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Originally Posted By: Jim Fogle
Don't forget to mark the thread as "Resolved" once you are confident the problem is gone. smile

There is a wealth of troubleshooting tips in this thread.

Jim, is there a button to click for Resolved?


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Originally Posted By: Bass Thumper
I simply uninstalled the Dell SupportAssist software as a stab in the dark. We decided to uninstall them all one by one. These were

Dell Digital Delivery Services
Dell SupportAssist OS Recovery Plugin for Dell Updates
Dell SupportAssist Remediation
Dell Update for Windows Universal


That's freaking awesome!! I feel bad for not saying something on that topic since I'm a Dell guy too. I was troubleshooting a non-audio issue about a month ago and installed SupportAssist to get all my drivers updated and further troubleshooting. Once I was all good I had to end up uninstalling all that same Dell stuff as it was consuming a lot of resources just to run in the background. It was pretty much the same list you posted.

I'm so glad you got it sorted. Nothing like an annoying issue to keep you down. You persisted and got it. smile

Thanks Steve,
And no "feeling bad". This was a tough nut to crack (think Brazil nut and your teeth). smile
We're on web page #9 and you offered good suggestions along with many others.

This was an annoying issue but as Jim says, there's good info in this thread that if it doesn't get lost in the ether should help others with similar or even different problems.


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Jim, is there a button to click for Resolved?

I think that button should show up for you if you go back to the very first post in the thread. It should either be at the top or bottom of that first message.




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Someone in this thread mentioned getting rid of the “crapware” and that idea resonated with me so I simply uninstalled the Dell SupportAssist software as a stab in the dark. So far, this seems to have solved the problem…
New computer = new OS, new crapware?

Yes. Thanks for planting this seed.
I had never heard the term "crapware" before.
It will be in my vocabulary going forward for quite some time.


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Mario is absolutely right. Digital audio is a small and highly specialized use for computers. We have to expect to solve our own problems. Remarkably, we usually do. The collective experience just on this forum is quite formidable.


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As far as crapware, it can be difficult to determine what to do. If you build a computer from scratch as I do, you don’t encounter it. Only when you buy from a one-stop vendor like Dell does this come into play. And you can’t just blanket uninstall all their stuff. As an example, they might contract with a manufacturer to make a DVD drive or graphics card that requires a specially modified driver. Or at least, they say that. I only encountered one situation where I absolutely had to use the vendor’s version of a driver. Still, test all your gear after deleting the vendor-supplied drivers.

In order to market that they somehow create unique value, the marketing people want those extra programs added to a pre-assembled computer. For most people it doesn’t matter. For digital audio content producers, it sure does.


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Here is how I summarize this situation.

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Getting rid of bloatware and crapware should be your first step in setting up any new computer.


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Originally Posted By: Byron Dickens
Getting rid of bloatware and crapware should be your first step in setting up any new computer.
Yes. Or maybe second, after the power settings. But be careful about drivers as I explained.


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As Steve mentioned +++ HERE +++ the "Mark as Resolved" button is in the bottom, left corner of the initial post that creates a thread.

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I'm not sure this issue is ever actually resolved; the problem is just conquered temporarily on your system until another challenge arises. After you get everything working, you will get another computer, upgraded operating system, or [fill in the blank] --- But marking the thread 'Resolved' should assist others who search for help to find the wealth of good suggestions here.


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Originally Posted By: MarioD

Probably the reason the Dell tech guys didn't know about the cause is because making music with a computer is the smallest common denominator of all computer uses. I have read where the next smallest is photography and it is 4-5 times larger than recording music.

Hmm, that's an interesting point.
I do know that folk that produce computer-assisted music have certain computer and software needs.

I wonder if there are things that we can do to elevate our concerns to the lager tech community; sort of like a lobby. I was a squeeky wheel with Dell and did all I could do to get Dell decision makers to see the needs we have, including pointing them to this forum thread. At a minimum, the people I worked with got an education from working my issue.


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Originally Posted By: Jim Fogle
Don't forget to mark the thread as "Resolved" once you are confident the problem is gone. smile

There is a wealth of troubleshooting tips in this thread.

Jim, I marked it Resolved.

If anyone wants to help me push this subject into an e-book/e-booklet send me a PM. We could include tips, diagrams and other useful material.

Condensing this into an organized document would help "future generations"; it sure would have helped me/us.


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BD,
The issue is...
With all different manufacturers it will be a different set of software that they will pre-install on the new machine. The rule of the thumb is, when you get a new computer is to try get rid of everything that you will not be using. All non essential active content that will launch automatically with Windows and take up resources / silently use internet to send data, etc. When you have a lean machine it is obviously faster and is much easier to troubleshoot. Also, less stuff that can go wrong.

I believe I mentioned it in earlier pages, there is a pretty detailed PC tune up guide from Sweetwater oriented at music PC tune up. So a lot of the stuff we discussed here was covered in their guide. If I remember correctly, Peter Gannon posted it in BIAB Windows section some time ago.

I mention Windows Shut up tool.... I completely forgot that the best tool I ever used for tricky stuff is called Ultimate Windows Tweaker. It is free and does some really cool stuff. I used it on 2 machines. It is tiny and very powerful. It has great community feedback and videos on what is what. I used it specifically to tune PC for music.

https://www.thewindowsclub.com/ultimate-windows-tweaker-5-for-windows-11
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To sum up, I don't believe re-inventing a wheel of assembling a big troubleshooting guide is worth the time, but if you write concrete steps out for removing specific pesky Dell crapware (aka bloatware) to make things work, that could help future / current Dell users dealing with similar issues.




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Guys, I am sure you know that Dell is one of the most popular and used business computer manufacturers in the country. They got that reputation in the business world by providing services and features which no other company provided. Including:

Dell SupportAssist software
Dell Digital Delivery Services
Dell SupportAssist OS Recovery Plugin for Dell Updates
Dell SupportAssist Remediation
Dell Update for Windows Universal

Over the past 30 years I have likely used all these applications and was thankful they existed.

So before we storm the castle, we may think about specing out our purchases piror to purchase. grin


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Dan,
reading your post I can't figure out if you are joking or not.
Perhaps for some kind of office all these "assistants" do something good. For music making world, I would stay away from these wonders as far as possible.

I have Thinkpad official driver updater. I would turn it on, let it update drivers and shut it off.

P.S. By tweaking, nobody is taking away your recovery partition smile

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Guys, I am sure you know that Dell is one of the most popular and used business computer manufacturers in the country. They got that reputation in the business world by providing services and features which no other company provided. Including:

Dell SupportAssist software
Dell Digital Delivery Services
Dell SupportAssist OS Recovery Plugin for Dell Updates
Dell SupportAssist Remediation
Dell Update for Windows Universal

Over the past 30 years I have likely used all these applications and was thankful they existed.

So before we storm the castle, we may think about specing out our purchases piror to purchase. grin


Run-of-the-mill office computing and audio production are worlds apart. When these things kick in to do their thing and/ or decide to phone home in the middle of working on your spreadsheet, you won't even notice.

When they do so in the middle of recording an awesome vocal take... well, aggravating is too mild a word.


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Dan,
reading your post I can't figure out if you are joking or not.


Always a little of both. grin


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Originally Posted By: Byron Dickens

Run-of-the-mill office computing and audio production are worlds apart. When these things kick in to do their thing and/ or decide to phone home in the middle of working on your spreadsheet, you won't even notice.

When they do so in the middle of recording an awesome vocal take... well, aggravating is too mild a word.

You are absolutely correct. I do run spreadsheets and other software all the time and never observed problems; these programs were probably being stepped on too but they were not noticable. . . . only when playing audio did I notice the problem.

I am as confident as I can be (99%+) that the Dell software was the root cause.

And several days ago I re-enabled Intel SpeedStep and my system is still running fine.


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That's great news.

To summarize, you now believe that the spikes observed in the latency monitoring software were caused by the Dell software, and after uninstalling that, things are good?

If so, I'm curious if you did anything with device drivers from Dell, if there even are any (I explained about this above). I'm assuming you only needed to remove the 'helper' software they bundle onto a new PC.


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