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Hello Folks,
I posted a version of this song a few months back...it was while waiting for a chap who wanted to sing it to do so but, after nine months of life getting in the way of that I decided to finish the thing myself. I sent the version you may have heard to my M.E. and he suggested redoing the vocals but to do them very differently.
There are two variations on this final piece - one is longer than the other and that one includes two "dramatic" bits that may be counter productive. The M.E. thinks the shorter one is the way to proceed and I respect his view but I'd also like the opinion of a couple of more sets of ears n eyes that I trust before committing to ONE version.
The song form was decided in BIAB but there's nothing left from that process other than the form.
Drums are care of Drums On Demand
The rest is my fault - sorry.
Vantage Bass -> Behringer BDI21 -> a cross over filter to eliminate some of the low end as the chorus is a droning low E with the riff over it
Squire Bullet Mustang guitar -> Actone amp in a box pedal
Lead parts were the same but with a trem added
Vocals are an AT2020 with manual de-essing and not much else.
I experimented with a plugin/VST called Vola to try to get some consistency of level across the five different vocal tracks but I had to do an huge amount of automation writing as well.

PLEASE, if you have the time & interest listen to the two versions and let me know whether the short or the long is better from a narrative/suspense perspective.
ANY/ALL comments welcome...I did apply comments from the original version to this mix.

SHORT

LONG


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This is my favorite PBEx song/production.
Everything about it is WELL done.

LOVE the drums. A great sound.
The James-Bond-ish guitar riff works exceptionally well.
Killer Bass sound (and playing)
The rhythm guitars at 2:11 (ish) are superb.

Vocal is JUST RIGHT. Ominous, but not menacing. No lyric sheet required. PERFECTLY mixed.

The little ping-ponging pause (1:30-ish) is a delight.

Actually, I think EITHER version works.
I wondered how that ending foley would sound/work if it came right on the last (dissonant) guitar note???
But it was effective as is (just wondered)


EXCELLENT work. All around. Heck of a write.

(got a real kick out of the still from Perfect Strangers (TV show))

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Hi Ray, I'm not the best to offer an opinion on this genre of music, so I'm sure I'm not one of the voices you'd want to trust. If I had to choose though, I think I'd go with the longer version. I also liked the ping-ponging you did, and the shot at the song was unexpected. I hope it does well for you,

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Starts like a Bond theme played by "The Cure"... I like that. A lot!

Really cool song, and the mix is really good too.

I personally prefer the shorter version, but my "get out of your comfort zone" challenge for this year is "tell it in less than 3 minutes", so take my choice with a grain of salt.


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Originally Posted By: floyd jane
This is my favorite PBEx song/production.
Everything about it is WELL done.
LOVE the drums. A great sound.
The James-Bond-ish guitar riff works exceptionally well.
Killer Bass sound (and playing)
The rhythm guitars at 2:11 (ish) are superb.
Vocal is JUST RIGHT. Ominous, but not menacing. No lyric sheet required. PERFECTLY mixed.
The little ping-ponging pause (1:30-ish) is a delight.
Actually, I think EITHER version works.
I wondered how that ending foley would sound/work if it came right on the last (dissonant) guitar note???
But it was effective as is (just wondered)
EXCELLENT work. All around. Heck of a write.
(got a real kick out of the still from Perfect Strangers (TV show))
fj

Thanks fj,
I'm pleased you like the bass...it was quite a task getting the tone right against the DOD kick & I wasn't confident I'd managed it.
I actually used this song to experiment with little production tricks like reverse guitar to make swells leading to changes, punching a hole & filling it with delays etc. I was worried I'd over done it with such things & the foley. I did try that where you suggested but again worried about gratuitousness and decided to put it right on the end so I could cut it if/when I decided I'd overdone it.


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Originally Posted By: Brad Williams
Hi Ray, I'm not the best to offer an opinion on this genre of music, so I'm sure I'm not one of the voices you'd want to trust. If I had to choose though, I think I'd go with the longer version. I also liked the ping-ponging you did, and the shot at the song was unexpected. I hope it does well for you,
Brad

Hello Brad,
It's fine - I don't look to genre definitions & mandates when writing or in commentary/suggestions. A good set of ears and the vocab to tell me what you hear right n wrong are what counts.


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Originally Posted By: B.D.Thomas
Starts like a Bond theme played by "The Cure"... I like that. A lot!
Really cool song, and the mix is really good too.
I personally prefer the shorter version, but my "get out of your comfort zone" challenge for this year is "tell it in less than 3 minutes", so take my choice with a grain of salt.

Thanks B.D.,
I was lucky enough to see The Cure on their 1st pub tour of Australia and again for the theater tour of Pornography. The former was exhilarating and the latter a little too oppressive.
A vote for short!


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Yes, I think this is one of your best, for me you hit a nice gestalt with this one that worked very well. I really like that ACtone pedal, I know some locals who use one and just plug into the PA instead of lugging around an amp. Your vocals, I'm so glad to hear you finally bringing the levels up. All that automation writing, have you ever considered Waves Vocal Rider? Or Melda Productions MVolume. Might save you a lot of time. I hate writing volume levels, I just won't do it anymore. Some voices don't work well with Vocal Rider, but I think yours would.

As far as choosing a vid, I pick the longer one. I might like to hear the last few guitar notes with some more effects since they're out there naked and on their own. But not critical.


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Originally Posted By: TuneMonger
All that automation writing, have you ever considered Waves Vocal Rider? Or Melda Productions MVolume.

Thank you sir,
My DAW computer is off line and dongle free, plus I'm not a fan of subscription services so I don't use Waves stuff.
There is a process within Reaper to ride levels but it's a little convoluted - additionally there is at least one "rider" plug for Reaper that's been written by a user. I've not taken the time or effort to suss these out properly but will.
Again, thanks.


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Hi Ray
That is really cool
Sounds fantastic
Incredibly good Ray
Many greetings
Andi ;-)

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Originally Posted By: PROJECT M
Hi Ray
That is really cool
Sounds fantastic
Incredibly good Ray
Many greetings
Andi ;-)

Thank you Andy,
You are very generous.


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I found the short one on YT the other day. Didn't know there was a long one. Just listened again to the short one for a better comparison with the long. Man, I love that bass!!! You did an outstanding job and I appreciate you explaining your process, but I noticed the "long" one was one second shorter than the "short" one. Not sure what M. E. is. Medical Examiner? Nah. Anyway, about the song. Man, I love it, and I really enjoy watching the video. Everything is so creative. You're like a mad scientist, and quite a talented fellow.


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Hi rayc,

Personally, I prefer the short version. But the mix of the second has my preference in terms of reverb in particular. Otherwise, it's superb well done and I enjoyed it. Well done.

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Originally Posted By: BabuMusic
I found the short one on YT the other day. Didn't know there was a long one. Just listened again to the short one for a better comparison with the long. Man, I love that bass!!! You did an outstanding job and I appreciate you explaining your process, but I noticed the "long" one was one second shorter than the "short" one. Not sure what M. E. is. Medical Examiner? Nah. Anyway, about the song. Man, I love it, and I really enjoy watching the video. Everything is so creative. You're like a mad scientist, and quite a talented fellow.

Thanks Marty.
The bass took ages as I mentioned and I used an interesting Reaper trick that may work in your DAW if you're looking for trick...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_TshbcD0LI


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Originally Posted By: Derochette
Hi rayc,

Personally, I prefer the short version. But the mix of the second has my preference in terms of reverb in particular. Otherwise, it's superb well done and I enjoyed it. Well done.

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Thanks JJJ,
A vote for short...


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Hi Ray,

Man, what a production! Drums sound great, as does the bass. Read your note to Marty about that yesterday and watched the Kenny video, might experiment with that on our next song wink

Vocal sounds good to me, often I find your vocals a little low in the mix for my tastes, but I think you have them sitting just right.

Excellent job on the videos too. I watched both, and I'll be the odd man out, I actually like the slightly longer one better, with the gunshot at the end.

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Originally Posted By: BlueAttitude
Hi Ray,

Man, what a production! Drums sound great, as does the bass. Read your note to Marty about that yesterday and watched the Kenny video, might experiment with that on our next song wink

Vocal sounds good to me, often I find your vocals a little low in the mix for my tastes, but I think you have them sitting just right.

Excellent job on the videos too. I watched both, and I'll be the odd man out, I actually like the slightly longer one better, with the gunshot at the end.

Thanks Dave,
It's a decent method and allows for different FX - I've not used it with my new monitors. I've moved from 4 1/2 inch to 7 inch cones so should be better able to hear bottom end and what I've I've been mixing now.


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We listened to both several times. BTW, for some reason the link did not log us in as usual so no YT comments.

So we listened and read all the comments. We both feel that floyd nailed our feelings with the exception that we liked the longer version a bit better.

As disturbing as it is the shot at the end was effective.

Your vocals were excellent ... strong and full of the ominous vibe.

Along with that your guitar and bass performances were standout in what you were playing and the tone ... great on the monitors with the 8" woofer.

Both videos well supported the aforementioned vibe.

Well done all around Ray.

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Originally Posted By: Janice & Bud
We listened to both several times. BTW, for some reason the link did not log us in as usual so no YT comments.
So we listened and read all the comments. We both feel that floyd nailed our feelings with the exception that we liked the longer version a bit better.
As disturbing as it is the shot at the end was effective.
Your vocals were excellent ... strong and full of the ominous vibe.
Along with that your guitar and bass performances were standout in what you were playing and the tone ... great on the monitors with the 8" woofer.
Both videos well supported the aforementioned vibe.
Well done all around Ray.
J&B

Thank you Merritts both combined and as separate entities.
Glad you survived repeated listens.
I did have the shot lined up for the pause after the intro but it gave the game away.


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Ray,

You do this music so well. It's very difficult to capture and nail the vibe in this genre. You always totally succeed.

Loved it!

Bob

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