You need to be logged in to post
Options
Index
#776449 - 09/19/23 08:29 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] AI-Chat for Help - How to add Section Text?
Registered: 12/08/02
Posts: 10707
Loc: Wauconda
MusicStudent Offline
Veteran

Registered: 12/08/02
Posts: 10707
Loc: Wauconda
Complete Failure! I use the insert section text feature often, however, not often enough to remember where it is. The AI was useless.

Can I get some true intelligence on how to add text? There needs to be a visible area for me to click in, but it just ain't there any more.


Attachments


Attachments
Post attachments only available when logged in


Edited by MusicStudent (09/19/23 09:02 AM)
_________________________
Dan, BIAB2023, SoundCloud Win11, i7(12thGen), 32GB, 1TB SSD(M.2 NVMe SSD), 2TB Libraries, 1 TB(WD-Black), 2TB SSD(M.2 NVMe SSD)Data, Motu Audio Express, Keystation 61, SL88 Studio, Reaper


Top
#776453 - 09/19/23 11:19 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: AI-Chat for Help - How to add Section Text? [Re: MusicStudent]
Registered: 09/27/06
Posts: 2221
Loc: Victoria, BC
Callie - PG Music Offline
PG Music Staff

Registered: 09/27/06
Posts: 2221
Loc: Victoria, BC
If you go to "Chord Display" you can choose Layers | Section Text

Is that what you were looking for?

-Callie

Top
#776457 - 09/19/23 12:12 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: AI-Chat for Help - How to add Section Text? [Re: Callie - PG Music]
Registered: 12/08/02
Posts: 10707
Loc: Wauconda
MusicStudent Offline
Veteran

Registered: 12/08/02
Posts: 10707
Loc: Wauconda
That is exactly what I was looking for! Thanks.
_________________________
Dan, BIAB2023, SoundCloud Win11, i7(12thGen), 32GB, 1TB SSD(M.2 NVMe SSD), 2TB Libraries, 1 TB(WD-Black), 2TB SSD(M.2 NVMe SSD)Data, Motu Audio Express, Keystation 61, SL88 Studio, Reaper


Top
#776526 - 09/20/23 01:35 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: AI-Chat for Help - How to add Section Text? [Re: MusicStudent]
Registered: 12/08/02
Posts: 10707
Loc: Wauconda
MusicStudent Offline
Veteran

Registered: 12/08/02
Posts: 10707
Loc: Wauconda
So what is with the AI instructions which are so off the mark? Is it just guessing? How can it be so intelligent and be so wrong?
_________________________
Dan, BIAB2023, SoundCloud Win11, i7(12thGen), 32GB, 1TB SSD(M.2 NVMe SSD), 2TB Libraries, 1 TB(WD-Black), 2TB SSD(M.2 NVMe SSD)Data, Motu Audio Express, Keystation 61, SL88 Studio, Reaper


Top
#776528 - 09/20/23 02:53 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: AI-Chat for Help - How to add Section Text? [Re: MusicStudent]
Registered: 09/27/06
Posts: 2221
Loc: Victoria, BC
Callie - PG Music Offline
PG Music Staff

Registered: 09/27/06
Posts: 2221
Loc: Victoria, BC
It's probably due to 'section names' not being interpreted as 'section text'

We're constantly reviewing ChatPG results, and will be adding to the resources it uses when gathering the response/reply/answer to inquiries. So, it will get 'smarter' with time smile

If you have any requests or want to add any knowledge to these resources, check out Peter's post: https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=775499
_________________________
Callie
Marketing Representative
PG Music Inc.

Top
#776537 - 09/20/23 04:10 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: AI-Chat for Help - How to add Section Text? [Re: Callie - PG Music]
Registered: 06/11/20
Posts: 1606
Loc: United States
Bass Thumper Online   content
Expert

Registered: 06/11/20
Posts: 1606
Loc: United States
Originally Posted By: Callie - PG Music
It's probably due to 'section names' not being interpreted as 'section text'

We're constantly reviewing ChatPG results, and will be adding to the resources it uses when gathering the response/reply/answer to inquiries. So, it will get 'smarter' with time smile

Not sure if the developers are thinking along these lines but "wiring in" a synonym dictionary as opposed to telling it (in this case) "names"="text" may be a more general solution.

This way it could understand that music=song=track, beat=BPM=rhythm, volume=loudness=dB and other equivalencies that humans may type in their queries.

In other words, solve the problem "generally" and opposed to "specifically" . . . just a thought.

Just don't let it become sentient wink
_________________________
https://soundcloud.com/user-646279677
BiaB 2023 Windows
For me there’s no better place in the band than to have one leg in the harmony world and the other in the percussive. Thank you Paul Tutmarc and Leo Fender.

Top
#776649 - 09/22/23 01:04 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: AI-Chat for Help - How to add Section Text? [Re: MusicStudent]
Registered: 05/16/02
Posts: 6519
Loc: Victoria, BC
Andrew - PG Music Offline
PG Music Staff

Registered: 05/16/02
Posts: 6519
Loc: Victoria, BC
Quote:
So what is with the AI instructions which are so off the mark? Is it just guessing? How can it be so intelligent and be so wrong?


The answer was wrong but actually not too far off. In the Notation Window, you DO get the Insert and edit Section Text context menu items, and it works exactly like it described. It was wrong about the context menu item being in the chord sheet, although it WOULD make sense for us to have a menu item for the section text layer in the Chord Sheet's context menu. It is not clear why it was saying "depending on the software" since it should 'know' that it's answering the question in the context of the Band-in-a-Box software.

To answer your question, it can be wrong for the same reasons that ChatGPT is often wrong since it uses language models developed by Open AI. All of this technology currently suffers from the very significant and poorly understood problem of hallucinations - sometimes generating false or nonsensical information that doesn't seem to fit with the data it was fed. You will have encountered this if you use ChatGPT for factual data (as opposed to creative writing for example) - answers that sound extremely confident but are inaccurate or even completely bogus. ( as an aside, if you think you haven't encountered this, just make sure to verify things you know nothing about with other sources... )

We can improve the quality and amount of data it has about Band-in-a-Box, which should help reduce hallucinations. I asked it a few random questions about Band-in-a-Box and it did a decent job. I find that it can answer some questions correctly even if the answer is not in the data. For example, somehow it could generate an answer on entering a blues progression (not a perfect answer, but a correct one), even though that specific information is not in the docs.





...







Edited by Andrew - PG Music (09/22/23 01:17 PM)
_________________________
Andrew
PG Music Inc.

Top


ChatPG

Ask sales and support questions about Band-in-a-Box using natural language.

ChatPG's knowledge base includes the full Band-in-a-Box User Manual and sales information from the website.

PG Music News
National Day for Truth and Reconciliation - Holiday Hours

Saturday, September 30th is National Day for Truth and Reconciliation in Canada. This day is also being recognized by employers on Monday, October 2nd.

We will have limited hours this weekend:

Saturday, Sept 30: 8am PDT - 4pm PDT
Sunday, Oct 1: closed
Monday, Oct 2: 8am PDT - 4pm PDT

Regular hours resume on Tuesday, October 3rd.

Review - Band-in-a-Box® 2023 for Windows is Overflowing with Features!

Dennis posted his very thorough Band-in-a-Box® review recently, where he dives into some of the new features added with version 2023: Sound-Guy's Band-in-a-Box Review

Read his thoughts on the Download & Install Manager, partial track regeneration, Playable RealTracks, Audio Editing, the addition of SynthMaster, the VST DAW Plugin, and more!

"Band-in-a-Box continues to be an expansive musical tool-set for both novice and experienced musicians to compose, arrange and mix songs, as well as an extensive educational resource. It is, without negative connotation, a monster of a program. Yet, so is any DAW that I have used. No DAW can do some of the things BIAB does, while BIAB can do a lot that DAWs do."

Band-in-a-Box® Tutorials for Low-vision and Blind Program Users

Our friends at EyesFree_Tutorials have just released their Band-in-a-Box Tutorials, Bundle 2!

Created for low-vision and blind program users, this collection of Band-in-a-Box for Windows tutorials includes 31 audio instruction files and 19 music files for practice, plus help documents. Specific topics include "ABACA, let's make a song form," "Recording melody and lead-in," "Playing and editing: part markers; the handy clipboard. The play function. Search and replace," and more!

Learn more about their new tutorials, and connect with Roy & Gudrun to order the Band-in-a-Box Tutorials, Bundle 2 here.

Introducing... ChatPG!

Looking for answers to your questions about Band-in-a-Box? From "How do I ____?" to "What do I ____?" to "What is ____?" and more, you'll find your answers when you ask ChatPG!

We will be constantly updating the resources for this powerful addition to our website based on suggestions & feedback, as well as all of the questions that have been asked by program users and website visitors.

Videos! Get To Know XPro Styles PAK 5 & Xtra Styles PAK 16 for Band-in-a-Box® 2023

XPro Styles PAK 5 adds 75 new RealStyles for rock, pop, jazz, funk, and country, and 25 styles based around MIDI SuperTracks that utilize the SynthMaster plugin!

Here's just a taste of what XPro Styles PAK 5 has in store: electronic Latin funk, spacey dancehall grooves, soulful Americana ballads, heavy house beats, vibin' cool jazz, rollicking country train beats, playful pop country jams, gritty blues rock, modern disco funk, moody synthwave, subdued bossa nova, lo-fi jazz, and many more! Pick up XPro Styles PAK 5 today!

What are XPro Styles PAKs?
XPro Styles PAKs are styles that work with any version (Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition) of Band-in-a-Box® 2023 (or higher). Each PAK includes over 100 styles!

XPro Styles PAKs aren't exclusive to Pro users, there's a huge range of RealStyles available for everyone - even Audiophile customers! That's right, XPro Styles PAKs can be used with ANY Band-in-a-Box® 2023 package!

XPro Styles PAK 5: https://youtu.be/QdhS9tc0y_s


Xtra Styles PAK 16 includes an absolute plethora of styles... 200 to be exact! 50 new styles each for Jazz, Country, Rock & Pop, and Praise & Worship!

Take a gander at what you can expect to find: modern disco funk, exciting gospel shout, busy jazz fusion, soulful R&B ballads, various Americana styles, modern pop country, blistering heavy metal, uplifting worship rock, lo-fi hip hop, a plethora of progressive rock, old-timey autoharp, modern surf rock, and many more!

What are Xtra Styles PAKs?
Xtra Styles PAKs are styles that work with the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box® 2023 (or higher). With over 2,600 styles included in Xtra Styles PAKs 1-16, the possibilities are endless!

Xtra Styles PAK 16 requires the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box® version 2023. They won't work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the 2023 UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition..

Xtra Styles PAK 16: https://youtu.be/KP1svm_RMfI


How do I know if I have XPro Styles PAKs or Xtra Styles PAKs?
You can find out in Band-in-a-Box® by clicking the "Add-ons" button in the StylePicker. Show me how.

Just Released - XPro PAK 5 & Xtra Styles PAK 16 for Band-in-a-Box® 2023!

We're back with 300 new RealStyles included in XPro Styles PAK 5 & Xtra Styles PAK 16!

XPro Styles PAK 5 adds 75 new RealStyles for rock, pop, jazz, funk, and country, and 25 styles based around MIDI SuperTracks that utilize the SynthMaster plugin!

Xtra Styles PAK 16 includes an absolute plethora of styles... 200 to be exact! 50 new styles each for Jazz, Country, Rock & Pop, and Praise & Worship!

Amp up your Band-in-a-Box® 2023 experience when you add XPro and Xtra Styles PAKs!

Each PAK can be purchased for $49... Order XPro Styles PAKS | Order Xtra Styles PAKs

Mac User? Click here for your OS specific announcement.

Band-in-a-Box® 2023 for Mac - Translations Available!

The Band-in-a-Box® 2023 for Mac German, French, and Italian translations are complete!

Already using the English version? Download a language patch here.

Have you been waiting to order a translated version? Here are some handy links for you:
German: www.bandinabox.com/bb.php?os=mac&lang=de
French: www.bandinabox.com/bb.php?os=mac&lang=fr
Italian: www.bandinabox.com/bb.php?os=mac&lang=it

Forum Stats
37912 Members
67 Forums
79219 Topics
706581 Posts

Max Online: 2537 @ 01/19/20 07:09 AM
Newest Members
jakabasej, cleacullen, Jazzmatz, JohnyKK, HOMBRE

37912 Registered Users
Top Posters (30 Days)
MarioD 117
Janice & Bud 82
Rob Helms 82
rsdean 80
rayc 79
Rustyspoon# 64
BabuMusic 63
musocity 61
Bass Thumper 55
floyd jane 52
Today's Birthdays
Crooner, krooner