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When I used different Styles (Realtracks) in the same song, I took care that they were all named with a 8 at the end, they were all ev8, in the Set # column they were all HalfDouble.

The ones I'm using are listed in the Bluegrass Styles section:
- BLU GRG8
- BLU GRF8
- BLU GRA8
- BLU GRM8

- BG BAN8
- BG BDBS8
- BG SHAK8

I will try to post the song later on.

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Originally Posted by Matt Finley
This still makes no sense to me, and if this
works for everyone as you describe, it needs attention.

Would you please post the song? You can’t do that here, but you can create a public place on Dropbox for free, upload the song, and post a link here.

You hinted at time base but skipped answering the first part of my question. Are you using any RealTracks with a half or double-time time base?

I uploaded the song (actually a backing track) "Old Dreams" on DropBox.
Here is the link: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/w17llqqt9xx491014ocn6/Old-Dreams-0-Short.SGU?rlkey=c8un1ez1rzj1enzljrdr5rt5t&dl=0

If you find another way to program a change of style at the right position, I would be very glad.

To answer your question, I am only using Styles with half-time base.
These are: BLUGRG8 Bluegrass Reso Solo 8ths at 260
BLUGRSM8 Classic Bluegrass 8ths-260 w/Mandolin
BGBDBS8 Fast BG 8ths-260 w/Banjo Solo
BLUGRA8 Bluegrass Quartet 8ths at 260
They are called HalfDouble and their LongName begins with (RT n/a)

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It works here.

Originally Posted by Papity
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To answer your question, I am only using Styles with half-time base.
These are: BLUGRG8 Bluegrass Reso Solo 8ths at 260
BLUGRSM8 Classic Bluegrass 8ths-260 w/Mandolin
BGBDBS8 Fast BG 8ths-260 w/Banjo Solo
BLUGRA8 Bluegrass Quartet 8ths at 260
They are called HalfDouble and their LongName begins with (RT n/a)


RT(na) is the problem. (na) means Not Available. You either do not have those styles or you have them but have not done a rebuild. Try doing a style rebuild and if you still get the (na) then you do not have those styles. What version of BiaB do you have?

Note rebuild is at the bottom of the style page.


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Originally Posted by MarioD
It works here.

Originally Posted by Papity
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To answer your question, I am only using Styles with half-time base.
These are: BLUGRG8 Bluegrass Reso Solo 8ths at 260
BLUGRSM8 Classic Bluegrass 8ths-260 w/Mandolin
BGBDBS8 Fast BG 8ths-260 w/Banjo Solo
BLUGRA8 Bluegrass Quartet 8ths at 260
They are called HalfDouble and their LongName begins with (RT n/a)


RT(na) is the problem. (na) means Not Available. You either do not have those styles or you have them but have not done a rebuild. Try doing a style rebuild and if you still get the (na) then you do not have those styles. What version of BiaB do you have?

Note rebuild is at the bottom of the style page.

I know what N/A means, but then what about these 4 above mentionned styles ? What are they ?
I don't know if you are able to listen to the song (I uploaded it on DropBox) of which I posted a link in my previous message.
Please do it and if possible explain me how I can hear these "sounds" or "styles".

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I forgot to tell you that I own Band in a Box Pro + Midi Soloist Set 5 (Bluegrass Soloing ReatTracks).

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Originally Posted by MarioD
It works here.

Originally Posted by Papity
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To answer your question, I am only using Styles with half-time base.
These are: BLUGRG8 Bluegrass Reso Solo 8ths at 260
BLUGRSM8 Classic Bluegrass 8ths-260 w/Mandolin
BGBDBS8 Fast BG 8ths-260 w/Banjo Solo
BLUGRA8 Bluegrass Quartet 8ths at 260
They are called HalfDouble and their LongName begins with (RT n/a)


Rebuild has been made but there is no change.

RT(na) is the problem. (na) means Not Available. You either do not have those styles or you have them but have not done a rebuild. Try doing a style rebuild and if you still get the (na) then you do not have those styles. What version of BiaB do you have?

Note rebuild is at the bottom of the style page.

I know what N/A means, but then what about these 4 above mentionned styles ? What are they ?
I don't know if you are able to listen to the song (I uploaded it on DropBox) of which I posted a link in my
previous message.
Please do it and if possible explain me how I can hear these "sounds" or "styles".

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Best I can tell from your upload is all is working. You are changing the styles a Bars 8, 46, and 64 using F5 which is correct. I have all these styles and the associated RTs ( No N/As here)

But the styples are so similar that I can barely differentiate them when they change - especially since they are operating at such stretched tempos. There is a visually indication that they change, and I do see this change occur, but this is very obscure (we have long asked for the mixer to change when the styple changes, it currently does not).

Here is the style at Bar 1 and Bar 8.

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What you may want to do instead of changing the whole style, simply change the single RT. Also, set tempo to 130! Is that so bad? It may help you hear the change. Good Luck.

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Thanks for listening.

I agree with you when saying some Bluegrass styles are very close, but this is not true for all of them.
The change at 90 eg, when the Resonator (BLUGR G8) is coming, is very obvious.
The same remark applies to the Banjo Solo ((BG BDBS8).

I prefer to keep the tempo at 210, some Bluegrass songs are very fast.

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Papity, sorry for any confusion I may have caused. I thought that those styles you had listed were the ones with the RT(na) but I was wrong.

I spent the last couple of hours messing with your song and I have come up with the conclusion that it is a complete mess as far as the style changes are concerned.

The same banjo solo plays throughout most of the song. I may be wrong on that as I am not a bluegrass expert but they did sound the same to me.

I did not hear the BLUGRSM8 Classic Bluegrass 8ths-260 w/Mandolin at all.

The BLUGRG8 Bluegrass Reso Solo 8ths was set at measure 46 but comes in on measure 91 ends at measure 127 with no style change at that measure!

A bad file save caused that when I had a problem similar to this. That is something must have happened during the save process. The only way out of my problem was to start over. That is delete that file and input the chords and styles again. Now when I do a lot of work in BiaB I save the file under a different file name like song1, song2 etc. That gives me a safe guard if something like this ever happens again. Note that problem only happened once for me.

Hopefully someone else can verify my findings.

I hope this helps and good luck.


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Papity, you've been helpful answering all these questions so we have the full info. I know it takes patience to work thorough a problem.

While I have zero understanding of bluegrass, I actually do understand one aspect of what you are doing, since Brazilian sambas (that I do understand quite well) and bluegrass are often written at similar tempos and appear in cut time so there aren't a million sixteenth notes. User Bobflatpicker may be able to help here, as his expertise includes bluegrass. Together we were able to promote implementing this cut-time feature of BIAB a few years ago, when few others understood. I'm sending Bob a PM.

Since Mario, Dan and I have all the RealTracks, we could not know for certain what you have, and we cannot replicate your situation. You said " I own Band in a Box Pro + Midi Soloist Set 5 (Bluegrass Soloing ReatTracks)." What I don't know is if the Soloist Set 5 has everything you need, along with the limits of what is included in the Pro version. Those entries of "n/a" would indicate this should be examined more closely.


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Best I can tell from your upload is all is working. You are changing the styles a Bars 8, 46, and 64 using F5 which is correct. I have all these styles and the associated RTs ( No N/As here)

But the styples are so similar that I can barely differentiate them when they change - especially since they are operating at such stretched tempos. There is a visually indication that they change, and I do see this change occur, but this is very obscure (we have long asked for the mixer to change when the styple changes, it currently does not).

Here is the style at Bar 1 and Bar 8.

[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in][img]

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What you may want to do instead of changing the whole style, simply change the single RT. Also, set tempo to 130! Is that so bad? It may help you hear the change. Good Luck.

Please bear in mind that a change of style "programmed" at Bar 8 will only take place at twice the bar #, at Bar 16 in this case.

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Mario: "The BLUGRG8 Bluegrass Reso Solo 8ths was set at measure 46 but comes in on measure 91 ends at measure 127 with no style change at that measure!"

Mario, Reso Solo was programmed to happen at bar 46 but comes at bar 91 (2 x 46 = 92). In the same way it ends at bar 127 because a change was programmed at bar 64 (2 x 64 = 128) and so on...
You may also look at bar 8 and 16, 46 and 92.
I don't know the reason therefore. Because the styles are Half Time ?

I made different versions of this backing track and I don't remember which one we are here referring to. So maybe the styles changes are not the ones here above mentionned.

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Originally Posted by Matt Finley
Papity, you've been helpful answering all these questions so we have the full info. I know it takes patience to work thorough a problem.

While I have zero understanding of bluegrass, I actually do understand one aspect of what you are doing, since Brazilian sambas (that I do understand quite well) and bluegrass are often written at similar tempos and appear in cut time so there aren't a million sixteenth notes. User Bobflatpicker may be able to help here, as his expertise includes bluegrass. Together we were able to promote implementing this cut-time feature of BIAB a few years ago, when few others understood. I'm sending Bob a PM.

Since Mario, Dan and I have all the RealTracks, we could not know for certain what you have, and we cannot replicate your situation. You said " I own Band in a Box Pro + Midi Soloist Set 5 (Bluegrass Soloing ReatTracks)." What I don't know is if the Soloist Set 5 has everything you need, along with the limits of what is included in the Pro version. Those entries of "n/a" would indicate this should be examined more closely.

Hi Matt, thanks for contacting Bob. Maybe he could explain why I have to handle the style changes in this manner, with a factor 2 correction.

The "n/a" issue seems to have disapear. Now all the styles I used are normal ones.
Is that because I rebuild the list ?

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The "n/a" issue seems to have disapear. Now all the styles I used are normal ones.
Is that because I rebuild the list ?

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I did reach out to Bob but he's no longer active here.


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No problem.
Everything is working well.
Thanks for trying.

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