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This is an interesting topic and one that hits pretty close to home. After all, we're using BB which allows non musicians to generate complete songs that sound like a group of professional musicians played the parts. We're now seeing the beginnings of AI for writing lyrics in the form of chat and apps that are writing complete song lyrics in mere seconds. The quality of the writing is, at this point, fairly poor, however, with time, it will undoubtedly get significantly better. This is a hot topic. Here's Rick Beato's interesting take on what is happening and what might be coming. [video:youtube] https://youtu.be/6IV29YNTH3M[/video]
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FWIW here is my prediction. Yea AI will get better and begin creating complete songs. But somewhere down the line some kids will get the idea to jam and it will be new again. Much like grunge taking over the super polished hair bands. OR like the Foo Fighters recording everything at once like it was done in the past.
Also audiophile is a thing of the past. No one is critically listening to music anymore, or at least very few are listening like they did in the 1950s and 60s.
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I generally agree with many things Rick says. We will always have Live musicians creating music. We will likely have BIAB or something like it for years to come.
The question is less about how music gets generated than who gets paid. Who gets paid does not always require producing a quality product. We buy a ton of crap every day.
For us here, using BIAB to create songs, who gets paid, is mostly irrelevant. Only a few are getting paid.
Even if a person is a highly skilled musician using any method of production, the results will be the same in most cases. Post on SoundCloud or another site and get a hand full of views. Some magic happens, and you get 5000 views...wow! So what? Get 500,000 views, and things began to change. Get five million views, and a bit of money starts to come in, but you are still basically a nobody.
A few people do win the lottery. A few become well-known musicians, and a few of them get super well-paid. Perhaps someone will hit the jackpot with a BIAB song. Most anything is possible, just not very likely.
All of this comes down to this question. Do you want to be in the music business, or do you want to create music to entertain yourself and a few friends?
There is some uncomfortable truth about living in the USA in 2023. The Walmart parking lot is running over with cars. There is plenty of parking at Neiman Marcus. The ever-ongoing decline of the middle class is causing us to buy less quality music and other goods and services, at higher prices, with less customer service.
There is also a severe lack of regard for quality products. Does an internet-downloaded MP3 played through the headset on a smartphone in any way compared with a vinal album with cover art with written information played through a high-quality stereo system?
Well, it sucks, as I am on my way to Walmart as soon as I get up from this computer!
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Formulaic writing has been around as long as printed music. Indeed, there have been many attempts to automate it over the centuries, though Mozart's dice game was likely written in jest. The Brill Building, Tin Pan Alley, Hollywood, Denmark St. (London), Nashville… All had writers beating each other up by copying each other looking for that little spark that generates a hit. from Denmark St. (Kinks)
You go to a publisher and play him your song
He says, "I hate your music and you hair is too long
But I'll sign you up because I'd hate to be wrong"
You've got a tune, it's in your head, you want to get it placed
So you take it down to a music man, just to see what he will say
He says, "I hate the tune, I hate the words, I'll tell you what I'll do
I'll sign you up and take it round the street
And I'll see if it makes the grade
And you might even hear it played on the rock and roll hit parade"
Ray Davies Let's see… A machine writes your words Another machine writes your music Yet another arranges it or You download loops, cut copy and paste Did you actually create anything? Are you be proud of it? No thanks.
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Amazing that Rick video is a year old!! One wonders what has changed in a year.
I am so intrigued by this topic. My LyricLab app is doing really quite well. People love it, but many are saying, “okay, so this is great but how do I put music to these lyrics?”. My standard answer is “well, I use Band-in-a-box to provide musical ideas. I enter a chord progression and style that inspires me and then I sing and play along, making changes to the chords and lyrics until I am happy (ish).”
But even that is a bridge too far for many of the people who have subscribed to my app.
There is a market for a simple tool that will take a lyric and generate chords and melody (along with a AI vocal). And that will be an awesome starting point for many people who want to experience the joy of writing (and eventually performing) their own songs.
Now just to find that tool!
LyricLab A.I assisted chords and lyric app. Export lyrics and import directly into Band-in-a-Box 2024. https://lyriclab.net Play-along with songs you know and love, download SGU files https://playiit.com/
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Amazing that Rick video is a year old!! One wonders what has changed in a year.
I am so intrigued by this topic. My LyricLab app is doing really quite well. People love it, but many are saying, “okay, so this is great but how do I put music to these lyrics?”. My standard answer is “well, I use Band-in-a-box to provide musical ideas. I enter a chord progression and style that inspires me and then I sing and play along, making changes to the chords and lyrics until I am happy (ish).”
But even that is a bridge too far for many of the people who have subscribed to my app.
There is a market for a simple tool that will take a lyric and generate chords and melody (along with a AI vocal). And that will be an awesome starting point for many people who want to experience the joy of writing (and eventually performing) their own songs.
Now just to find that tool!
You app, while still in the primitive first stages, will undoubtedly improve as you refine it and add to it. Currently, it does provide grist from which one can, with a bit of effort and grey matter, produce a workable lyric that would otherwise not have existed before.
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Here’s how I have used AI (or something like it) and why I don’t feel like I am compromising my human creativity.
As mentioned elsewhere, I have this software that generates music using fractal mathematics. You configure a bunch of settings and request a certain amount of musical matter and voila, you get a 4-track MIDI file. In its raw form, this MIDI music sounds pretty boring as there’s no instrumentation specified, just notes, but I then take this raw material and explode tracks into multiple parts, assign instruments and processes and effects, and edit like mad, doing anything at all that sounds good to me, and in the end I get a finished piece that sounds pretty good.
I do, however, wonder, “Who wrote it?” I hear things in this music’s complex harmonies that I like a lot but do not understand at all, and so hesitate to take composer credit for. It’s not like the software was a tool of convenience; there’s no way I would have been able to create that quartet on my own at all, not one single bar.
BUT… the raw MIDI played back using a default piano sound sounds dinky and boring and old-fashioned video-gamey while my finished piece sounds, I think, like real music. And I would like to claim some major authorship credit for that real music, though it would be really best characterized as a collaboration with the software. I will happily call this music “mine”, and tag it with my name, as its creator — but I would never think to publish it without explaining its mechanical origin, so the listener/reader can think what they will. *
Of course, there’s a very different level of AI engagement that appears to be dawning all around us: prompt-based generation of finished material given nothing but a few words. “Sad song about railroads in the style of Mozart”, that sort of thing. Taken to its extreme you can even just say, “Give me a song” and get something. That’s what is freaking people out, the idea of the complete disappearance of a human role that’s something other than product consumer.
BUT… with good AI tools, you won’t just say, “Give me a song”, you’ll engage in a long iterative process where the AI offers material and you request it to refine or expand it in some way, and this gets repeated over and over and built upon until you have a robust product with your human creativity all through it. Like: in the middle of a sax solo, you direct the AI to modify a previously-generated phrase to be “Irish-sounding” and add a lyric line about sheep. You do that for hours and hours, for several days, adding and subtracting and refining material until in the end you have something you’re willing to put your name on and which, I think, you will be 100% humanly entitled to.
Advances in AI will result, not in elimination of the human role, but in advances and innovations in the human artistic processes that use it. And I for one can’t wait to play with MusicLM.
Mark
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* Interestingly (to me) I’ve used the exact same approach to music creation with stuff like farm recordings of chickens and roosters as raw material, using software to convert crowing and clucking and water bowl banging into MIDI melodies and going to town from there. In that case, there’s no AI to share credit with, so I don’t see who else there is to blame this stuff for but me. =8^)
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Advances in AI will result, not in elimination of the human role, but in advances and innovations in the human artistic processes that use it. And I for one can’t wait to play with MusicLM. That of course has been the story of technological advancement since the dawn of technology. What happens is that the tasks we perform evolve so that we do different tasks and have a greater productivity (even if sometimes it doesn't feel that way). Mostly it's ended up being for the best.
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BUT… with good AI tools, you won’t just say, “Give me a song”, you’ll engage in a long iterative process where the AI offers material and you request it to refine or expand it in some way, and this gets repeated over and over and built upon until you have a robust product with your human creativity all through it. I think we are there with lyrics on ChatGPT. I've noticed that the more detail I can give it on my request, the more satisfying result I get. Better detail helps AI produce better results.
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This will be everybody, soon enough. Sci-fi magazine halts new submissions after a surge in AI-written stories I recently told one of my clients that my VO fee is doubled if I am given AI generated copy to read. It takes me longer to edit it into something good than to write the copy from scratch. "Just tell me what you want it to say…" They paid it, BTW and were much happier with my revised copy.
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