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#717481 - 05/20/22 05:41 AM
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Re: Count-In based on actual time-signature of first bar
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PL, Fantastic. You often provide sensational workarounds, and these are greatly appreciated. No doubt there is a big effort to develop these.
But, with respect, we're looking for this feature to be an integrated part of the program. I think you will agree that this would be the most appropriate delivery mechanism.
I suspect that the count-in is perhaps hard-coded to the song's time-signature, but it should be able to be 'modified' to suit the correct timing of that critical first bar. That's the reality.
Can you imagine a band leader who delivers a 4/4 count-in to the band members who then must start playing in 3/4? No, neither can I, but that's what BiaB does in these circumstances.
Sorry I have to say this, but it's way past time for this issue to be resolved. It may be difficult, but it's not impossible.
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#717524 - 05/20/22 01:33 PM
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Re: Count-In based on actual time-signature of first bar
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Sorry I have to say this, but it's way past time for this issue to be resolved. It may be difficult, but it's not impossible. +1 I totally agree with that. It's really rather fundamental. I rather suspect there's some nasty under the surface that makes it very difficult ... perhaps backward compatibility issues? I do wonder if it's tied in with the rather limited handling generally of time signatures. I appreciate that there are some weird ones around(*), but 5/4 and 12/8 are pretty common and 7/8 is not exactly rare. (*)My wife wanted to sing with the band and wanted "Light Flight" as done by Pentangle. No worries ... the verses are in 5/4+5/4+2/4 and the chorus in 6/4. Even Pentangle admitted they'd never worked out how to count it in properly :-)
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#717528 - 05/20/22 02:51 PM
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Re: Count-In based on actual time-signature of first bar
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What I'm saying is there is no reason I can see that the method I describe can't be integrated into Biab now, like today, if I had the source code I would code it now and upload it. Whatever the first time signature is set to it will play 2 bars of that then start play at bar 1 or a custom start point. Maybe it's because they spend 6 months re-programming Mac that there is not the time left to fit these things in, I don't know...... Watch https://www.dropbox.com/s/nf3htbh420pkbx6/Reaper-Count-In.mp4?dl=0
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#719421 - 06/07/22 12:36 PM
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Re: Count-In based on actual time-signature of first bar
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#758267 - 03/17/23 12:25 PM
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Re: Count-In based on actual time-signature of first bar
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If a song has a mix of 3/4 and 4/4 time signatures, and needs to start in 3/4, it needs to use a 4/4 style and use F5 to set the first bar to 3/4. However, this means that the count-in will be in 4/4 when the song then actually starts in 3/4.
It seems to me that it would be a whole lot more practical if Band In A Box just produced the count-in using the same time-signature as the first bar of the song. If the first bar plays in 3/4, the count in should automatically be in 3/4. This would be a great improvement. Hopefully there is still interest from the BiaB fraternity. Feel free to comment.
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#758271 - 03/17/23 12:50 PM
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Re: Count-In based on actual time-signature of first bar
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+1 for a count-in that matches the time signature of the first bar in a song.
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#758287 - 03/17/23 03:23 PM
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Re: Count-In based on actual time-signature of first bar
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Again another big +1
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#758312 - 03/17/23 07:01 PM
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Re: Count-In based on actual time-signature of first bar
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39379 views and still waiting... 83444 views and still waiting... I suppose if it's using a 4/4 style that 4/4 Drum will have a 4/4 count-in recorded in it, it would have to load a count-in from a 3/4 recorded drum RealDrum and set the 2 count-in bars to 3/4 but then if you have to use a 4/4 style when you have 3/4 changes then there must be a big issue stopping this if it hasn't been done by now ? We plan to add support for floating point tempos and any time signature, in BiaB, plug-in maybe when this is overhauled and updated other issue will be then doable ?
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#758327 - 03/18/23 02:51 AM
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#758346 - 03/18/23 07:20 AM
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Re: Count-In based on actual time-signature of first bar
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I see I was the first +1 ten years ago, but I'm changing my mind. This feature as it is now makes counting in a song more adventurous to follow, and who wouldn't want that? Are all 88,000+ of you not up to the challenge? No? You would like this fixed?
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#758464 - 03/19/23 10:42 AM
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Re: Count-In based on actual time-signature of first bar
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I see I was the first +1 ten years ago, but I'm changing my mind. This feature as it is now makes counting in a song more adventurous to follow, and who wouldn't want that? Are all 88,000+ of you not up to the challenge? No? You would like this fixed?
Well, this made me smile (if I didn't laugh I'd cry). I also witnessed the use of the word 'Whoa' from this thread. Very appropriate. Any more takers? (This is a really important bug that needs resolving)
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#758472 - 03/19/23 11:39 AM
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Gimme a Whoa:
"WHOA"
Gimme a Fix:
"FIX"
What's that spell?
"WHOAFIX"
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Huh?
Yeah, OK.
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#758485 - 03/19/23 03:54 PM
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Re: Count-In based on actual time-signature of first bar
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Yes, it's sort of like begging:
WHOcAnFIX ?
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#758497 - 03/19/23 06:41 PM
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Not bad!
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