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I'd like to import songs out of America's Song Book or Real Book. Avoid having to type in all the chords, troubleshoot, try and find one of thousands of styles that is appropriate, and simply have the tunes to play along with and learn. Has anyone posted songs that can be downloaded and imported in Bnb or RealBand from Real Book?

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Check out Notes Norton music:

http://www.nortonmusic.com/

There are a number of fake books and BiaB styles available. I have a couple of the fake book disks and they are spot on. They contain the correct chord progressions and a suggested BiaB style. You just load them into BiaB and hit generate.


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Thanks. They are $50. I was looking for free downloads.

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They're very good, but this was also duscussed a short while ago and there are more links that may help +++ here +++ and +++ here +++


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Thanks for posting. There is absolutely nothing in any of those links. In case anyone is looking - there is nothing in any links I checked.

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....what.
I just tried to attach a Bnb song... and this forum, PG Music Forum (the Bnb people), won't accept a Bnb file format?
.....what.

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Originally Posted by falcon1az
....what.
I just tried to attach a Bnb song... and this forum, PG Music Forum (the Bnb people), won't accept a Bnb file format?
.....what.
Yes, that's correct.

From the attachment manager: "You may upload the following file types: .gif,.jpg,.png,.jpeg,.bmp,.tif. Only image files are permitted. "
I think it relates to copyright material being posted and shared on the PG Music platform, which potentially could be unlawful.

However, you can upload the file to a file sharing service (e.g.Drop Box) and include a link within your post.

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Originally Posted by falcon1az
Thanks. They are $50. I was looking for free downloads.

Damn! We really live in a society of freeloaders; everybody wants everything for free nowadays.

The bound version of the Real Book costs $40 on Amazon. And for only $10 more, Bob did all the work for you. Plus everything is correct? Where I come from, that is what's called a "smokin' deal."

If I was wanting to be a jazz player, I would be all over that like white on rice.


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Originally Posted by falcon1az
Thanks for posting. There is absolutely nothing in any of those links. In case anyone is looking - there is nothing in any links I checked.
A number of those links do seem to have died, though there are still some working.

What I notice is that those that are still working tend to be "pay-for" which suggests a couple of things. One is that only the people charging can afford continue to host, one is that any that were not paying appropriate royalties to the writers have been shut down.

A third is that some were quite old and the people who made them available are no longer willing or able to do that due, perhaps, to advancing years.


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people who made them available are no longer willing or able to do that due, perhaps, to advancing years.
Try here for one such: https://midkar.com/LES_GORVEN_STUDIO/Les_Gorvens_Home_Page.html


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Thanks for the recommendation, Mario.

What I do with the fake books, anyone can do. But it takes hundreds and hundreds of hours to complete one, test, make corrections, and finish.

If you buy one, a percentage goes to the authorization company, credit card or PayPal, and the subcontractor who chooses the styles. (If I picked the styles myself, I'd end up using mine, because I know them best). Then there are monthly fees for the web hosting company, shopping cart, bank, Visa/MC merchant's account, insurance, secure SSL certificate, and so on.

I've been audited twice by BMI, so what I'm doing is strictly legal. What I paid for legal advice was worth it.

The Real Book is here, and it uses all Real Styles from PG Music. https://www.nortonmusic.com/fake37.html

There is a lot of free stuff on the Internet. I'm hoping all the work, care, and the benefit of my experience as a career musician and multi-instrumentalist makes my products worth the money. And from what I've found, it's much better than the freebies I've seen on the 'net.

If it's not right for you, that's OK. There is no one-size-fits-all.

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I'm nothing close to a professional musician. This is 100% entertainment for me.

I was hoping the "forum" section from PB Music would offer users, enthusiasts an opportunity to share files on all matters Bnb, including Real Book songs.

I'm not interested in deep diving endless technical matters related to building songs, typing chords, intros, exits, turn arounds, endless review of styles. I like playing along with a "band" and learning some new tunes. The bonus long the way, get a little better at sight reading and playing songs.

So here I am on the "forum" - exploring whats out there for song files to share among users, enthusiasts. What I've found is some people trying to provide helpful ideas, links, pay for service, and another criticizes the effort as one of a "freeloader".

There is always "that guy" out there.

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This looks promising! Thank you.

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This looks promising - thank you!

Try here for one such: https://midkar.com/LES_GORVEN_STUDIO/Les_Gorvens_Home_Page.html

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Ok, we'll try "Dropbox" and creating a link. Thank for the tip!

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Originally Posted by falcon1az
... another criticizes the effort as one of a "freeloader". There is always "that guy" out there.
It's possible 'that guy' is a professional musician who may have spent decades learning the craft, paid hundreds for copies of the various RealBooks, thousands for software to experiment with the songs and create backing tracks, and now wonders why anyone would make a career out of writing music if it is all free. But that's just a guess.


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Lots of possibilities who "that guy" might be. "Professional musician"... really?

"Professional musicians" calling people "freeloaders" because they want to share music, ideas, as a part of a community with a common interest.

Its quite honestly anything BUT professional.

I see it as a person who likes to slam other people. "That guy" takes pleasure in criticizing people. Couldn't keep their sarcasm to themselves. Wanted to get out there and spread it around.

"Professional" is the LAST word I'd use to describe another person that publically calls out people as "freeloaders".

But thats just me...

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Ok. How about "thief." Because that is what someone who steals is and what you are suggesting is stealing intellectual property.

There's a reason why PG Music will only let you post original music.


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Great... "that guy" is back.

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Hi falcon1az,
I think one thing that you need to take into account is that this is a general, open forum with a broad range of participants ranging from totally casual members, who perhaps have little or no musical experience and are just 'social' visitors, all the way to professional musicians who rely on music for their livelihood. This other end of the scale invests heavily in developing and producing music products at a much more commercial level. They rely on a return on their investment for their survival.

There's plenty of free stuff out there, it may be low grade but also may do the job you want.

There's also higher level material available, but it comes at a price.

The choice is yours, but it's perhaps wrong to not take into account that there is a cost already involved in producing a professional product when someone suggests that they cannot provide it to you for free. They are generally justifying that they cannot provide it as a freebie, together with reasons.

Also, please don't be too offended because one person used the term 'freeloaders'. Many have tried to assist and explain their unique situations in detail, and additionally others have offered possible no cost solutions in an effort to help you.

Good luck with your music.


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