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MultiRiff for RealDrums #730250 09/03/22 01:20 AM Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
Joined: Oct 2018 Posts: 184 M Mike02392 OP Apprentice
OP Mike02392 Apprentice M Joined: Oct 2018 Posts: 184	Simple request - please extend MultiRiffs to drum tracks! It's by far the most useful addition to BiaB in the years I've been using it, but it's a little frustrating not to have the same control over the drum tracks. Sorry if this has been requested already (I'd be surprised if it hasn't), but couldn't find anything on a search.

Re: MultiRiff for RealDrums Mike02392 #730254 09/03/22 03:19 AM Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 23,145 Hamlin NY MarioD Veteran
MarioD Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 23,145 Hamlin NY	This is a good idea for those whom use RDs so +1 Whenever I get something stuck in the back of my throat, I dislodge it by drinking a beer. It's called the Heineken Maneuver. 64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware

Re: MultiRiff for RealDrums MarioD #730258 09/03/22 03:42 AM Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
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justanoldmuso Veteran J Joined: Jan 2020 Posts: 3,456	re Drums. please see my past wishes in the wishes fora and includeing being able to load drum sounds into a sample player triggered..say in realband. om Last edited by justanoldmuso; 09/03/22 03:43 AM. my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs (90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)

Re: MultiRiff for RealDrums Mike02392 #735651 10/20/22 12:34 PM Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 3,110 M musocity Veteran
musocity Veteran M Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 3,110	If you have reaper this will give you total control of what drum track you need. Super Easy Drum Editing Video

Re: MultiRiff for RealDrums Mike02392 #735663 10/20/22 03:03 PM Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
Joined: Mar 2018 Posts: 6,732 Rustyspoon# Veteran
Rustyspoon# Veteran Joined: Mar 2018 Posts: 6,732	+1 A silly question, do existing RD's have enough material for those Multi Riffs? Hmm... Even if not, there might be a way to make something up with combination of A/B parts and separate drum stems of RD's for Multiriff variety.

Re: MultiRiff for RealDrums Mike02392 #735906 10/22/22 09:13 PM Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
Joined: Apr 2016 Posts: 6,921 Cooran Queensland Australia rayc Veteran
rayc Veteran Joined: Apr 2016 Posts: 6,921 Cooran Queensland Australia	YES PLUS more, more, more multitrack versions. Cheers rayc "What's so funny about peace, love & understanding?" - N.Lowe

Re: MultiRiff for RealDrums Mike02392 #742409 12/04/22 04:35 AM Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
Joined: Oct 2018 Posts: 184 M Mike02392 OP Apprentice
OP Mike02392 Apprentice M Joined: Oct 2018 Posts: 184	Before I upgrade to 2023, can anyone confirm whether this feature has been added? Couldn't see it in the summary of new features, but hoping it's been snuck in...

Re: MultiRiff for RealDrums Mike02392 #742509 12/04/22 12:16 PM Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
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musocity Veteran M Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 3,110	It's not working in the floating Alt+F8 window, not sure if they will be adding that soon in a fix or it will be next year ? There is an F5 control to put a fill where you like or take one out. Attached Files (Click to download or enlarge) (Only available when you are logged in) BB23-RealDrum-Riffs-Not-Yet.png (87.02 KB, 187 downloads)

Re: MultiRiff for RealDrums musocity #742625 12/05/22 02:31 AM Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
Joined: Oct 2018 Posts: 184 M Mike02392 OP Apprentice
OP Mike02392 Apprentice M Joined: Oct 2018 Posts: 184	Originally Posted By: musocity It's not working in the floating Alt+F8 window, not sure if they will be adding that soon in a fix or it will be next year ? There is an F5 control to put a fill where you like or take one out. Thanks for that - helpful response! But very disappointed that it's not been included in the new version. It would be good to at least have a response from PG Music about this, because at the moment I can't see any reason why RealTracks can be partially regenerated but not RealDrums? Are they particularly different? They seem to be the same thing in essence.

Re: MultiRiff for RealDrums Mike02392 #742642 12/05/22 04:40 AM Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
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Cerio Expert C Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,541 Spain	Originally Posted By: Mike02392 Originally Posted By: musocity It's not working in the floating Alt+F8 window, not sure if they will be adding that soon in a fix or it will be next year ? There is an F5 control to put a fill where you like or take one out. It would be good to at least have a response from PG Music about this, because at the moment I can't see any reason why RealTracks can be partially regenerated but not RealDrums? Are they particularly different? They seem to be the same thing in essence. I suspect this is due to the way the program has evolved over time, realdrums were introduced before realtracks and both features were developed independently. But yes, I agree with the fact that, as much as possible, both should behave the same manner and share the same pickers and options. The fact that there are so many different track types (each one using different pickers, filters, options and features not because a design decision but because the way they have been introduced over time) is, IMO, one of the main reasons why people consider BIAB a difficult and counter-intuitive program. So yes, +1 here (and yes, this has been asked before) Last edited by Cerio; 12/05/22 11:14 AM. Latest BIAB version, latest build.

Re: MultiRiff for RealDrums Mike02392 #742764 12/05/22 11:09 AM Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
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musocity Veteran M Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 3,110	Same with a UseTrack: Originally Posted By: musocity The Button Main RT Alt RT should change when the selected track is a UserTrack or RealDrums Main RT Alt RT Main RD Alt RD Main UT Alt UT

Re: MultiRiff for RealDrums musocity #742855 12/05/22 04:23 PM Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
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musocity Veteran M Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 3,110	I hope the Drum Riffs and UserTrack riffs are put in before next year. If not here a few options: In Realband you have more control but it takes so much longer, if it was made to work like Reaper it would be INSTANT. Zoom++ Having the sfz sample sets now for RealDrums this should work well: RealDrum Solos, Rolls If you just generate up DRUMSOLJ.STY export the midi drum file and import it to a Utility track in the Biab with RealDrums, set a section where you want a solo by enabling Playable Track then copy and paste the notes in from the midi drum solo that is on the Utility track, you can solo the Util track to find the riff you like. Zoom++ Biab Drums in Reaper will give full editing control https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=260677 https://www.dropbox.com/s/4mu71bmk1d2a8hf/Reaper-Biab-Drums-GUI.mp4?dl=0 Zoom++ Biab Track Injector https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=264293 https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=716019&page=all https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=717674#Post717674 Drums Video: https://www.dropbox.com/s/rj3xsgdacivjjis/Reaper-Biab-Track-Injector-05.mp4?dl=0

Re: MultiRiff for RealDrums Mike02392 #742903 12/06/22 04:05 AM Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
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MikeK Veteran Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,610 Buford, GA	I'd love to see this functionality as well! +1 Cheers, Mike My Music * Asus ROG Strix G15CF 32 GB DDR4 4TB HDD + 1 TB SSD NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 8GB Win 11 AKAI EIE PRO Sound Interface. BIAB/RB 2024 UltraPak Build - Latest

Re: MultiRiff for RealDrums Mike02392 #791702 12/24/23 06:55 AM Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
Joined: Oct 2018 Posts: 184 M Mike02392 OP Apprentice
OP Mike02392 Apprentice M Joined: Oct 2018 Posts: 184	I don't think this has been added in the 2024 update I thought I'd read somewhere that it had, but I can't seem to do it so re-requesting.

Re: MultiRiff for RealDrums Mike02392 #792031 12/27/23 04:16 AM Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 128 L Lee N Apprentice
Lee N Apprentice L Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 128	Originally Posted by Mike02392 I don't think this has been added in the 2024 update I thought I'd read somewhere that it had, but I can't seem to do it so re-requesting. It has been added and advertised as a new feature, but it doesn't work, it just regenerates the entire drum track.

Re: MultiRiff for RealDrums Mike02392 #835073 12/20/24 04:49 PM Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
Joined: Oct 2018 Posts: 184 M Mike02392 OP Apprentice
OP Mike02392 Apprentice M Joined: Oct 2018 Posts: 184	Disappointed to see this hasn't been included in the 2025 update. Can still only partially regenerate RealTracks, not RealDrums

Re: MultiRiff for RealDrums

Mike02392 #836199 12/28/24 09:56 PM

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You can use the RealTrack Edit Mode now to cut copy move resize, though you can't copy the section to a new track, if it had that then you could build up your drum track just how you like.

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I made up one for Reaper that you could add a drum riff but the source tracks had riffs recorded in them

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I don't know how you would do the multiriff drums as they just play patterns for different sections see text below of a drum style.

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wavename=CountrySwing_120_Style.wav
OFFSET=-12
dbAdjust=-10
MULTIBARPATTERNPERCENT=60
Pushamount8=40
Pushamount16=30
pattern,Count-in,0,5,0,2,-1  
pattern,PostFill,a,6,0,8,1   ;8 bars
pattern,PostFill,a,6,0,8,9
pattern,PostFill,a,6,0,8,17
pattern,Normal,a,1,2,7,2   ;7 bars
pattern,Normal,a,1,2,7,10
pattern,Normal,a,1,2,7,18
pattern,Normal,a,1,2,7,10
pattern,Normal,a,1,2,7,18
pattern,Normal,a,5,3,6,3   ;6 bars
pattern,Normal,a,5,2,6,2
pattern,Normal,a,5,3,6,11
pattern,Normal,a,5,3,6,19
pattern,Normal,a,5,4,5,4   ;5 bars
pattern,Normal,a,5,8,5,12
pattern,Normal,a,5,4,5,20
pattern,PostFill,a,6,0,4,1   ;4 bars
pattern,Normal,a,5,1,4,5
pattern,Normal,a,5,2,4,2
pattern,Normal,a,5,3,4,3
pattern,Normal,a,5,4,4,4
pattern,Normal,a,5,5,4,5
pattern,PostFill,a,6,0,4,5
pattern,PostFill,a,6,0,4,9
pattern,Normal,a,5,5,4,13
pattern,PostFill,a,6,0,4,17
pattern,Normal,a,5,1,4,21
pattern,PostFill,a,6,0,4,21
pattern,Normal,a,5,2,3,2     ;3 bars
pattern,Normal,a,5,2,3,6
pattern,Normal,a,5,2,3,10
pattern,PostFill,a,6,0,2,1   ;2 bars
pattern,PostFill,a,6,0,2,2
pattern,Normal,a,5,0,2,2
pattern,Normal,a,5,1,2,3
pattern,Normal,a,5,2,2,4
pattern,PostFill,a,6,0,2,5
pattern,Normal,a,5,5,2,5
pattern,Normal,a,5,2,2,6
pattern,Normal,a,5,6,2,6
pattern,Normal,a,5,3,2,7
pattern,PostFill,a,6,0,2,9 
pattern,PostFill,a,6,0,2,11
pattern,Normal,a,5,3,2,11
pattern,Normal,a,5,1,2,13
pattern,Normal,a,2,3,2,15
pattern,PreFill,a,5,0,2,15
pattern,PostFill,a,6,0,2,17
pattern,Normal,a,3,3,2,19
pattern,Normal,a,5,1,2,21
pattern,Normal,a,3,3,2,23
pattern,PreFill,a,5,0,2,23
pattern,PostFill,a,6,0,1,1   ;1 bar
pattern,PostFill,a,6,0,1,2
pattern,Normal,a,5,2,1,2
pattern,Normal,a,5,0,1,2
pattern,Normal,a,5,3,1,3
pattern,Normal,a,5,0,1,3
pattern,Normal,a,5,4,1,4
pattern,Normal,a,5,1,1,5
pattern,Normal,a,5,2,1,6
pattern,Normal,a,5,3,1,7
pattern,Normal,a,5,4,1,8
pattern,Normal,a,5,5,1,5
pattern,Normal,a,5,6,1,6
pattern,Normal,a,5,7,1,7
pattern,Normal,a,5,8,1,8
pattern,Normal,a,5,0,1,5
pattern,Normal,a,5,0,1,6
pattern,Normal,a,5,0,1,7
pattern,Normal,a,5,0,1,8
pattern,Normal,a,5,1,1,9
pattern,Normal,a,5,2,1,10
pattern,Normal,a,5,3,1,11
pattern,Normal,a,5,4,1,12
pattern,Normal,a,5,1,1,13
pattern,Normal,a,5,2,1,14
pattern,Normal,a,5,3,1,15
pattern,Fill,a,5,0,1,16
pattern,PostFill,a,6,0,1,17
pattern,Normal,a,5,0,1,18
pattern,Normal,a,5,0,1,19
pattern,Normal,a,5,4,1,20
pattern,Normal,a,5,1,1,21
pattern,Normal,a,5,2,1,22
pattern,Normal,a,5,3,1,23
pattern,Normal,a,3,4,1,24
pattern,Fill,a,5,0,1,24
;B section
pattern,PostFill,b,6,0,8,25
pattern,PostFill,b,6,0,8,33   ;8 bars
pattern,PostFill,b,6,0,8,41
;pattern,Normal,b,3,2,7,26   ;7 bars
;pattern,Normal,b,3,2,7,34
;pattern,Normal,b,3,2,7,42
;pattern,Normal,b,3,6,7,34
;pattern,Normal,b,3,6,7,42
;pattern,Normal,b,3,3,6,27   ;6 bars
;pattern,Normal,b,3,3,6,35  
;pattern,Normal,b,3,3,6,43
;pattern,Normal,b,3,7,6,43
;pattern,Normal,b,3,4,5,28   ;5 bars
;pattern,Normal,b,3,4,5,36   
;pattern,Normal,b,3,4,5,44
pattern,PostFill,b,2,0,4,25 ;4 bars
pattern,PostFill,b,2,0,4,29
pattern,PostFill,b,2,0,4,33
pattern,PostFill,b,2,0,4,37
pattern,PostFill,b,2,0,4,41
pattern,PostFill,b,6,0,4,45
pattern,PostFill,b,8,0,2,25   ;2 bars
pattern,PreFill,b,5,0,2,27
pattern,PostFill,b,1,0,2,29 
;pattern,Normal,b,5,1,2,30
;pattern,Normal,b,5,0,2,30
;pattern,Normal,b,5,3,2,30
;pattern,Normal,b,5,5,2,30
pattern,PreFill,b,5,0,2,31
pattern,PostFill,b,4,0,2,33
;pattern,Normal,b,5,1,2,34  
;pattern,Normal,b,5,0,2,34
pattern,PreFill,b,5,0,2,35
pattern,PostFill,b,2,0,2,37
pattern,PostFill,b,2,0,2,34
pattern,PreFill,b,5,0,2,39
pattern,PostFill,b,6,0,2,41
pattern,PreFill,b,5,0,2,43
pattern,PostFill,b,6,0,2,45
pattern,PreFill,b,5,3,2,47
pattern,PostFill,b,6,0,1,25   ;1 bar
pattern,PostFill,b,6,0,1,26
pattern,Normal,b,5,2,1,26
pattern,Normal,b,5,0,1,26
pattern,Normal,b,5,3,1,27
pattern,Normal,b,5,0,1,27
pattern,Fill,b,5,0,1,28
pattern,PostFill,b,6,0,1,29
pattern,PostFill,b,6,0,1,30
pattern,Normal,b,5,2,1,30
pattern,Normal,b,5,0,1,30
pattern,Normal,b,5,3,1,31
pattern,Normal,b,5,0,1,31
pattern,Fill,b,5,0,1,32
pattern,PostFill,b,6,0,1,33   
pattern,Normal,b,5,2,1,34
pattern,Normal,b,5,0,1,34
pattern,Normal,b,5,3,1,35
pattern,Fill,b,5,0,1,36
pattern,PostFill,b,6,0,1,37
pattern,Normal,b,5,2,1,38
pattern,Normal,b,5,3,1,39
pattern,Fill,b,5,0,1,40
pattern,PostFill,b,6,0,1,41
pattern,Normal,b,5,2,1,42
pattern,Normal,b,5,3,1,43
pattern,Fill,b,5,0,1,44
pattern,PostFill,b,6,0,1,45
pattern,Normal,b,5,2,1,46
pattern,Normal,b,5,3,1,47
pattern,Fill,b,5,0,1,48
pattern,Ending,0,5,0,2,49    ;2 bars
pattern,Ending,0,5,0,2,51    ;2 bars 
pattern,Fill,a,5,0,1,53
pattern,Fill,a,5,0,1,54
pattern,Fill,b,5,0,1,55
pattern,Fill,b,5,0,1,56
Shot,0,56,478,344,5,110   ;kick
Shot,0,57,343,248,3,100   ;snare
Shot,1,58,112,340,3,80   ;crash and kick 1
Shot,1,59,412,440,3,80   ;crash and Snare
Shot,1,61,226,400,4,90   ;crash2 and kick 
Shot,1,57,343,230,1,100   ;snare

;this style uses 65 bars. 20 megs

Re: MultiRiff for RealDrums Mike02392 #836334 12/29/24 07:47 PM Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 128 L Lee N Apprentice
Lee N Apprentice L Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 128	Originally Posted by Mike02392 Disappointed to see this hasn't been included in the 2025 update. Can still only partially regenerate RealTracks, not RealDrums It did get fixed in 2024 version but is only available from Realdrums in the multipicker. It sort of works but not great. I'm not bothering with 2025 but there's no mention of it being improved so it's probably done and forgotten with now.

Re: MultiRiff for RealDrums musocity #836339 12/29/24 10:18 PM Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
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musocity Veteran M Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 3,110	You can use DRUMSOLJ.STY and Force Midi Drums, you can generate up a midi drum solo track in another instance of Biab with PlayableRealDrums enabled, play through to find the riffs or rolls you like then just highlight those bars on the Chord Sheet, now drag the Drum track at the top of BB to the MID Drop, when green drag and drop into the other instance of Biab choose the track and position and check "Merge with existing data". You can import any section from any midi file drums you may have. You can also use a VST like EZDrummer, just drag export the midi solos from Biab DRUMSOLJ.STY into EZDrummer users library. You can change the Sforzando VST in the PayableRealDrums track to EZDrummer and it will play the midi drums in the EZDrummer track where you have the green mute sections in the BB Piano Roll, if you want the same sample set as Sforzando then you need to use ElementVST to chain Sforzando with the same sample set it was using after EZDrummer and set EZDrummer to just send it's midi out to Sforzando. As we still can't chain VSTi in Biab VST Handling Fixes Needed See EZKeys EZBass EZDrummer Jamstix Playable RealTracks

Re: MultiRiff for RealDrums Mike02392 #838042 01/08/25 05:18 PM Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
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OP Mike02392 Apprentice M Joined: Oct 2018 Posts: 184	Thanks for the suggestions, folks. I do already have my workaround which is just to export a bunch of regens into my DAW and select the parts I like from different takes, but it would be so much faster for my workflow if I could just F8 it like I do with the RealTracks.

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