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Are you an audiophile in the same category as this guy who had a $50,000 custom turn table with three different tone arms? If so, (or if not) this article may interest you. Ken Fritz
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I am not an audiophile and I am not going sign in to read the article but I thought you may be interested in a saying that has been going around for years here. It is "a musician is someone with $10,000 worth of instruments but plays their records on a $25 turntable"! I was one of them but now I have a good turntable (Audio-Technica) for my record collection.
Seated at the restaurant, He "Darling can you say something that makes my heart beat faster"?
She "Your wife just walked in"!
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Hmmm, it's not forcing me to sign in.
I can read the entire thing free without signing in, I don't even have an account there.
https://soundcloud.com/user-646279677BiaB 2024 Windows For me there’s no better place in the band than to have one leg in the harmony world and the other in the percussive. Thank you Paul Tutmarc and Leo Fender.
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Obviously his 80 years old ears are standing up better than my 70 years old ears. I quite like the stereo long-case clocks, but personally think that may be taking things a bit too far. 
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The 10 foot high columns are way over the top for me but I wouldn't mind a pair of his smaller ones to replace my Pioneer towers.
Btw, for those that don't know it, if/when you blow out your speaker cones they can be repaired at very reasonable cost.
This happened to my 30+ yr old Pioneers and the sound now is as good as brand new.
https://soundcloud.com/user-646279677BiaB 2024 Windows For me there’s no better place in the band than to have one leg in the harmony world and the other in the percussive. Thank you Paul Tutmarc and Leo Fender.
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Audiophiles are probably the only people more gullible than musicians when it comes to wasting money on snake oil.
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I still couldn't read the article without signing in however I did find it here: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/he-spent-his-life-building-a-1-million-stereo-the-real-cost-was-unfathomable/ar-AA1mUqsxAfter reading it my only thought was I would not have a million dollar anything if it meant losing my family. Does anyone seriously listen to anymore? Personally I don't know anyone anymore who has a high end stereo. Back in the 60's and 70's a number of my friends had them.
Seated at the restaurant, He "Darling can you say something that makes my heart beat faster"?
She "Your wife just walked in"!
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High end stereo? Mario, actually mine still works fine, in the same two rooms I set it up in 1976. It includes an AR turntable, Kenwood amp and separate Kenwood tuner, and two sets of Pioneer speakers (the unpowered kind) 8" and 12". And 16-gauge speaker wire, which amazingly conducts electrons just as fast as Monster Cable does.  Somewhere in the pile is the 'audiophile certification' card granted me after an exam by some high-fidelity society I've long since forgotten. Half the time, though, I play back MP3s from my iPhone via the Bluetooth receiver connected to the RCA input jacks. Sacrilege?
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OK I stand corrected. I do know one person whom has a high end stereo system.
Seated at the restaurant, He "Darling can you say something that makes my heart beat faster"?
She "Your wife just walked in"!
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I had a co-worker who was an audiophile. His stereo system was his pride and joy. But nowhere as obsessive as this!
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Guy is obsessed with hi-fi. Amasses an impressive LP library, builds a hand-crafted audio system for a cost of over million dollars, and converts his living room into a fantastic listening room.
But in the process treats his kids as free labor and ends up estranged from most of them and his wife divorces him.
He remarries, gets ALS so he can't even use his system, dies, and it's all sold off for pennies on the dollar.
Not a happy ending.
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OK I stand corrected. I do know one person whom has a high end stereo system. I still have mine, too, though "high end" is a perspective. Arcam CD player, Naim Amp, Tannoy dual-concentrics in custom cabinets. The turntable is an ancient Goldring GL75, but on a substantial wooden base with a separately mounted SME3009 arm and Shure cartridge. The turntable is actually now connected to my PC, where I was using it to convert vinyl to digital until my depression crashed my motivation. It cost several zeros less than Mr. Fritz's system.
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The op required a sign in. Mario's link worked. My stereo, which is in my studio, is a JVC component system that I have had since I was in my 20s. Close to 50 years old. I upgraded my speakers to cerwin vega and replaced the cones with carvin guitar speakers when the CV cones deteriorated and fell apart. Literally. It sounds good and that's all I ask from it. I do need to clean the switches and selectors since they are a bit scratchy. Audiophile..... Unless you have a custom treated room, why bother? Anything you gain from the equipment is lost in the room resonance. BTW.... If anyone listens to the taxi TV shows that air on Mondays.... The one last night was particularly interesting because they were discussing this very topic about headphones, earbuds, room resonance, and how we hear our environment and the music we make. The folks were obviously hawking their very expensive ear buds but the storyline and discussion was very interesting. If you want to watch it and make up your own mind.... here's the YouTube link https://www.youtube.com/live/FzsBqjVU29U?si=cjiJOHw7k295VbuO
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Audiophile..... Unless you have a custom treated room, why bother? Anything you gain from the equipment is lost in the room resonance. I have previously mentioned curtains/drapes as a means to help control resonances. Imperfect, but fairly effective.
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High end stereo? Mario, actually mine still works fine, in the same two rooms I set it up in 1976. I'm not enough of an audiophile to even know if I have a high end system but I have a 100W Sony reviever driving 2 Pioneer towers and a 12" powered subwoofer all connected to my Smart TV and CD/DVD player. We mainly listen to Pandora on this system. Our 2nd system involves an Onkyo 5.1 reciever driving 2 large Klipsch speakers also connected to a CD player and my PC. I have several playlists of favorite artists on Windows Media Player that I can jam along with on my bass. Both systems deliver superb audio to my ears. I know vinyl is coming back/has come back but personally I don't see the point. My last turntable died decades ago.
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I had a co-worker who was an audiophile. His stereo system was his pride and joy. But nowhere as obsessive as this!
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Guy is obsessed with hi-fi. Amasses an impressive LP library, builds a hand-crafted audio system for a cost of over million dollars, and converts his living room into a fantastic listening room.
But in the process treats his kids as free labor and ends up estranged from most of them and his wife divorces him.
He remarries, gets ALS so he can't even use his system, dies, and it's all sold off for pennies on the dollar.
Not a happy ending. Truth be told, I didn't read the whole article . . . very busy these days. So thanks for summarizing it. I only skimmed it enough to conclude that others here may have an interest. For me, the main point is how passionate he was about music and how he assembled some neat technology to chase it. To be sure, not a particularly happy ending but at least he chased his dream. Did it say how he made his money?
https://soundcloud.com/user-646279677BiaB 2024 Windows For me there’s no better place in the band than to have one leg in the harmony world and the other in the percussive. Thank you Paul Tutmarc and Leo Fender.
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I had a co-worker who was an audiophile. His stereo system was his pride and joy. But nowhere as obsessive as this!
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Guy is obsessed with hi-fi. Amasses an impressive LP library, builds a hand-crafted audio system for a cost of over million dollars, and converts his living room into a fantastic listening room.
But in the process treats his kids as free labor and ends up estranged from most of them and his wife divorces him.
He remarries, gets ALS so he can't even use his system, dies, and it's all sold off for pennies on the dollar.
Not a happy ending. Truth be told, I didn't read the whole article . . . very busy these days. So thanks for summarizing it. I only skimmed it enough to conclude that others here may have an interest. For me, the main point is how passionate he was about music and how he assembled some neat technology to chase it. To be sure, not a particularly happy ending but at least he chased his dream. Did it say how he made his money? For me, the main point is that this guy's priorities were all screwed up.
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For me, the main point is how passionate he was about music and how he assembled some neat technology to chase it. Yeah, that's the problem with skimming - you can easily miss the main point. To be sure, not a particularly happy ending but at least he chased his dream. Did it say how he made his money? So you're still not going to read the article you posted a link to? He started a company that made fiberglass molds, and sunk all the money into his hobby. Here's one part you missed: “Nobody wanted to come to our house, because he wanted to put them to work,” said his daughter Patty, 58. “I think we went camping twice, never took vacation. It was just work, work, work.”
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“Growing up, I had to get up at 6 in the morning to work,” Kurt, 55, said. “I basically was his slave.”
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The big blowup with Kurt came in 2018, about two years after Fritz had declared that, at last, the world’s greatest stereo and listening room was complete. Kurt, on a visit home, decided to ask his father for a couple of family heirlooms: his grandfather’s 1955 Chevy and an old Rek-O-Kut turntable.
It wasn’t the size of the ask. The record player wasn’t worth more than a few hundred dollars. But the tone of the demand set off Fritz. He heard in it a sense of entitlement.
“It could have been a monkey wrench, the way he told me,” Fritz recalled later. “I told him: ‘Not going to happen.’”
It was past 1 a.m. when Kurt, with a few drinks in him, told his father he was going to stay up later and listen to some more music. All the work he had put into building that stereo system — pouring concrete, painting the walls — now Kurt wanted to enjoy it.
But Fritz hit the off switch on the Krells. And Kurt delivered the words the two of them could never come back from.
“I need you to die slow, m-----f-----,” he told his father. “Die slow.”
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I’ve waited decades for some self-avowed audiophiles to subject themselves to a double blind study re equipment/recording medium variables.
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So you're still not going to read the article you posted a link to? David's sentiment is right. I plead guilty and deserve The Moe, Larry and Curly Award for laziness.  And Bud makes a good point. How much of this technology really makes a meanigful difference? But I must admit, I do like BIG speakers.
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The entire story is actually tragic, right from the start, right to the end. A workaholic who invested a fortune chasing a dream, a family who could barely keep up with his work ethic, an illness that took away any quality of life, and a million dollars worth of integrated equipment that was separated and auctioned off at a fraction of its value.
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