. Great Blues. Love the baritone too --heck the whole band is just perfect. Yes, I like the space the panned guitars provide. Really fun Blues progression. That was definitely two hours well spent, Al.
Hey Marty ... Many thanks, my friend! Pedal steel is my all time favorite instrument. there's hardly a feeling/mood it can't capture. Thanks for the very nice input. Take care. Alan
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Impressive. Pity that I have only two thumbs to elevate - this production deserves more. Hi Brain ... Thanks so much! That's awfully nice of you to say. Uh ... check eBay. They might have a couple of thumbs for sale! Alan
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Nice flow and perfect dynamics, you got this one perfect. Thanks for posting, I just stopped in to drop one of my tunes and decided to listen to your song, glad I did. Great listen.
Rick Hi Rick ... Thanks for dropping in for a listen. I appreciate all those really nice comments! I'll be headed over to your song in just a bit. Looking forward to it. Alan
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We liked the mix and the soundstage it presents - would not change a thing.
The lap steep was a good choice.
Those licks have a very melodic feel.
And as always with you the chord progression and arrangement are top notch.
Enjoyed it!
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Hey Folks ... Glad this one sets okay in your ears. I've always been a pedal steel fan. but this lap steel RT quickly persuaded it can rock, too! Thanks for the visit and kind words. Alan
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Alan,
Wow, you did this in two hours? Jeez, it's sad how long it takes me to do a song . . . and they never sound as clean and complete as this one does. Outstanding tune. Nicely done!
All my best to you,
Deej Hi Deej ... Yep - just under two hours. Being a caretaker for a wife with dementia and keeping the house running is a full time job - have to use my time as efficiently as possible. Actually most of my posts (the few with vocals take a bit longer) are done, inception to posting on Soundcloud, in 6 hours or less, usually about 4 hours. Glad ya liked it. Thanks for letting me know! Alan
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Alan this is some fantastic blues!
Super choice of instruments that were blended together perfectly.
Loved it
PS - I doesn't need a singer!
Hey Mario! Always a pleasure when you stop in for a visit. We guys closing in on the octogenarian category gotta stick together! Nice to hear it all works for you. Thanks for the super feedback. Alan
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2 hours huh! Alan, that would have taken me a couple of days to put together! You are one of the absolute best at using realtracks and making them work in a super cohesive manner! Thanks, Torrey Hi Torrey ... You really are much too kind! And I thank you very much for the sup[port and great feedback. if you were using nothing but BIAB tools, I'm sure you could have done this at least as quickly as I did - probably sound better, too! Take care ... Alan
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Hi Alan,
No the guitars are panned just right - typically in a busy mix you would pan L/R around 35 to 40.
Best Regards
Nigel Hi Nigel ... Hope all is well in NZ. And many thanks for the very kind feedback. Sure do appreciate it! Alan
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Hi Al
Sounds really great
The mastering service is really cool
I already used it when I didn't know what to do ;-)
Sehr gute Arbeit, Al
Viele Grüße
Andi ;-) Hallo Andi! Ich danke dir so viel! Thank you very much! Alan
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Sounds great, Alan. Always a pleasure to listen to your compositions.
Regards,
Leon Hi Leon ... Thank you very much. And the pleasure goes both ways! Best to you ... Alan
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Great feel, I got in and enjoyed the ride. very nice, Thanks for sharing
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Really cool progression and arrangement. Enjoyed this from start to finish.
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Wow..... really good jam.
The lap steel really reminded me of David Lindley and the tone he had on Jackson Brown's Running on Empty album.
Yeah, that jam worked well for me. Nicely done.
EDIT: regarding the panning of guitars. On my speakers, I couldn't really tell much about the panning. The only time panning too far is a problem is if the playback mode is mono and it's not a combination of the 2 channels.
On practically all my songs I tend to put the rhythm guitars 100% right or left, generally with 2 guitars and each recorded uniquely. No cloning. My latest song is a good example of that. Rhythm guitars are close but not exactly the same and they are panned 100% opposite each other. This gives a very wide and full sound to those instruments. You can also do this with say a piano and a guitar playing a rhythm part. It balances the stereo spread or sound stage. I saw something about mixing recently that confirmed what I have been doing. The individual was saying that you shouldn't be afraid to commit to hard panning. I also do the same thing on vocals to thicken them up. Again.... I did this on my last song. The panned vox are considerably lower in the mix than the main vox. Harmonies are around 50% IIRC in that song. I wanted them to blend more rather than stand apart.
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Sounds good in the cans. Leave it alone and do it again on the next one.
Regarding loud: As long as you don't compress the crap out of it, which it looks like you didn't.... let it roll. I'd rather have a loud mix with dynamics in it any day over something weak sounding. Whatever you did.... it worked.
I caught a brief glimpse of "Jackie Blue" in there towards the end.
Last edited by Guitarhacker; 09/05/22 05:27 AM.
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Al,
That is some sweet, fast work with Biab.
Panning sounds right to me and the lap steel zips around the brain beautifully.
Enjoyed!
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Alan,
another great listen.
The mix is really good.
You are a BIAB Pro!!
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I rarely use a steel guitar, usually it just doesn't sound right... but in this song it is the star, works really well. I had to try that one in one of my WIP blues rock songs and seems to be a good fit. And you can always trust on that baritone guitar. Great mix, the drums rock hard. Beautifully working chord progression, as always, no cheatin'.
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I like the mix and the instrumentation.
And no, you can't pan the rhythm guitars too far left and right, they are supposed to live out there.
100% left, 100% right and balance with levels to taste. Instant wide stereo field in 2 minutes.
The song is pretty cool with the very good arrangement. I could see it working well with vocals, but it also works very well on its own.
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Hi Alan & Di,
Nice instrumental composition. all the ingredients are there to please. I appreciate.
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