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So, amid all this yak yak yak, is anyone actually running BIAB over LINUX? Forum member Gordon Scott tested Band-in-a-Box for Windows on Linux. The main issue Gordon encountered is the Windows version relies on the Windows Media Player for some audio playback functions such as midi chord audio playback to preview a chord while in the Chordbuilder window. Gordon has five or six posts in this thread if you wish to private message or contact him.
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So, amid all this yak yak yak, is anyone actually running BIAB over LINUX? Forum member Gordon Scott tested Band-in-a-Box for Windows on Linux. The main issue Gordon encountered is the Windows version relies on the Windows Media Player for some audio playback functions such as midi chord audio playback to preview a chord while in the Chordbuilder window. Gordon has five or six posts in this thread if you wish to private message or contact him. I’m reading that answer as “not successfully”. If so, why all this time spent discussing some $30 ARM device that runs LINUX? I spent a lot of years working in UNIX and am pretty familiar with it but I have little interest in the hobbyist aspects of personal computing. I want my boxes running applications with minimal problems. I am nowhere near affluent but Price has never been my motivator. Time spent fiddling about making drivers and such work is time not spent getting work done that makes my living.
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Mike (all). RE ..you said 'why all this time spent discussing some $30 ARM device that runs LINUX?' let me answer that…as follows. there are lots of poor people in the world who would like to realise their dream of producing a song idea they had. but due to the cost of different hardware/software platforms they cant. so in my book its exciting when low cost platforms come out. like the PI and Innovato etc etc. particularly as there is NOW quite a lot of decent production software for linux…eg……check out ardour sometime. https://www.tecmint.com/free-music-creation-or-audio-editing-softwares-for-linux/frankly i find it all exciting. let me explain why. altho' i was born in the UK, my early childhood was spent in Africa with my parents. (i had a very interesting childhood ) many people on these forums can afford a nice recording 2k rig. but many people in africa and other countries just cant. i feel its exciting if inexpensive products provide the capability for poor people to produce their songs. in summary imho these are exciting times. it used to be only the 'big boys' could afford 'the toys'. if biab and realband worked on the PI for example i would be over the moon. Some companies like Reaper and Waveform already work on the PI. maybe they see a market ?? happiness om
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So, amid all this yak yak yak, is anyone actually running BIAB over LINUX? Forum member Gordon Scott tested Band-in-a-Box for Windows on Linux. The main issue Gordon encountered is the Windows version relies on the Windows Media Player for some audio playback functions such as midi chord audio playback to preview a chord while in the Chordbuilder window. Gordon has five or six posts in this thread if you wish to private message or contact him. I’m reading that answer as “not successfully”. If so, why all this time spent discussing some $30 ARM device that runs LINUX? I spent a lot of years working in UNIX and am pretty familiar with it but I have little interest in the hobbyist aspects of personal computing. I want my boxes running applications with minimal problems. I am nowhere near affluent but Price has never been my motivator. Time spent fiddling about making drivers and such work is time not spent getting work done that makes my living. Where is the "like" button?
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So, amid all this yak yak yak, is anyone actually running BIAB over LINUX? Yes, I am, as also is pipeline. It's imperfect and there's a bit of fiddling to do, but it runs pretty well.
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So, amid all this yak yak yak, is anyone actually running BIAB over LINUX? User Gordon Scott mentioned (above): I have both BiaB and RealBand running on Linux, though there are a few issues, mostly around the lack of Windows Media Player and a few minor issues relating to dialog boxes.
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It's understandable that people don't read through everything if they don't have a direct interest in the subject.
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Gordon.
a question ...how well does reaps run in linux ??
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...how well does reaps run in linux ?? It seems good to me, but I'm not sure how to evaluate that. I could set up a project and compare between Linux with Windows, but I'm not wholly sure what to compare. It was well-received ages back when it ran only under wine. Your Reaper license allows you to download and install any version: Win/Mac/Linux. I did spend a while looking around for comparisons, mostly in the Reaper fora, but there was little recent and meaningful. People seem to be happy; a few claimed faster on Linux, but no real recent data; several people pleased to get away from disruptions due to Win10's updates system. FWIW I can't recall any Windows VSTs that I have that have not worked on Linux via yabridge, though I don't have that many. Yabridge is a wrapper that puts the VST inside a Linux library shim, so new VSTs need "introducing" to yabridge. Once set up that's pretty painless. Some of the downloader+installer programs need bypassing ... Kontakt's downloader fails to install some things, but probably only because it doesn't know how to mount .iso files in Linux. There's a slightly fiddly way to do that with them ... an extra step that isn't normally needed. Similarly PGM's downloader application doesn't install, but I just download the files and install them manually. Hmm ... I've just gone to download the latest version of Reaper ... I'm not sure how I feel about installing version 6.66 
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Forum member Gordon Scott tested Band-in-a-Box for Windows on Linux. The main issue Gordon encountered is the Windows version relies on the Windows Media Player for some audio playback functions such as midi chord audio playback to preview a chord while in the Chordbuilder window. I’m reading that answer as “not successfully”. [/quote] It's understandable that people don't read through everything if they don't have a direct interest in the subject. Which does include me.... Yes, successfully, apart from a minor issue of not being able to audition styles using the built-in demos, which don't play. But then I find the built-in demos less useful than trying with my own chord progressions anyway, so that barely bothers me. For me, as I work almost entirely on Linux for almost everything I do, that's a very small price to pay for not having to reboot into Windows to use BiaB. Others will see that differently. I've never used the ChordBuilder window, so can't comment ... Hmmm (noises off) OK, I have now and can confirm that the chord builder doesn't play.
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Gordon.
thanks for the reaper info. nice !
wait for the lucky 7's version maybe .
call it the reaper vegas casino version...lol.
SO…all we need now is biab to work properly under linux with no issues and that would make me happy and get me away from win. if rb worked also ..big bonus.
thanks also for the handling of vst's info.
i guess the pg dx plug ins i like cant be used in linux ?
have you ever tried running rb in linux ?
the more i look at it , would seem that the AVlinux distro might be the way to go.
yep i'm aware of the reaps licence cross platform, and yet another reason (of many) i like reaps. and i have a proper reaps licence of course.
happiness....and thanks again.
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have you ever tried running rb in linux ? I've just tried it a bit, but I don't normally use RealBand, so don't know what I'm doing. Two early observations, though: 1) It seems to find only two of the DXi/VSTi synths I have ... CoyoteWT and Kontakt. BiaB finds also Reaktor 6, sforzando, VSTSynthFont64 and EZdrummer. (Neither find the Linux-native VSTs, which I guess is unsurprising. Linux-native Reaper finds them all, of course) 2) At a first try, I have a style apparently playing, but I get no readings on the master volume level meters and no sound. That may well be just because I don't know what I'm doing, or it may be indicative of a problem. FYI, looking through the VST instruments that Reaper finds, I see both VST2 and VST3 versions of Scaler 2, which is a Windows VSTi that neither BiaB nor RB found, so there's something fishy about their VST handling. If find EZBass and EZKeys, but both are expired trials, so perhaps BiaB/RB not showing them is smart. I may try to explore things more later.
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Gordon. thanks for the info . very good of you. ..have you tried ardour in linux ? it looks very nice plus plug in support. looks like its come a long way. i'm impressed. https://ardour.org/…this week ive been checking out mini pc's that run both win and linux. eg.. https://www.amazon.ca/Fanless-Windows-HUNSN-4USB3-0-4USB2-0/dp/B07GPR4DYR?th=1lots of ports on above (8 usb). so could run external m2/nvme in an external enclosure i guess. ideally i want one that has 2 x internal m2/nvme ssd. ideally fanless or low noise so no pick up from mics. ..btw when one is running biab in linux does the. stylepicker come up ok as well as the rt and rd pickers ? all i would need actually is the rt//rd choice in the bb chord view and the ability to... (after laying out my chords in chord view) replace existing rt//rd's in chord view using the pickers. ie testing out in chord view how various rt's//rd's might work in a song. ..oops forgot to ask , can one use the ultrapak shipped drive work over usb without install on the internal drive ? ps one thing i like bout rb is right clik over a trak and get many generating options. does this work in linux ? best. om
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..have you tried ardour in linux ? it looks very nice plus plug in support.
looks like its come a long way. i'm impressed. Ardour and I believe Audacity came from Linux-based projects and have over time migrated to the other platforms. Ardour is the DAW on which Harrison Consoles base their Mixbus and Mixbus32, and Harrison have long been major contributors to Ardour's progress. I used Ardour at the start, but now mostly use Reaper or Mixbus, sometimes my Ui24R hardware mixer. Ardour is very popular, both with the free-software guys and those that are comfortable with paying. I'm in the latter group. I'll often make donations for the free stuff, too. …this week ive been checking out mini pc's that run both win and linux A client of my R&D work has been using the base "LattePanda V1" for a year or so now. They used to use a PC104 board and Win95-embedded, but are now moving Win10 https://www.lattepanda.com/..oops forgot to ask , can one use the ultrapak shipped drive work over usb without install on the internal drive ? : Because of the lack of a working Windows Media Player, running on Linux requires all the RealTracks to be WAV files. That means that the Audiophile edition should probably run OK from the USB drive, but a non-audiophile edition needs the .WMA files expanded to .WAV, and they'll end up as around 1.7TB of data. I don't see any reason why it shouldn't run on a 2TB USB drive. IIRC I did that for a while before deciding to get an extra SATA drive for BiaB, which drive I formatted to NTFS so that both Linux and Windows can use it. Linux is fine with NTFS, but Windows doesn't understand ext4, which is the usual disc format for Linux. I have found that rebuilding the databases in Wine+Linux causes the Win10 copy to ask for a rebuild and vice versa. I'm not sure why ... some file age test somewhere, I guess. I imagine the same would happen if one used a dual-boot Win10 and Win11 machine. If it's a file thing, I can 'touch' the date; if it's Windows registry, I'll leave well alone.
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Great info as always Gordon. I have no need to experiment again at this time with Linux, but for those reading who do, I thought I might clarify a few points.
Gordon’s mention of expanding WMA BIAB files to WAV can be done by a utility in Options, RealTracks. I think there is similar in RealDrums. As he said, the resulting file size is huge, as it expands by a factor of around 11, so you need a 2 TB drive to do this. Plus, the WMA files are all still there. Also, just because they are WAV files doesn’t make them audiophile quality; they are just the same compressed quality sound as before (which, I admit, isn’t bad in most cases; for more about that, real my sticky article in Tips and Tricks).
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Thanks Matt.
All correct.
FWIW, I used the program ffmpeg on Linux to expand the files as I can then do the whole lot in one command and just leave it to get on with it. Probably I should create a Makefile or a smarter script to manage that process, so that it only expands files that aren't already expanded. I'm fairly sure PGM use libffmpeg internally to do similar.
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... I'm fairly sure PGM use libffmpeg internally to do similar. Good question.
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They definitely use it; here as a .dll bb/Data/DownloadManager/ffmpeg.dll bb/Data/InstallManager/ffmpeg.dll and also appear to reference it within most bbw*.exe files (INSTR_FFMPEG), though that's using just a crude string search within the .exe files. PGM could be doing all manner of things with it. ffmpeg is a very fast video and audio converter that can also grab from a live audio/video source. It can also convert between arbitrary sample rates and resize video on the fly with a high quality polyphase filter.
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Thanks for looking under the hood.
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Gordon. i'm curious. you said you moved from ardour to reaps. what aspects of reaps do you like over ardour ? i was an early user of reaps , and have been a big fan. just curious. yep harrison nice consoles…big lad stuff. some of these mini pc prices are getting crazylow for what they are.. pretty soon if the trend continues pg could give one away with paks installed. i saw a review of a new beelink today for a tad over 200 buks …but has a celeron. but the m2 transfer read//write speeds were nice and way more than needed i'm sure to run bb and rb i'm sure. pity it dont have at least a i3 12300 level processor. <<more i read bout such i'm impressed, particular the single thread passmark over 3k which is way better than most older music production pc's that many people are using..crikey i once did load of songs using powertraks on a blinkin athlon. check these industrial pc's out.. https://www.onlogic.com/computers/industrial/fanless/helix-500-600/lots of neat stuff coming out. best om
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