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I heard a snippet of it this evening, sounds great.
I'm sure we will see similar uses of this AI tech by other bands.


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Originally Posted by Bass Thumper
I'm sure we will see similar uses of this AI tech by other bands.
I'm not sure I follow.

The AI tech that was used was training a neural network on John Lennon's voice, so it could be isolated from the demo track.

To some degree, we've already got that with Spleeter. And there are some pretty amazing noise reducing plug-ins.

Do you really think that there are those many bands that have old demos they need to extract isolated vocals from?


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Originally Posted by dcuny
Do you really think that there are those many bands that have old demos they need to extract isolated vocals from?

I think EVERY band has songs that didn't quite make the cut, no what level of "long forgotten" band they are. The difference would be who cares about an old demo by some one hit wonder band and who doesn't. I mean, if the song wasn't good enough to be on an album THEN, the song itself didn't get better with age, right?


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here it the making of ...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APJAQoSCwuA&t=1s

And here is the song....

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I'm glad I gave it a listen, but I don't think it was worth the effort. It just didn't sound organic to my ears.

It was a demo recording, so the song wasn't second nature yet, and it sounded that way to me. So it was interesting, but not anything I would buy.

On the other hand, if it could have been more under his skin, and fleshed out in the studio with some George Martin Magic, it could have been very nice.

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I heard it and listened carefully. Sorry, but I'm not impressed. I hear better songs here, and certainly much better quality mixes too.

I give it a solid..... "Meh"


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I give it a solid..... "Meh"

Agreed. Nothing to see here.


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Originally Posted by eddie1261
I think EVERY band has songs that didn't quite make the cut, no what level of "long forgotten" band they are. The difference would be who cares about an old demo by some one hit wonder band and who doesn't. I mean, if the song wasn't good enough to be on an album THEN, the song itself didn't get better with age, right?
That's my thought as well. I remember the complaint when Beatles albums were being released with additional material was that's exactly why the material wasn't released in the first place. There was the concern that releasing sub-standard material would diminish the existing output.

But sentiment is a strong driver.

The great thing is that this sort of technology is available to right now for us to apply to our own productions.

For example, over a decade ago I was in a church choir. There was a change in pastors, and for reasons we were being shown the door after 15 years.

I recorded the last two rehearsals, and decided to create a collection of "finished" songs, as we'd never really recorded ourselves before.

There were obvious problems I encountered. First, was that I only had mono tracks of the choir. The vocals weren't balanced, people were off-key, and there were flubs. This was, after all, a rehearsal.

Second, the tracks weren't done to a consistent beat, which meant tracks didn't align.

An third, what the piano and guitar played on one version of the song didn't always match with a different take, and would sometimes clash when layered.

I used BiaB to create the backing tracks, and time stretching the rehearsal tracks to fit. The results were... almost passable. It was a recording of a rehearsal, after all. But it was nice to have something to give to the choir.

I also re-recorded one song at the choir director's house, trying to fill in missing parts. But those were also not done to a click track, and each track had a piano on it, which made layering impossible.

Back in June, I was cleaning up my hard drive, and the tracks again. I used Spleeter to remove the piano so I had bare vocal stems and built a full track from all the parts.

The result wasn't perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but it was nice to finally be able to use those tracks as intended. If Melodyne was capable of pitch-correcting vocals, it would have been a lot nicer.

rayc posted a song the other week. The vocals had been recorded with a huge amount of hiss on them. I was able to use Waves Clarity VX and was able to completely de-noise the vocal.

It's really amazing technology, even if only to clean up some poorly recorded songs that no one but us wants to hear. wink


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As a true blue Beatles fan (and even more a Lennon fan) I enjoyed it very much! Was it the greatest Beatles song ever? No, of course not. But Johns voice is strong and beautiful. And reuniting John with Paul, George and Ringo, well, that is a Very Special Thing IMHO!

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Originally Posted by Bass Thumper
I'm sure we will see similar uses of this AI tech by other bands.
I'm not sure I follow.
Do you really think that there are those many bands that have old demos they need to extract isolated vocals from?
It is not possible to state with certainty how many bands will resurrect vocal and instrument recordings from the past for the purpose of producing new art.
But this we know, AI and computer technology can only get stronger with time and creatives (especially musicians) will find new and inspiring ways to use that technology.

To name just two bands, I would not be surprised at all if we see "new" works by The Mamas & the Papas or Crosby, Stills and Nash.


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Originally Posted by Bass Thumper
It is not possible to state with certainty how many bands will resurrect vocal and instrument recordings from the past for the purpose of producing new art.

Well, they would be REproducing OLD art, would they not? If it's already written...


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Originally Posted by Bass Thumper
It is not possible to state with certainty how many bands will resurrect vocal and instrument recordings from the past for the purpose of producing new art.

Well, they would be REproducing OLD art, would they not? If it's already written...
I think it was Frank Zappa who said his music was never finished, instead, it was merely in the state at which he last worked on it.

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... And reuniting John with Paul, George and Ringo, well, that is a Very Special Thing IMHO!
Yes, that is exactly what I focused on. The opportunity to reunite the fab-four was paramount in the creation of the song.
The song itself didn't have to be, nor was it expected to be a world number 1 hit. That was definitely not the intention of the production.


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So who determined and for what reasons the original material alluded was “sub par?” It was an opinion that could’ve been driven by a host of variables. Some of which were so contextual they are no longer relevant. I have no problem with letting the rubes in the provinces listen and decide if they like it. 🤪

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