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In a certain bar I have an A chord, but what I hear sometimes is clearly A7. How do I tell BIAB not to play A7 there, but just the straight A chord?
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Hi Jos.
There are a couple settings that I would try.
1) In Song Settings (right click on the chordsheet and choose "Song Settings"), set the "Natural Arrangement" to disabled (this is a dropdown menu). Disabling it will stop BIAB from modifying some chord progression sequences. This will probably fix your problem.
2) If the problem still exists after changing the above, also in Song Settings there is an option to "Force Simple Arrangement". That will also help.
After making these changes, you will need to unfreeze any tracks and regenerate the song for the changes to take effect.
Hope this helps,
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Thanks Noel , I just tried both settings, but still have the same problem.
I asked Chat GP and got this answer
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To tell Band-in-a-Box not to play A7 in that bar and instead play the straight A chord, you can use the RealTracks Settings dialog. Here's how you can access it:
Press the [Prefs] button in the RealTracks Settings dialog.
In the RealTracks Settings dialog, locate the track that corresponds to the A chord.
In the "Holds" column for that track, check if there is a number or an "n" listed. If there is a number, it means that the RealTrack supports shots, holds, and pushes. If there is an "n", it means that the RealTrack supports them, but you don't have the necessary Holds files.
Assuming you have the necessary Holds files, you can now use Band-in-a-Box as you normally would. Type the chords with shots (C..), holds (C...), or pushes (^C or ^^C for 8th or 16th note push), or combinations of push and hold (^C....).
If you want to specifically prevent A7 from being played, make sure you don't include any periods (...) after the A chord. This will indicate to Band-in-a-Box that you want the straight A chord to be played instead of A7.
By following these steps, you can customize the chords played by Band-in-a-Box and ensure that only the straight A chord is played in that particular bar.
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Doesn't make sense to me!
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Chat GP is not correct. The three dots do not say "I want this chord played as written". They always mean "I want to hold this chord until another chord is played". I'm guessing that the hold chord is always played as written, but I'm not sure about that.
If you are still getting A7, these are things that will cause.
1) Did you save an audio file of your song? If you did, BIAB will load this in automatically when you open the song file and it will play. If this file contained A7, you will hear that. Trying muting your Audio track to see if a song file is present.
2) Did you unfreeze all your tracks and regenerate the song? This is necessary as it is through the regeneration process that BIAB puts the changes in place. If tracks are frozen, they will not be generated with new material.
3) There could be an incorrect mapping for the chord. This sometimes happens. When it does, PG Music need to re-map the chords in the audio file from which a particular track was generated.
4) Isolate which track or tracks are playing the 7th. This is usually easy to do by ear. If you want to see the notes, and you are familiar with a piano keyboard, use the Piano tab on the mixer and watch the chord play. Double check if there is a G (the 7th) being played when you hit the A chord.
I hope these ideas help.
--Noel
P.S. Chat GP is correct regarding a setting for 7ths in Realtracks preferences (I missed this one before). If you open the Realtracks Prefs ("Options | Preferences | Realtracks"), there is a setting for "On jazz realtracks, jazz up triads to sevenths".
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Thanks for your answer. Much appreciated!
1 and 2 are not the problem, there's an audio track with just vocals, and the tracks are not frozen.
3 How does this remapping work?
4 It's only one particular track (acousic guitar). I tried the "simple" option but is keeps playing the 7th (G) sometimes.
In the realtracks prefs the box for "jazz up" is unchecked. It's not a jazz realtrack anyway but a country track, so I guess it shouldn't matter.
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Jos
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The acoustic guitar track should be able to be edited in Notation to change the A7 to A without any issues.
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I put a short article in the Tips and Tricks forum that may help. The name is something like When BIAB doesn’t quite play the chords you wrote.
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Jos, Mapping is not something that a user can do. What you need to do is to freeze all the tracks on your song when the error is present and then send the file to pgmusic via email. Make a note of which bar and which instrument has the problem. Once PG Music is alerted, the development team will eventually correct the issue at the first opportunity. What Charlie is referring to is using Playable Realtracks. The video clip below explains how they work. A potentially easier solution would be to right-click on the Acoustic Guitar track in the mixer window and then select "Track Settings". After that, select "Auto fix sour notes" using the "Chords" option. It's also possible to... (1) Enter into the Audio Edit window. (2) Set the "Snap" to on. (3) Select the problem bar. (4) Make sure the Acoustic Guitar is selected. (5) Click on Edit. (6) Select "Generate" and then "Select and generate Realtracks". (7) If you don't like what's generated, regenerate again. (Also CTRL+Z will undo the generation if you want to return to the previous one.) This will cause just the selected area to be regenerated while the rest of the track remains the same. If you search Help for Audio Edit, you will find the an explanation as to how this works. Regards, --Noel
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Further to my previous post... Partial re-generation is a very, very powerful tool and it's worth taking the time to understand it. The below video clip gives a good insight into this feature. The section on re-generation starts at 10:30 (hopefully the link will take you to that spot).
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Hey Noel! Here is the same video starting where you wanted,
"https://youtu.be/ote3tifBuio?feature=shared&t=630"
Looks like the forum ignores the start time when the video is embedded.
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Hey Noel! Here is the same video starting where you wanted,
"https://youtu.be/ote3tifBuio?feature=shared&t=630"
Looks like the forum ignores the start time when the video is embedded. Thanks John. I appreciate it 
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<< 4 It's only one particular track (acousic guitar). I tried the "simple" option but is keeps playing the 7th (G) sometimes. >>
You can also use the Audio Edit Window to copy/paste an A from another bar and replace the A7 chord. Do this with every bar you want to replace the a7
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Okay, thanks for all your answers. I appreciate it very much.
Partial regeneration is what I'll try next!
Question remains though: why won't BiaB simply play exactly the A chord as entered. If I wanted an 7th chord I would have put an A7. I doesn't seem logical to me.
Regards, Jos
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Okay, thanks for all your answers. I appreciate it very much.
Partial regeneration is what I'll try next!
Question remains though: why won't BiaB simply play exactly the A chord as entered. If I wanted an 7th chord I would have put an A7. I doesn't seem logical to me.
Regards, Jos If it's a RealTrack instrument, its pre-recorded audio and the phrasing for the song progression you're using it's likely the session musician played a7.
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If it's a RealTrack instrument, its pre-recorded audio and the phrasing for the song progression you're using it's likely the session musician played a7. I was thinking exactly the same thing except the O/P mentioned that sometimes it plays an A and other times it plays an A7. So the session musician must have recorded both, unless perhaps the O/P was experimenting with different Styles / RealTracks?
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Okay, thanks for all your answers. I appreciate it very much.
Partial regeneration is what I'll try next!
Question remains though: why won't BiaB simply play exactly the A chord as entered. If I wanted an 7th chord I would have put an A7. I doesn't seem logical to me.
Regards, Jos Hi Jos, This is what I mean by "mapping". I don't know if PG Music use this terminology. It's simply a word that does the job for me. What happens with Realtracks, is that the performer plays a predetermined sequence of chords across a number of keys and creates a number of audio track. If you go to the \bb\Realtracks folder and have a listen to some of the audio files, you'll hear what I mean. After this is done, PG Music map where in the audio specific chords occur. These time-based audio coordinates are then used by BIAB when it reads the chordsheet and dices and splices chords together to create a backing track. In the original audio, it's possible that sometimes the mapping that exists for an A chord also includes an A7. This means that when you generate a song, sometimes you get A and sometimes you get A7. When PG Music know about this error, they can redefine/re-map the time coordinates so that A7 is no longer present in the A-chord section. This is why freezing all the song file tracks when the error is present, and then sending a copy of the frozen-track file to PG Music is the first step in correcting the mistake. Because the file is frozen, when PG Music generate it, they will get the same error that is present in the file. So if you tell them which bars to listen to, they will hear the same thing as you. PG Music will then know what the problem is and they will correct it with an adjusted interpretation of the Realtrack's audio. Ultimately, this will be sent to users when BIAB is updated. I hope this helps explain things. --Noel
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If it's a RealTrack instrument, its pre-recorded audio and the phrasing for the song progression you're using it's likely the session musician played a7. I was thinking exactly the same thing except the O/P mentioned that sometimes it plays an A and other times it plays an A7. So the session musician must have recorded both, unless perhaps the O/P was experimenting with different Styles / RealTracks? I agree but I also guessed that playing the chord progression, the session musician may have played the a7 on more occasions than a the A, generation or partial regeneration would select the a7 more often. Just guessing though.
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I agree but I also guessed that playing the chord progression, the session musician may have played the a7 on more occasions than a the A, generation or partial regeneration would select the a7 more often. Just guessing though. I absolutely agree, Charlie. It's most likely that the session musician recorded many different inversions and variations in the respective chords. I've heard many endings that end on a 7th, when in fact the required chord was a straight major. Poetic license?
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So the session musician must have recorded both Correct This is why freezing all the song file tracks when the error is present, and then sending a copy of the frozen-track file to PG Music is the first step in correcting the mistake. Exactly. With a frozen file, we can get the exact timestamp of which file it's in, making corrections much easier. If you freeze the tracks and email the SGU to support@pgmusic.com we can forward it on to the devs.
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