PG Music Home Forums PG Music Product Forums Band-in-a-Box for Windows Cut Time?

Index

Print Thread

Go To

Page 1 of 2

Cut Time? #801006 02/20/24 09:40 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Apr 2002 Posts: 612 Lowell, MA Funkifized OP Journeyman
OP Funkifized Journeyman Joined: Apr 2002 Posts: 612 Lowell, MA	I'm trying to write out "Spain" by Chick Corea. How do I get a good Samba rhythm in Cut Time(2/2)? Band-in-a-Box® for Windows Version 2025 (1128) 64 bit application RealBand 2025 (5) Windows 10 Pro 64-bit Intel Core i7 4800MQ @ 2.70GHz Haswell 22nm Technology 16.0GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 798MHz (11-11-11-28)

Re: Cut Time? Funkifized #801043 02/21/24 06:36 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 6,348 Fort Pierce, Florida, U.S.A. Notes Norton Veteran
Notes Norton Veteran Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 6,348 Fort Pierce, Florida, U.S.A.	I have 3 EXPANDED Samba styles that should work. https://www.nortonmusic.com/styledemo.html#ss Notes ♫ Bob "Notes" Norton Norton Music https://www.nortonmusic.com 100% MIDI Super-Styles recorded by live, pro, studio musicians for a live groove & Fake Disks for MIDI and/or RealTracks

Re: Cut Time? Funkifized #801107 02/21/24 02:15 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 2,312 Victoria, BC Callie - PG Music PG Music Staff
Callie - PG Music PG Music Staff Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 2,312 Victoria, BC	I used the Familiar Song Title filter in the StylePicker, and entered "chick corea spain" and it offered many styles, all 4/4 (but this can be adjusted in the Editable Notation window). I further filtered the search specifying "samba" - the top 5 results are: _TRIPEAR (from Loops-with-Styles PAK 1) _RAMBHA (from Xtra Styles PAK 11) _HEATWAV (from Xtra Styles PAK 2) =DOGS_BJ (from Realtracks Set 11) DogSamba (from MIDI Styles Set 17) (feel free to give this a try on your own installation of course) Once you've chosen your Style, pop into the Editable Notation Window to adjust your time signature from 4/4 to 2/2, for Cut Time. -Callie

Re: Cut Time? Callie - PG Music #801117 02/21/24 03:53 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Apr 2002 Posts: 612 Lowell, MA Funkifized OP Journeyman
OP Funkifized Journeyman Joined: Apr 2002 Posts: 612 Lowell, MA	I think changing the time sign in the "editable notation" window will be the answer that I'm looking for. Will the Real Tracks reflect this change, as well? Or does that not even matter in this instance? (I'm not near BIAB until at least tonight) Band-in-a-Box® for Windows Version 2025 (1128) 64 bit application RealBand 2025 (5) Windows 10 Pro 64-bit Intel Core i7 4800MQ @ 2.70GHz Haswell 22nm Technology 16.0GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 798MHz (11-11-11-28)

Re: Cut Time? Funkifized #801132 02/21/24 05:44 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 20,297 Melbourne, Australia AudioTrack Veteran
AudioTrack Veteran Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 20,297 Melbourne, Australia	If you are looking for notation in Cut Time, while not perfect, this might get you a little closer. (Don't worry that the Style Time Signature still shows as 4/4 after setting your song to 2/4) BIAB & RB2025 Win.(Audiophile), Sonar Platinum, Cakewalk by Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M Monitors, Pioneer Active Monitors, AKG K271 Studio H'phones

Re: Cut Time? AudioTrack #801133 02/21/24 05:56 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 20,297 Melbourne, Australia AudioTrack Veteran
AudioTrack Veteran Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 20,297 Melbourne, Australia	By the way, if you're looking at Spain, do check out Yohan Kim's version (he's about 14 years old when he performed this): BIAB & RB2025 Win.(Audiophile), Sonar Platinum, Cakewalk by Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M Monitors, Pioneer Active Monitors, AKG K271 Studio H'phones

Re: Cut Time? AudioTrack #801143 02/21/24 07:09 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Apr 2002 Posts: 612 Lowell, MA Funkifized OP Journeyman
OP Funkifized Journeyman Joined: Apr 2002 Posts: 612 Lowell, MA	Originally Posted by AudioTrack If you are looking for notation in Cut Time, while not perfect, this might get you a little closer. (Don't worry that the Style Time Signature still shows as 4/4 after setting your song to 2/4) So, I'm not sure how that all works. If I do what you've suggested, should I notate the melody in double time, with half notes equalling quarter notes, 8ths becoming 16ths, etc.? Band-in-a-Box® for Windows Version 2025 (1128) 64 bit application RealBand 2025 (5) Windows 10 Pro 64-bit Intel Core i7 4800MQ @ 2.70GHz Haswell 22nm Technology 16.0GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 798MHz (11-11-11-28)

Re: Cut Time? Funkifized #801158 02/21/24 08:35 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 20,297 Melbourne, Australia AudioTrack Veteran
AudioTrack Veteran Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 20,297 Melbourne, Australia	Cut time, or Alla Breve is a meter time where each beat is a half-note (or minim) value, and there are two of these beats per bar. I don't think that BiaB natively supports 2/2 time signatures. Certainly it can be notated in 4/4. BIAB & RB2025 Win.(Audiophile), Sonar Platinum, Cakewalk by Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M Monitors, Pioneer Active Monitors, AKG K271 Studio H'phones

Re: Cut Time? Callie - PG Music #801166 02/21/24 09:15 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Apr 2002 Posts: 612 Lowell, MA Funkifized OP Journeyman
OP Funkifized Journeyman Joined: Apr 2002 Posts: 612 Lowell, MA	Originally Posted by Callie - PG Music I used the Familiar Song Title filter in the StylePicker, and entered "chick corea spain" and it offered many styles, all 4/4 (but this can be adjusted in the Editable Notation window). I further filtered the search specifying "samba" - the top 5 results are: _TRIPEAR (from Loops-with-Styles PAK 1) _RAMBHA (from Xtra Styles PAK 11) _HEATWAV (from Xtra Styles PAK 2) =DOGS_BJ (from Realtracks Set 11) DogSamba (from MIDI Styles Set 17) (feel free to give this a try on your own installation of course) Once you've chosen your Style, pop into the Editable Notation Window to adjust your time signature from 4/4 to 2/2, for Cut Time. -Callie How do I adjust the tune sig to 2/2? Band-in-a-Box® for Windows Version 2025 (1128) 64 bit application RealBand 2025 (5) Windows 10 Pro 64-bit Intel Core i7 4800MQ @ 2.70GHz Haswell 22nm Technology 16.0GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 798MHz (11-11-11-28)

Re: Cut Time? Funkifized #801168 02/21/24 10:14 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Apr 2002 Posts: 612 Lowell, MA Funkifized OP Journeyman
OP Funkifized Journeyman Joined: Apr 2002 Posts: 612 Lowell, MA	I've picked a Samba style, gone to Editable Notation window, found 2/2(cut time). However, no joy. Time sig in the main window still says 4/4, and for whatever reason, the notation doesn't work out with the chords correctly. What am I missing? Attached Files (Click to download or enlarge) (Only available when you are logged in) Spain.png (61.47 KB, 108 downloads) Band-in-a-Box® for Windows Version 2025 (1128) 64 bit application RealBand 2025 (5) Windows 10 Pro 64-bit Intel Core i7 4800MQ @ 2.70GHz Haswell 22nm Technology 16.0GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 798MHz (11-11-11-28)

Re: Cut Time? Funkifized #801171 02/21/24 10:33 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 20,297 Melbourne, Australia AudioTrack Veteran
AudioTrack Veteran Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 20,297 Melbourne, Australia	Originally Posted by Funkifized I've picked a Samba style, gone to Editable Notation window, found 2/2(cut time). However, no joy. Time sig in the main window still says 4/4... If it's the one shown below, this is the time signature of the Style. Changing the notation to a different time signature doesn't change the time signature that the Style was created in. BIAB & RB2025 Win.(Audiophile), Sonar Platinum, Cakewalk by Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M Monitors, Pioneer Active Monitors, AKG K271 Studio H'phones

Re: Cut Time? AudioTrack #801172 02/21/24 10:37 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Apr 2002 Posts: 612 Lowell, MA Funkifized OP Journeyman
OP Funkifized Journeyman Joined: Apr 2002 Posts: 612 Lowell, MA	Okay, give up. Given the lead sheet that I posted, how does one generate "Spain"? Band-in-a-Box® for Windows Version 2025 (1128) 64 bit application RealBand 2025 (5) Windows 10 Pro 64-bit Intel Core i7 4800MQ @ 2.70GHz Haswell 22nm Technology 16.0GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 798MHz (11-11-11-28)

Re: Cut Time? Funkifized #801173 02/21/24 10:37 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 20,297 Melbourne, Australia AudioTrack Veteran
AudioTrack Veteran Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 20,297 Melbourne, Australia	Originally Posted by Funkifized I've picked a Samba style, gone to Editable Notation window, found 2/2(cut time). However, no joy. Time sig in the main window still says 4/4, and for whatever reason, the notation doesn't work out with the chords correctly. What am I missing? What does your notation look like? Is that what you have shown, or is that the notation from elsewhere that you are attempting to duplicate? BIAB & RB2025 Win.(Audiophile), Sonar Platinum, Cakewalk by Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M Monitors, Pioneer Active Monitors, AKG K271 Studio H'phones

Re: Cut Time? Funkifized #801177 02/21/24 11:25 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 20,297 Melbourne, Australia AudioTrack Veteran
AudioTrack Veteran Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 20,297 Melbourne, Australia	Originally Posted by Funkifized Okay, give up. Given the lead sheet that I posted, how does one generate "Spain"? Is this close to what you want? Last edited by AudioTrack; 02/22/24 12:33 AM. BIAB & RB2025 Win.(Audiophile), Sonar Platinum, Cakewalk by Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M Monitors, Pioneer Active Monitors, AKG K271 Studio H'phones

Re: Cut Time? AudioTrack #801185 02/22/24 02:13 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Apr 2002 Posts: 612 Lowell, MA Funkifized OP Journeyman
OP Funkifized Journeyman Joined: Apr 2002 Posts: 612 Lowell, MA	Originally Posted by AudioTrack Originally Posted by Funkifized Okay, give up. Given the lead sheet that I posted, how does one generate "Spain"? Is this close to what you want? I'm not understanding the reply. I entered the notation the way it's shown on the lead sheet, but it doesn't generate correctly. My question is, how can I generate this tune, which should use a cut time samba groove? Band-in-a-Box® for Windows Version 2025 (1128) 64 bit application RealBand 2025 (5) Windows 10 Pro 64-bit Intel Core i7 4800MQ @ 2.70GHz Haswell 22nm Technology 16.0GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 798MHz (11-11-11-28)

Re: Cut Time? Funkifized #801186 02/22/24 02:45 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 20,297 Melbourne, Australia AudioTrack Veteran
AudioTrack Veteran Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 20,297 Melbourne, Australia	Originally Posted by Funkifized Originally Posted by AudioTrack Originally Posted by Funkifized Okay, give up. Given the lead sheet that I posted, how does one generate "Spain"? Is this close to what you want? I'm not understanding the reply. I entered the notation the way it's shown on the lead sheet, but it doesn't generate correctly. My question is, how can I generate this tune, which should use a cut time samba groove? Most step-entered notation will never sound the same as the music created by 'real musicians'. It will lack nuances that give it the human touch. Is the problem that it sounds too rigid, too fast, too slow. Please explain what 'it doesn't generate correctly' means. BIAB & RB2025 Win.(Audiophile), Sonar Platinum, Cakewalk by Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M Monitors, Pioneer Active Monitors, AKG K271 Studio H'phones

Re: Cut Time? AudioTrack #801190 02/22/24 03:25 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jan 2015 Posts: 2,462 Hampshire, UK Gordon Scott Veteran
Gordon Scott Veteran Joined: Jan 2015 Posts: 2,462 Hampshire, UK	Originally Posted by AudioTrack Most step-entered notation will never sound the same as the music created by 'real musicians'. It will lack nuances that give it the human touch. Aye, stepwise notation always sounds artificial, sometimes almost robotic. It lacks the subtle timing and touch/feel aspects. I suspect the only sensible way to get the subtleties is to use MIDI from an real musician. In principle one could edit the piano roll, but that's hard work as one needs to make small adjustments to an awful lot of notes. FWIW, I learned something about how BIAB works when I imported a MusicXML file of a Latin piece with syncopations and many short rests ... BIAB was just dropping the rests from the notation and even when I reinserted them manually, they would keep disappearing. In my case it was auto-hiding rests of a full 3/8 duration! From another thread: Originally Posted by Gordon Scott I can only imagine that it's to hide subtle timing effects from the notation, i.e., when someone is playing ahead of or behind the beat. One doesn't want hundreds of 1/64 notes or rests all over the notation. If one looks at the underlying data for styles, it can look awful. The notation in BIAB is normally, very sensibly, presented as it would be written, ignoring the subtleties of the played track. Edit: BTW the omission of rests as per my imports can be controlled with an option "minimize rests", but of course it doesn't resolve the issue of stepwise/played input. A manual search should find it. Last edited by Gordon Scott; 02/22/24 03:28 AM. Reason: addendum Jazz relative beginner, starting at a much older age than was helpful. AVL:MXE Linux; Windows 11 BIAB2025 Audiophile, a bunch of other software. Kawai MP6, Ui24R, Focusrite Saffire Pro40 and Scarletts .

Re: Cut Time? Gordon Scott #801194 02/22/24 03:53 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Apr 2002 Posts: 612 Lowell, MA Funkifized OP Journeyman
OP Funkifized Journeyman Joined: Apr 2002 Posts: 612 Lowell, MA	Are we seriously arguing about the rigidness of step entry? Is no one understanding the problem here? The tune is in cut time! The time signature is wrong and can't be changed. The pulse of the song is wrong. Jesus, how does one enter the chords and melody, whether step entry or otherwise, so that the pulse is correct? Double the length of the notes and double the tempo of the tune? There seriously has to be a better way to deal with cut time. Is "Spain" not common enough a tune to warrant someone wanting to make a backing track? This is like the twilight zone. Band-in-a-Box® for Windows Version 2025 (1128) 64 bit application RealBand 2025 (5) Windows 10 Pro 64-bit Intel Core i7 4800MQ @ 2.70GHz Haswell 22nm Technology 16.0GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 798MHz (11-11-11-28)

Re: Cut Time? Funkifized #801197 02/22/24 04:57 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 20,297 Melbourne, Australia AudioTrack Veteran
AudioTrack Veteran Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 20,297 Melbourne, Australia	Originally Posted by Funkifized Are we seriously arguing about the rigidness of step entry? Is no one understanding the problem here? The tune is in cut time! The time signature is wrong and can't be changed. The pulse of the song is wrong. Jesus, how does one enter the chords and melody, whether step entry or otherwise, so that the pulse is correct? Double the length of the notes and double the tempo of the tune? There seriously has to be a better way to deal with cut time. Is "Spain" not common enough a tune to warrant someone wanting to make a backing track? This is like the twilight zone. Quote Jesus, how does one enter the chords and melody, whether step entry or otherwise, so that the pulse is correct? That part can easily be undertaken. Forget step entry. Just connect your keyboard to your BiaB MIDI input, press Record and just play the song. When you play it back, it will be exactly as you have performed it, note-for-note, nuances and all. Other solutions are above my pay-grade (which, by the way is free). Another suggestion is to try support@pgmusic.com Let us know how you go. Good luck! BIAB & RB2025 Win.(Audiophile), Sonar Platinum, Cakewalk by Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M Monitors, Pioneer Active Monitors, AKG K271 Studio H'phones

Re: Cut Time? Funkifized #801205 02/22/24 07:02 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jan 2015 Posts: 2,462 Hampshire, UK Gordon Scott Veteran
Gordon Scott Veteran Joined: Jan 2015 Posts: 2,462 Hampshire, UK	Originally Posted by Funkifized Double the length of the notes and double the tempo of the tune? There seriously has to be a better way to deal with cut time. BIAB's time signatures are all constructed from some subset and/or combination of 4/4 time. There are workarounds, but they're imperfect, e.g., 5/4 is done as a pair of bars 3/4 + 2/4. On the Song Settings dialog there are options to allow some interpretation, notably the options "allow RealTracks Half-time/Double-time" (and also the general use of triplets for swing, 6/8 and the like). That may help your quest. Jazz relative beginner, starting at a much older age than was helpful. AVL:MXE Linux; Windows 11 BIAB2025 Audiophile, a bunch of other software. Kawai MP6, Ui24R, Focusrite Saffire Pro40 and Scarletts .

Go To

Page 1 of 2

Moderated by Andrew - PG Music, Callie - PG Music, Catherine, Jeff Yankauer, PeterGannon, pgmoderation

Link Copied to Clipboard

ChatPG

Ask sales and support questions about Band-in-a-Box using natural language.

ChatPG's knowledge base includes the full Band-in-a-Box User Manual and sales information from the website.

PG Music News

July 01, 2025

Video: Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®: VST3 Plugin Support

Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac® now includes support for VST3 plugins, alongside VST and AU. Use them with MIDI or audio tracks for even more creative possibilities in your music production.

Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Macs®: VST3 Plugin Support

Video: Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®: Using VST3 Plugins

Join the conversation on our forum.

June 30, 2025

Band-in-a-Box 2025 for Mac Videos

With the release of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac, we’re rolling out a collection of brand-new videos on our YouTube channel. We’ll also keep this forum post updated so you can easily find all the latest videos in one convenient spot.

From overviews of new features and walkthroughs of the 202 new RealTracks, to highlights of XPro Styles PAK 8, Xtra Styles PAKs 18, the 2025 49-PAK, and in-depth tutorials — you’ll find everything you need to explore what’s new in Band-in-a-Box® 2025.

Reference this forum post for One-Stop Shopping of our Band-in-a-Box® 2025 Mac Videos — we’ll be adding more videos as they’re released!

June 28, 2025

Band-in-a-Box 2025 for Mac is Here!

Band-in-a-Box^® 2025 for Mac is here, packed with major new features and an incredible collection of available new content! This includes 202 RealTracks (in Sets 449-467), plus 20 bonus Unreleased RealTracks in the 2025 49-PAK. There are new RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, “Songs with Vocals” Artist Performance Sets, Playable RealTracks Set 4, two new sets of “RealDrums Stems,” XPro Styles PAK 8, Xtra Styles PAK 19, and more!

Special Offers
Upgrade to Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac with savings of up to 50% on most upgrade packages during our special—available until July 31, 2025! Visit our Band-in-a-Box^® packages page for all the purchase options available.

2025 Free Bonus PAK & 49-PAK Add-ons
We've packed our Free Bonus PAK & 49-PAK with some incredible Add-ons! The Free Bonus PAK is automatically included with most Band-in-a-Box^® for Mac 2025 packages, but for even more Add-ons (including 20 Unreleased RealTracks!) upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for only $49. You can see the full lists of items in each package, and listen to demos here.

If you have any questions, feel free to connect with us directly—we’re here to help!

May 21, 2025

Band-in-a-Box 2025 Italian Version is Here!

Cari amici
È stata aggerate la versione in Italiano del programma più amato dagli appassionati di musica, il nostro Band-in-a-Box.
Questo è il link alla nuova versione 2025.

Di seguito i link per scaricare il pacchetti di lingua italiana aggiornati per Band-in-a-Box e RealBand, anche per chi avesse già comprato la nuova versione in inglese.

Band-in-a-Box 2025 - Italiano
RealBand 2025 - Italiano

April 15, 2025

Band-in-a-Box 2025 French Version is Here!

Bonjour à tous,

Band-in-a-Box^® 2025 pour Windows est disponible en Français.
Le téléchargement se fait à partir du site PG Music

Pour ceux qui auraient déjà acheté la version 2025 de Band-in-a-Box (et qui donc ont une version anglaise), il est possible de "franciser" cette version avec les patchs suivants:

BIAB 2025 - francisation
RealBand 2025 - francisation

Voilà, enjoy!

April 14, 2025

Band-in-a-Box 2025 German Version is Here!

Band-in-a-Box 2025 für Windows Deutsch ist verfügbar!

Die deutsche Version Band-in-a-Box^® 2025 für Windows ist ab sofort verfügbar!

Alle die bereits die englische Version von Band-in-a-Box und RealBand 2024 installiert haben, finden hier die Installationsdateien für das Sprachenupdate:

https://nn.pgmusic.com/pgfiles/languagesupport/deutsch2025.exe
https://nn.pgmusic.com/pgfiles/languagesupport/deutsch2025RB.exe

March 19, 2025

Update Your Band-in-a-Box® 2025 to Build 1128 for Windows Today!

Already using Band-in-a-Box 2025 for Windows®? Download Build 1128 now from our Support Page to enjoy the latest enhancements and improvements from our team.

Stay up to date—get the latest update now!

More News

Forum Statistics

Forums58

Topics84,178

Posts776,055

Members39,590

Most Online25,754
Jan 24th, 2025

Newest Members

Logogogue, NGS, lduf, ghghtyy, ostermans
39,589 Registered Users

PG Music Home Forums PG Music Product Forums Band-in-a-Box for Windows Cut Time?

What are you looking for?

Search Site

International Band-in-a-Box versions - Band-in-a-Box.com

Other ways to find help.

Toll Free Lines

Online Tech Support