DAW BPM to 120, DAW plugin also to 120 I create a 4 bar piece of music (PWPOWER.STY) Start = 1 End = 4 Chorus = 1 Lead in = Not selected Ending = Not selected
I generate the 4 bars in the DAW plugin, then drag to the DAW. In the DAW, I expect the music to start at bar 1, and finish at bar 4. However, looking at the waveform in the DAW, it's clear that the music does not stop exactly at bar 4 but 3/16ths before. Does anyone know why?
3/16ths before does not sound a lot, but if we extrapolate this to the length of a typical song then the changes of each chord do not lign up with the beat/time position markers in the DAW.
Exactly where does the music stop in BiaB? If it stops at bar 5 then in your DAW it will stop at the end of bar 4. If the music stops 3/16ths before bar 5 then it will stop exactly like that in your DAW. That has been my experience when dragging and dropping from stand-a-lone BiaB to my DAW.
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OK, I did just what you said and I guess you are right, but I am not sure that there is any problem with this. The four downbeats are on the 1 of each of the four chords just like it should be.
I have asked 100 times to fix this ! I notice it when using 2 Plugins, say if you set the first to 4 bars with no ending then set the second one to start sync on bar 5 with no count-in. When you do this you get a jerk on the last beat of bar 4 as it goes into bar 1 of the second Plugin. You don't get a seamless join unless you add an extra bar and turn it off with volume automation or delete it off when dragging in.
Take a look at the attached image. The tempo in my Reaper DAW is 130 BPM. The tempo in the BIAB DAW plugin is 130 BPM, so the music exported from the plugin should end at bar 5, but it ends a 1/16th note before. You can see at 4.4 on the Tempo Line that the drum (track 3) is on the correct beat it's just that it ends before it reaches bar 5.
Biab does the same thing, if you set it to 4 bars without an ending Biab tries to soften the ending so it's not as abrupt. Same deal with the Plugin as it's using Biab in the background to generate the tracks. As I said I have showed this to PG so many times over the years. You just need to add the extra bar then bar 4 will play all the way, then delete the last crappy bar, this is easy in Reaper.
There should be big changes to the Plugin soon hopefully before December release, that should fix all this.
These are the original solo sections from a Biab track. Any section I can extend or shorten the original playing. If you watch the video where you have the gaps you can manually merge so there's no stop, you can't do that with a consolidated wav or in Biab now how it is: Reaper-RT-Solo-Extend.mp4
Originally Posted By: PeterGannon
>MusoCity: If you could do the same in Biab/RealBand/Plugin as I can do in Reaper with the track sections it will further improve Biab to allow for more creativity control
Agreed, and this is something planned for BB2024 (and BiaB plug-in w/DAWS like Reaper that support these track sections). This will open up lots of additional options when customizing solos and other tracks.
Below is Biab set to 5 bar with no ending. The top tracks are out of Biab and the bottom are the Plugin, Biab is actually even shorter, but if you cut on the start of bar 5 it's fine.
Something is off here. In the past 5 years of using the BIAB-VST I have never run into this issue.
I would agree this looks bad. Synchronization is critical in digital audio production and this seems to indicate things do not synch up.
After a bit of study, I feel the primary reasons I have not experienced this is in the BIAB-VST or BIAB when moving tracks to Reaper is my workflow:
1) I often have the "endings" box checked in the BIAB-VST. This totally eliminates this problem with the bars not synching. And if I don't want the ending, I would simply cut that portion of the audio in the DAW. [This is what I would recommend to the OP] 2) If I do happen to turn off endings (which I do at times), then I have never needed to immediately add additional audio following the track. So nothing has to synch with this track when it is done.
I concluded this issue as described is unique to the workflow. I have no problem with PGM adjusting this as long as they don't mess it up. For my workflow, this all works fine.
The reason I initially did this was to have 7 or 8 individual blocks of chords. I could then arrange them in my DAW to have different chord progressions to test against a song. Of course, one could do all this in BIAB, but BIAB is slow to regenerate each time (YMMV..) and then to drag/drop into the DAW. Moving each chord around as a block in the DAW is super fast. It doesn't of course give a useable result for a final mix but it's quick when you're writing and you don't want to lose the mojo!
Thank you both for contributing, very useful info for the future..!
The reason I initially did this was to have 7 or 8 individual blocks of chords. I could then arrange them in my DAW to have different chord progressions to test against a song. Of course, one could do all this in BIAB, but BIAB is slow to regenerate each time (YMMV..) and then to drag/drop into the DAW. Moving each chord around as a block in the DAW is super fast. It doesn't of course give a useable result for a final mix but it's quick when you're writing and you don't want to lose the mojo!
Thank you both for contributing, very useful info for the future..!
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Something is off here. In the past 5 years of using the BIAB-VST I have never run into this issue..
We went through all this before in the Beta forum, you posted pics. It was the same issue with Biab and the Plugin. It's not a sync issue it just tries to end it softer but this stuffs things up if you want to use the section as a loop it's not seamless as there is a big jerk. See below I have to add the extra bar and mute it with FX bypass automation or the volume automation so I get a seamless transition.
It is realy only an issue when you end the song. as Musocity said, it softens the ending. you can always regen that bar to see what you get. using hold etc changes stuff up to. if you build your song in pieces it adds to the problem. So if the song chords needs to pause try using hold and shots type format to create that feel. other than that just let the song flow to the end.
when ever this issue causes me trouble i add a bar, and fade.
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