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Are you an audiophile in the same category as this guy who had a $50,000 custom turn table with three different tone arms? If so, (or if not) this article may interest you. Ken Fritz
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I am not an audiophile and I am not going sign in to read the article but I thought you may be interested in a saying that has been going around for years here. It is "a musician is someone with $10,000 worth of instruments but plays their records on a $25 turntable"! I was one of them but now I have a good turntable (Audio-Technica) for my record collection.
I want my last spoken words to be "I hid a million dollars under the........................"
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Hmmm, it's not forcing me to sign in.
I can read the entire thing free without signing in, I don't even have an account there.
https://soundcloud.com/user-646279677BiaB 2024 Windows For me there’s no better place in the band than to have one leg in the harmony world and the other in the percussive. Thank you Paul Tutmarc and Leo Fender.
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Obviously his 80 years old ears are standing up better than my 70 years old ears. I quite like the stereo long-case clocks, but personally think that may be taking things a bit too far. 
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The 10 foot high columns are way over the top for me but I wouldn't mind a pair of his smaller ones to replace my Pioneer towers.
Btw, for those that don't know it, if/when you blow out your speaker cones they can be repaired at very reasonable cost.
This happened to my 30+ yr old Pioneers and the sound now is as good as brand new.
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Audiophiles are probably the only people more gullible than musicians when it comes to wasting money on snake oil.
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I still couldn't read the article without signing in however I did find it here: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/he-spent-his-life-building-a-1-million-stereo-the-real-cost-was-unfathomable/ar-AA1mUqsxAfter reading it my only thought was I would not have a million dollar anything if it meant losing my family. Does anyone seriously listen to anymore? Personally I don't know anyone anymore who has a high end stereo. Back in the 60's and 70's a number of my friends had them.
I want my last spoken words to be "I hid a million dollars under the........................"
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High end stereo? Mario, actually mine still works fine, in the same two rooms I set it up in 1976. It includes an AR turntable, Kenwood amp and separate Kenwood tuner, and two sets of Pioneer speakers (the unpowered kind) 8" and 12". And 16-gauge speaker wire, which amazingly conducts electrons just as fast as Monster Cable does.  Somewhere in the pile is the 'audiophile certification' card granted me after an exam by some high-fidelity society I've long since forgotten. Half the time, though, I play back MP3s from my iPhone via the Bluetooth receiver connected to the RCA input jacks. Sacrilege?
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OK I stand corrected. I do know one person whom has a high end stereo system.
I want my last spoken words to be "I hid a million dollars under the........................"
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I had a co-worker who was an audiophile. His stereo system was his pride and joy. But nowhere as obsessive as this!
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Guy is obsessed with hi-fi. Amasses an impressive LP library, builds a hand-crafted audio system for a cost of over million dollars, and converts his living room into a fantastic listening room.
But in the process treats his kids as free labor and ends up estranged from most of them and his wife divorces him.
He remarries, gets ALS so he can't even use his system, dies, and it's all sold off for pennies on the dollar.
Not a happy ending.
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OK I stand corrected. I do know one person whom has a high end stereo system. I still have mine, too, though "high end" is a perspective. Arcam CD player, Naim Amp, Tannoy dual-concentrics in custom cabinets. The turntable is an ancient Goldring GL75, but on a substantial wooden base with a separately mounted SME3009 arm and Shure cartridge. The turntable is actually now connected to my PC, where I was using it to convert vinyl to digital until my depression crashed my motivation. It cost several zeros less than Mr. Fritz's system.
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The op required a sign in. Mario's link worked. My stereo, which is in my studio, is a JVC component system that I have had since I was in my 20s. Close to 50 years old. I upgraded my speakers to cerwin vega and replaced the cones with carvin guitar speakers when the CV cones deteriorated and fell apart. Literally. It sounds good and that's all I ask from it. I do need to clean the switches and selectors since they are a bit scratchy. Audiophile..... Unless you have a custom treated room, why bother? Anything you gain from the equipment is lost in the room resonance. BTW.... If anyone listens to the taxi TV shows that air on Mondays.... The one last night was particularly interesting because they were discussing this very topic about headphones, earbuds, room resonance, and how we hear our environment and the music we make. The folks were obviously hawking their very expensive ear buds but the storyline and discussion was very interesting. If you want to watch it and make up your own mind.... here's the YouTube link https://www.youtube.com/live/FzsBqjVU29U?si=cjiJOHw7k295VbuO
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Audiophile..... Unless you have a custom treated room, why bother? Anything you gain from the equipment is lost in the room resonance. I have previously mentioned curtains/drapes as a means to help control resonances. Imperfect, but fairly effective.
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High end stereo? Mario, actually mine still works fine, in the same two rooms I set it up in 1976. I'm not enough of an audiophile to even know if I have a high end system but I have a 100W Sony reviever driving 2 Pioneer towers and a 12" powered subwoofer all connected to my Smart TV and CD/DVD player. We mainly listen to Pandora on this system. Our 2nd system involves an Onkyo 5.1 reciever driving 2 large Klipsch speakers also connected to a CD player and my PC. I have several playlists of favorite artists on Windows Media Player that I can jam along with on my bass. Both systems deliver superb audio to my ears. I know vinyl is coming back/has come back but personally I don't see the point. My last turntable died decades ago.
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I had a co-worker who was an audiophile. His stereo system was his pride and joy. But nowhere as obsessive as this!
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Guy is obsessed with hi-fi. Amasses an impressive LP library, builds a hand-crafted audio system for a cost of over million dollars, and converts his living room into a fantastic listening room.
But in the process treats his kids as free labor and ends up estranged from most of them and his wife divorces him.
He remarries, gets ALS so he can't even use his system, dies, and it's all sold off for pennies on the dollar.
Not a happy ending. Truth be told, I didn't read the whole article . . . very busy these days. So thanks for summarizing it. I only skimmed it enough to conclude that others here may have an interest. For me, the main point is how passionate he was about music and how he assembled some neat technology to chase it. To be sure, not a particularly happy ending but at least he chased his dream. Did it say how he made his money?
https://soundcloud.com/user-646279677BiaB 2024 Windows For me there’s no better place in the band than to have one leg in the harmony world and the other in the percussive. Thank you Paul Tutmarc and Leo Fender.
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I had a co-worker who was an audiophile. His stereo system was his pride and joy. But nowhere as obsessive as this!
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Guy is obsessed with hi-fi. Amasses an impressive LP library, builds a hand-crafted audio system for a cost of over million dollars, and converts his living room into a fantastic listening room.
But in the process treats his kids as free labor and ends up estranged from most of them and his wife divorces him.
He remarries, gets ALS so he can't even use his system, dies, and it's all sold off for pennies on the dollar.
Not a happy ending. Truth be told, I didn't read the whole article . . . very busy these days. So thanks for summarizing it. I only skimmed it enough to conclude that others here may have an interest. For me, the main point is how passionate he was about music and how he assembled some neat technology to chase it. To be sure, not a particularly happy ending but at least he chased his dream. Did it say how he made his money? For me, the main point is that this guy's priorities were all screwed up.
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For me, the main point is how passionate he was about music and how he assembled some neat technology to chase it. Yeah, that's the problem with skimming - you can easily miss the main point. To be sure, not a particularly happy ending but at least he chased his dream. Did it say how he made his money? So you're still not going to read the article you posted a link to? He started a company that made fiberglass molds, and sunk all the money into his hobby. Here's one part you missed: “Nobody wanted to come to our house, because he wanted to put them to work,” said his daughter Patty, 58. “I think we went camping twice, never took vacation. It was just work, work, work.”
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“Growing up, I had to get up at 6 in the morning to work,” Kurt, 55, said. “I basically was his slave.”
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The big blowup with Kurt came in 2018, about two years after Fritz had declared that, at last, the world’s greatest stereo and listening room was complete. Kurt, on a visit home, decided to ask his father for a couple of family heirlooms: his grandfather’s 1955 Chevy and an old Rek-O-Kut turntable.
It wasn’t the size of the ask. The record player wasn’t worth more than a few hundred dollars. But the tone of the demand set off Fritz. He heard in it a sense of entitlement.
“It could have been a monkey wrench, the way he told me,” Fritz recalled later. “I told him: ‘Not going to happen.’”
It was past 1 a.m. when Kurt, with a few drinks in him, told his father he was going to stay up later and listen to some more music. All the work he had put into building that stereo system — pouring concrete, painting the walls — now Kurt wanted to enjoy it.
But Fritz hit the off switch on the Krells. And Kurt delivered the words the two of them could never come back from.
“I need you to die slow, m-----f-----,” he told his father. “Die slow.”
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I’ve waited decades for some self-avowed audiophiles to subject themselves to a double blind study re equipment/recording medium variables.
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So you're still not going to read the article you posted a link to? David's sentiment is right. I plead guilty and deserve The Moe, Larry and Curly Award for laziness.  And Bud makes a good point. How much of this technology really makes a meanigful difference? But I must admit, I do like BIG speakers.
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The entire story is actually tragic, right from the start, right to the end. A workaholic who invested a fortune chasing a dream, a family who could barely keep up with his work ethic, an illness that took away any quality of life, and a million dollars worth of integrated equipment that was separated and auctioned off at a fraction of its value.
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I remember shopping for components with my older brother back in the 70's. The listening rooms in the high end stereo shops were great. The vinyl sounded so good. It was always so spectacular. He ended up with some Kenwood equipment and we played all our favorite albums for years on that stuff. He still has it and it still sounds as good today as it did back then. Audiophile, not really. Not high end, but I think it was about $1000 back then for all he ended up getting, which was quite a lot in the 70's, but he had a good job and enjoyed getting the toys he wanted. I miss that sound.
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I’ve waited decades for some self-avowed audiophiles to subject themselves to a double blind study re equipment/recording medium variables.
Bud I know what you mean, but up until a couple of years ago, I would have accepted your challenge. I've worked with many audio engineers in my career and I have proven to them I can hear things their equipment says are different that they cannot hear. Now, sadly, I am about to get fitted for my first hearing aide in ten days 
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I’ve waited decades for some self-avowed audiophiles to subject themselves to a double blind study re equipment/recording medium variables.
Bud I know what you mean, but up until a couple of years ago, I would have accepted your challenge. I've worked with many audio engineers in my career and I have proven to them I can hear things their equipment says are different that they cannot hear. Now, sadly, I am about to get fitted for my first hearing aide in ten days There's definitely a potential upside to that Matt. Maybe you'll recover some of what has more recently become a little degraded.
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I’ve waited decades for some self-avowed audiophiles to subject themselves to a double blind study re equipment/recording medium variables.
Bud I know what you mean, but up until a couple of years ago, I would have accepted your challenge. I've worked with many audio engineers in my career and I have proven to them I can hear things their equipment says are different that they cannot hear. Now, sadly, I am about to get fitted for my first hearing aide in ten days There are people who have listened to a great deal of top-flight content and equipment who can tell some surprisingly tiny differences with good repeatability. There are those who's answer to inconsistent test results is that there must be a flaw in the testing process that is affecting the outcome. There have been discoveries over the years that have have shed light on how sometimes people can hear differences that previously were considered nonsense or were not considered. The most obvious to me was TID (transient intermodulation distortion), where previously "low distortion" of typical sinusoidal measurement signals was extremely low, but the amplifier didn't sound right and people knew it. Ditto with electrolytic and ceramic capacitors when not used in the right ways. Part of the issue here is that it was never in Hi-Fi makers' interests to debunk some of the nonsense, because people will pay a lot of money for some intangibly 'better' component or system. An awful lot of the very top end of so many things is machismo and posturing. My house is better, my car is better, my watch is better, my 'phone is better.
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I’ve waited decades for some self-avowed audiophiles to subject themselves to a double blind study re equipment/recording medium variables.
Bud I know what you mean, but up until a couple of years ago, I would have accepted your challenge. I've worked with many audio engineers in my career and I have proven to them I can hear things their equipment says are different that they cannot hear. Now, sadly, I am about to get fitted for my first hearing aide in ten days I’ve worn aids for 12 years. I’m likely the oldest member of this old guy forum 😀 and I spent too many years engaging in hearing damaging activities before “wising” up. I hope you have the right audiologist for your needs. My Ph.D. audiologist is young and very bright. She is fascinated by my understanding of compression, eq, etc., and is sympathetic to my love of music production and nature. Thus she has, with my close input, created presets for different activities. She changed my life from hearing cymbals, shakers, etc., to listening to the sounds of nature while hiking and mountain biking. And I have what is medically considered a profound loss. She also constantly warns me to not expose myself to sounds exceeding 80db. I have a decibel meter on my Apple Watch that alerts me when that level is exceeded. Best to you! Bud PS And of course Janice’s remarkable hearing is a great asset!
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Thanks, Bud. Yes, mine is well qualified, and like your experience he was surprised by my knowledge of sound.
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I play music for the 45 to nearly dead age group. It's a good market in Florida, and I've targeted that crowd since the late 1980s. The only time I've been out of work was during the COVID lockdown.
I feel it's my responsibility not to damage their hearing, so when we do our sound check, we make sure the sound level at the nearest table is 85dba or less. If they ask us to turn up, we will, but then it's not us damaging their hearing.
I don't consider myself a real audiophile. While I love great sound, I am more moved by great expression. If it also sounds great, that's a definite plus.
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I play music for the 45 to nearly dead age group. It's a good market in Florida, and I've targeted that crowd since the late 1980s. "to nearly dead age group" gave me a chuckle. But then I realized that Florida is known as a retirement destination, so your business plan makes good sense. I guess everyone has to die somewhere. I wonder if coffin manufactures have figured that out Btw, how did Excel work out for your gig playlists, or did you go with another solution?
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Florida used to be “For the newlyweds and nearly deads.” before central AC came around and started the building boom. When DJs started taking the entertainment business in the youth bars, I made a choice to move to the retirement market. These people grew up when live bands were considered better than pre-recorded entertainment, and as you mentioned, it is a huge market. Wherever you are, if you want to make a living playing music, play what is in demand most, and try to do it better than your competition. I actually enjoy it more than the old singles bars (although when I was single, the youth market offered some stimulating after hours opportunities). The audience is more respectful, there are no barroom brawls, the gigs are shorter (3-4 hrs.), and usually earlier in the evening. Although I have to schlep gear every day, 2-3 gigs per week pay as much as the old 6 days in bars. I never used Excel for gig playlists. It's not a bad idea though. We have over 650 songs in our book, and I don't do set lists. I evaluate the audience, and how they are reacting to the song I'm playing, and then call the next song while we are playing the current one. I have an old-fashioned, 3 ring loose-leaf binder with our songs listed in categories to help me out. Just the title, and temps under headings like slow, swing standards, hard rock, moderate rock, Caribbean, country, etc. If I went Excel, I could add columns like date and artist so if someone comes up and asks for anything by The Temptaions, or from The 1990s, it would take less brain power. But with over 650 songs, and 15-20 gigs per month, that would have to wait until we aren't as busy. Notes
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I’ve waited decades for some self-avowed audiophiles to subject themselves to a double blind study re equipment/recording medium variables.
Bud I know what you mean, but up until a couple of years ago, I would have accepted your challenge. I've worked with many audio engineers in my career and I have proven to them I can hear things their equipment says are different that they cannot hear. Now, sadly, I am about to get fitted for my first hearing aide in ten days It actually happened some decades ago. Can't remember all the specifics but some saintly midwest audiophile group was subjected to such a test. I think it was Hi-Fi or Stereo Review magazine. They hauled out all the mark levinson preamps and other what not to test the ears of such avowed golden ears A $135 Onkyo Receiver won the challenge. Don't know the model number. I loosened up after that. Then I sold my Nakamichi Dragon for more than I paid for it. Now I mostly listen to mp3's through various sub $1000 systems. I no longer lug 60lb tube guitar amplifiers to gigs.
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Band-in-a-Box® 2024 German for Windows is Here!
Band-in-a-Box® 2024 für Windows Deutsch ist verfügbar!
Wir waren fleißig und haben über 50 neue Funktionen und eine erstaunliche Sammlung neuer Inhalte hinzugefügt, darunter 222 RealTracks, neue RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, "Songs with Vocals" Artist Performance Sets, abspielbare RealTracks Set 3, abspielbare RealDrums Set 2, zwei neue Sets von "RealDrums Stems", XPro Styles PAK 6, Xtra Styles PAK 17 und mehr!
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Update Your PowerTracks Pro Audio 2024 Today!
The Newest RealBand 2024 Update is Here!
The newest RealBand 2024 Build 5 update is now available!
Download and install this to your RealBand 2024 for updated print options, streamlined loading and saving of .SGU & MGU (BB) files, and to add a number of program adjustments that address user-reported bugs and concerns.
This free update is available to all RealBand 2024 users. To learn more about this update and download it, head to www.pgmusic.com/support.realband.htm#20245
The Band-in-a-Box® Flash Drive Backup Option
Today (April 5) is National Flash Drive Day!
Did you know... not only can you download your Band-in-a-Box® Pro, MegaPAK, or PlusPAK purchase - you can also choose to add a flash drive backup copy with the installation files for only $15? It even comes with a Band-in-a-Box® keychain!
For the larger Band-in-a-Box® packages (UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition), the hard drive backup copy is available for only $25. This will include a preinstalled and ready to use program, along with your installation files.
Backup copies are offered during the checkout process on our website.
Already purchased your e-delivery version, and now you wish you had a backup copy? It's not too late! If your purchase was for the current version of Band-in-a-Box®, you can still reach out to our team directly to place your backup copy order!
Note: the Band-in-a-Box® keychain is only included with flash drive backup copies, and cannot be purchased separately.
Handy flash drive tip: Always try plugging in a USB device the wrong way first? If your flash drive (or other USB plug) doesn't have a symbol to indicate which way is up, look for the side with a seam on the metal connector (it only has a line across one side) - that's the side that either faces down or to the left, depending on your port placement.
Update your Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows® Today!
Update your Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows for free with build 1111!
With this update, there's more control when saving images from the Print Preview window, we've added defaults to the MultiPicker for sorting and font size, updated printing options, updated RealTracks and other content, and addressed user-reported issues with the StylePicker, MIDI Soloists, key signature changes, and more!
Learn more about this free update for Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows at www.pgmusic.com/support_windowsupdates.htm#1111
Band-in-a-Box® 2024 Review: 4.75 out of 5 Stars!
If you're looking for a in-depth review of the newest Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows version, you'll definitely find it with Sound-Guy's latest review, Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows Review: Incredible new capabilities to experiment, compose, arrange and mix songs.
A few excerpts:
"The Tracks view is possibly the single most powerful addition in 2024 and opens up a new way to edit and generate accompaniments. Combined with the new MultiPicker Library Window, it makes BIAB nearly perfect as an 'intelligent' composer/arranger program."
"MIDI SuperTracks partial generation showing six variations – each time the section is generated it can be instantly auditioned, re-generated or backed out to a previous generation – and you can do this with any track type. This is MAJOR! This takes musical experimentation and honing an arrangement to a new level, and faster than ever."
"Band in a Box continues to be an expansive musical tool-set for both novice and experienced musicians to experiment, compose, arrange and mix songs, as well as an extensive educational resource. It is huge, with hundreds of functions, more than any one person is likely to ever use. Yet, so is any DAW that I have used. BIAB can do some things that no DAW does, and this year BIAB has more DAW-like functions than ever."
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