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Originally Posted by MoultiPass
It's always nice to feel like you know before the official date. But the beta testers revealed nothing!
I'm going to quote you on that, since the integrity of the testers was questioned recently by someone here.


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Just know that Matt is not blowing his own horn! Oh wait according to the picture he is!

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Does BIAB 2024 still limit to 255 bars for a song?

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Originally Posted by Vincente
Does BIAB 2024 still limit 255 bars for a song ?
Yes.


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Yes the 255 was discussed and while they are planning to change that it did not make the list this release (2024) since the ones that did make it were very intense and required a lot of time and resources. I hear 255 and time signatures are still in planning.


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Originally Posted by Noel96
I think you'll like it Cerio. The new Multipicker Library is a brilliant addition.

Indeed, I've upgraded mainly for that feature alone. There's still room for improvement, of course, but now is much more easy (and more fun) to pick the right tracks / styles that work for your song. Plus, it will eventually replace all those different pickers, with different filters, different design, different options... doing essentially the same.

This is a big step in the right direction and, IMO, it will help a lot to simplify the use of the program, reducing obsolete and/or redundant GUI elements, and improving the workflow for many users.


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We recommended that the new multipicker replace all those other pickers, but they are still in place to help make the transition.


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I really like the tracks view for precisely regenerating portions of a track quickly. Just drag and highlight exactly what you want to regenerate and hit F8 and it will put in exactly the bars/beats you need, without having to figure it out and type in the numbers. The old F8 was fine if you wanted to regenerate whole bars, but took time if you wanted an exact portion of a bar or bars. Now you can have total control of what you want changed, down to a fraction of a beat, and it is super fast.

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Originally Posted by ThomasS
I really like the tracks view for precisely regenerating portions of a track quickly. Just drag and highlight exactly what you want to regenerate and hit F8 and it will put in exactly the bars/beats you need, without having to figure it out and type in the numbers. The old F8 was fine if you wanted to regenerate whole bars, but took time if you wanted an exact portion of a bar or bars. Now you can have total control of what you want changed, down to a fraction of a beat, and it is super fast.
Yep! It's great isn't it! Tracks View has really streamlined the refining of Realtracks. I used to do most of my adjusting of RTs in Reaper. Now, I'll be able to do it much quicker and smarter in BIAB smile


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I agree. Tracks view is a major, major workflow improvement. Not just in terms of visuals, but in terms of functionality. PG said in another post that copy / cut / paste functionality will be added shortly. I am very happy about that path of development. In fact, I hope that more and more functions will be added over time to the Tracks view - for example, volume automation would be extremely handy. Well done PGM!!!!

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Just a tiny but useful suggestion for Track view: the ability to see the cursor line overlapping over each track, vertically. This way it would be easier to identify more precisely the current position of the cursor in relation to track audio waves. Easier to edit precisely.

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Originally Posted by Jon Thomas
Just a tiny but useful suggestion for Track view: the ability to see the cursor line overlapping over each track, vertically. This way it would be easier to identify more precisely the current position of the cursor in relation to track audio waves. Easier to edit precisely.

Yes, that would be great. The tracks view is similar to most DAWs windows, and this is what most DAW users are used to.

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Next rev. (BIAB 2025) ?


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Vincente,
Not sure what you mean by "Next rev. (BIAB 2025) ?"
PGM usually releases several patches throughout the year with fixes and enchantments . To my understanding, this year it will be even better, as they will add new functions, not just fixes.

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Originally Posted by ThomasS
I really like the tracks view for precisely regenerating portions of a track quickly. Just drag and highlight exactly what you want to regenerate and hit F8 and it will put in exactly the bars/beats you need, without having to figure it out and type in the numbers. The old F8 was fine if you wanted to regenerate whole bars, but took time if you wanted an exact portion of a bar or bars. Now you can have total control of what you want changed, down to a fraction of a beat, and it is super fast.

Thomas are you referring to Control F8, or just F8? both work well F8 makes you save to keep the change and allows several options, and Control F8 makes you hit undo to go back. It works best for a quick change. Lots of cool tools to use.


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Originally Posted by Vincente
Next rev. (BIAB 2025) ?
Definitely not. There will be revisions (upgrades by way of patches) delivered in the very near future.


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As I understand Biab, like last year and even before, we are experiencing a beta test on a global scale. Within a week or two we will have a first fix with the most annoying bugs fixed.

Fortunately the Betatesters didn't say anything, surprise effect!

It was just really unexpected. This track view, this stylepicker, it’s great!


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Originally Posted by Rob Helms
Thomas are you referring to Control F8, or just F8? both work well F8 makes you save to keep the change and allows several options, and Control F8 makes you hit undo to go back. It works best for a quick change. Lots of cool tools to use.
Thanks for the tip, Rob. I have been using just F8 (I call it "fate") and didn't know about the other.

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Originally Posted by Jon Thomas
Just a tiny but useful suggestion for Track view: the ability to see the cursor line overlapping over each track, vertically. This way it would be easier to identify more precisely the current position of the cursor in relation to track audio waves. Easier to edit precisely.

It was my first thought when trying out the track view. Even with snap it's not easy because I couldn't find a way to reduce the snap resolution.
Unfortunately, so far with 2024, I'm really not as impressed as everyone else seems to be. I had high hopes but I'm not feeling very inspired by any of it yet. The whole thing is still a complete mess, it just takes a fewer clicks to arrive there.
I played around with it for about half hour and couldn't be bothered any more. I'll give it a chance before I make my mind up, maybe I just need to get used to a new workflow but I'm not feeling too confident if I'm honest.

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Originally Posted by Jon Thomas
Just a tiny but useful suggestion for Track view: the ability to see the cursor line overlapping over each track, vertically. This way it would be easier to identify more precisely the current position of the cursor in relation to track audio waves. Easier to edit precisely.

It was my first thought when trying out the track view. Even with snap it's not easy because I couldn't find a way to reduce the snap resolution.
Unfortunately, so far with 2024, I'm really not as impressed as everyone else seems to be. I had high hopes but I'm not feeling very inspired by any of it yet.

After playing witht the new version a little bit, I'm happy with the new Miltipicker and non modal windows, they work pretty well. The multitracks view, however, is still in very early alpha stage of development, IMO.

I'm sure they will fix the bugs and add the functionality most users expect when working with this view.


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