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#751978 - 02/02/23 04:15 AM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Ability to receive/send/import/export and YAMAHA arranger XF chord track data (PSR / GENOS)
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This suggestion is for BIAB to be able to record ( live ) Yamaha XF chord data as well as interpret the chords and convert to BIAB chords.

This is for YAMAHA arrangers. It would be so useful to be able to use BIAB to send data to arrangers like the GENOS and PSR series. The built in facilities in these are really for performance but recent models sound really good and I find my PSR SX 900 ver inspiring for coming up with improvised chord changes on the fly. The built in CHORD LOOPER feature though is very very basic and one cannot edit or import the chord progressions once recorded. Very much an afterthought on owner suggestions.

So to be able to record this data as well as import song and CHORD BANK data into BIAB and export as well when needed would be so helpful.

It would allow users to compose pieces on the hardware arranger OR in BIAB - and use both as tools.

A typical scenario might be to record chord ideas via the left hand in the arranger into BIAB in order to edit - then maybe export back to the PSR to play around with styles on it - and eventually maybe switch to using BIAB styles in BIAB itself or in a DAW via the BIAB plugin.

others have touched upon this

https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=487473
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#752046 - 02/02/23 01:20 PM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: Ability to receive/send/import/export and YAMAHA arranger XF chord track data (PSR / GENOS) [Re: nonchai]
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Have a look here and see if there's anything that may help:

https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=466834#Post466834

http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha/more_software.htm

https://www.heikoplate.de/xftool-manual.html

https://www.heikoplate.de/psruti.html

What you need is for Biab to load all the data for each track in a Style then it can playback the chords inputted by the keyboard live the same way Sforzando is here:
Live Arranger Demo

The same way the BBPlugin can generate and play instantly:

Playing 4 style tracks same as in Biab, same sections.
So each track's WAV Instructions txt were converted into SFZ txt.
This is playing the source files direct, no waiting for renders.

Watch: https://www.dropbox.com/s/w91dqq7dcnaluyd/BB-Track-Data-To-SFZ-4-Tracks.mp4?dl=0

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#752066 - 02/02/23 05:29 PM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: Ability to receive/send/import/export and YAMAHA arranger XF chord track data (PSR / GENOS) [Re: musocity]
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thanks for that - unfortunately ive been down that road and nothing exists like the feature I am suggesting in BIAB


and at the end of day I just want this added to BIAB and not have to rely on free user made apps. Plus the vast majority turn out to only run on windows and im a Mac guy - but ive tried many using parallels too
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#752077 - 02/02/23 07:34 PM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: Ability to receive/send/import/export and YAMAHA arranger XF chord track data (PSR / GENOS) [Re: nonchai]
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musocity Offline
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There is JJazzLabMac that will open Biab SGU/MGU and use YAMAHA Styles.
Other than that just hope PG implements.

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#752090 - 02/03/23 01:42 AM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: Ability to receive/send/import/export and YAMAHA arranger XF chord track data (PSR / GENOS) [Re: musocity]
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Looking back I found this asking for XF export
https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=6026

I looked at a midi file with the XF chords
PSRUTI Chord and Lyric Protocol
File: C:\Users\Band In A Box\Downloads\test.mid

[start chords+lyrics]
Chd 002:01:000 Bb
Chd 002:03:000 Fm7
Chd 003:01:000 Ab7
Chd 003:03:000 C#M7
Chd 004:01:000 Ebm
Chd 004:03:000 F7
Chd 005:01:000 Bbm
Chd 006:01:000 A#
Chd 006:03:000 A#
[end list]

If I can find these in the Midi file I can read them out or write them to.
I can read this info in Reaper and then I could record or write to midi.
This way I could send the XF chords to the keyboard while using the BBPlugin. The BBPlugin can transfer it's chords to Reaper and vice versa.
PG writes it's chords to the midi file like Yamaha, I just need to find where Yamaha writes them in the midi file.
I don't know if that's like what you want to do ?


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#752104 - 02/03/23 04:12 AM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: Ability to receive/send/import/export and YAMAHA arranger XF chord track data (PSR / GENOS) [Re: musocity]
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https://github.com/HeikoPlate/psruti
I think the Chd.cpp has the info so PG should be able to add that.

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#754504 - 02/19/23 03:33 PM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: Ability to receive/send/import/export and YAMAHA arranger XF chord track data (PSR / GENOS) [Re: musocity]
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#756321 - 03/03/23 02:42 PM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: Ability to receive/send/import/export and YAMAHA arranger XF chord track data (PSR / GENOS) [Re: nonchai]
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Yes, good ideas and info. Thanks
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