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#731592 - 09/14/22 08:25 AM [Best of YouTube] Why are all pianos and guitars out of tune?
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David Bennett explains:

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#731688 - 09/15/22 05:41 AM [Best of YouTube] Re: Why are all pianos and guitars out of tune? [Re: AudioTrack]
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Interesting...never thought much about that...didn't even realize it. And here I thought my digital keyboards always initialized in perfect tuning when I turned them on. On the other hand, I really couldn't hear any difference in the sound examples he used for some of the ratios...maybe my ears are out of tune! laugh

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#731730 - 09/15/22 11:54 AM [Best of YouTube] Re: Why are all pianos and guitars out of tune? [Re: AudioTrack]
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Meh....

Tuning is an artificial, arbitrary construct anyway.
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#731955 - 09/17/22 09:54 PM [Best of YouTube] Re: Why are all pianos and guitars out of tune? [Re: AudioTrack]
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Methinks Byron isn't equally tempered.
Yes, it's artificial, arbitrary and something most western cultures indoctrinate newborns with very quickly.
Knowing it to be the reality and that micro-tonality is also a reality doesn't require them to be mutually exclusive.
Ta for the video Audio Track, I'd seen it before but it's a gentle reminder that we play how we do because smart minds devised a way to make it much easier to achieve.
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#732336 - 09/22/22 12:03 PM [Best of YouTube] Re: Why are all pianos and guitars out of tune? [Re: AudioTrack]
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What I have learned is that tuning is relative.

Due to how our ear perceives the pitches, and a multitude of other factors contribute to how pleasing to our ear, the pitch, or combination thereof, sounds.

You can tune a piano with a strobe tuner to perfection however, when you play certain intervals they clash necessitating that one of the pitches be altered slightly.... putting it out of tune, in order to sound pleasing. A friend who was a piano tuner by trade told me about this phenomena. I was watching him tune a piano at a concert hall and noticed that while the rest of the strings were dead stop on the Conn Strobetuner, he left certain ones slightly flat and moved on. I questioned him about that and he not only explained it, but showed me by tuning the strings to dead on stop, playing some chords, and then adjusting the notes back to slightly flat and playing the same chords again. Quite amazing..... because if you play those notes in other chords and in solo scales.... you didn't notice they were flat.

A similar situation exists on the guitar. Due to the physics of the various thicknesses of the different guitar strings, the amount of wear on those strings, the fret spacing, and the bridge saddle positions, you can play hell trying to get and keep a guitar in tune in order to play chords and inversions across the neck. As one gets to know ones own instrument, and has worked to get the intonation properly set up, one tends to know that leaving the G string a few cents flat in often the best compromise when it comes to tuning.

I only watched a small section of the video..... I'll try to finish it later this evening to see if they address these topics and issues in the remaining part of the video.
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#732339 - 09/22/22 12:30 PM [Best of YouTube] Re: Why are all pianos and guitars out of tune? [Re: Guitarhacker]
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Good article on the piano tuning, Herb.

There are a lot of subtleties that affect what we hear.

There is a good article on what affects higher and lower frequencies in tuning at this link.
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#732341 - 09/22/22 12:42 PM [Best of YouTube] Re: Why are all pianos and guitars out of tune? [Re: AudioTrack]
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Also explained by James Taylor...


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#732344 - 09/22/22 01:26 PM [Best of YouTube] Re: Why are all pianos and guitars out of tune? [Re: floyd jane]
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Another very good article on tuning. Thanks Floyd. Mr Taylor would certainly have had a lot of practice at this, too smile
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#732387 - 09/23/22 03:23 AM [Best of YouTube] Re: Why are all pianos and guitars out of tune? [Re: floyd jane]
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This is very interesting! A friend of mine is tuning to dead on with his tuner almost every other song! Maybe this is why he says his acoustic never sounds right and never holds tune.

Would the same apply to an electric?

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#732389 - 09/23/22 04:38 AM [Best of YouTube] Re: Why are all pianos and guitars out of tune? [Re: MountainSide]
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Originally Posted By: MountainSide
This is very interesting! A friend of mine is tuning to dead on with his tuner almost every other song! Maybe this is why he says his acoustic never sounds right and never holds tune.

Would the same apply to an electric?

Jeff

I don't really know. I do recall the piano tuner who attends to my grand piano (a Yamaha Conservatorium C5) discussing the need to tune more sharp in the upper registers.

James Taylor is a renowned virtuoso on guitar and he explains the needs for variations from pure tuning.

There must be something involved that essentially takes significant skill to really master.

So there is definitely a need to understand this.
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#732400 - 09/23/22 06:22 AM [Best of YouTube] Re: Why are all pianos and guitars out of tune? [Re: AudioTrack]
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Some do suggest that an electric guitar gets tuned slightly different from an acoustic.

I have a tuner (attaches to the headstock of whatever instrument you are tuning) that has DIFFERENT TUNING SETTINGS for each instrument. Over 50 of them, I believe.

The Peterson Strobclip HD

https://www.petersontuners.com/products/stroboclipHD/



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#732527 - 09/24/22 06:48 AM [Best of YouTube] Re: Why are all pianos and guitars out of tune? [Re: floyd jane]
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Thanks for passing this along Floyd. I'll pass it on to my acoustic friend.

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