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Flute Solos #801605 02/24/24 01:01 PM Beginners Forum
Joined: Oct 2017 Posts: 18 Central New York State R Rich35 OP Enthusiast
OP Rich35 Enthusiast R Joined: Oct 2017 Posts: 18 Central New York State	Hi I am doing a cover of Nights in white satin,how can I find a Flute obtion for a Solo ? I have 2024 band in a Box ultra ? Thanks Rich

Re: Flute Solos Rich35 #801613 02/24/24 04:23 PM Beginners Forum
Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 19,122 Melbourne, Australia AudioTrack Veteran
AudioTrack Veteran Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 19,122 Melbourne, Australia	Originally Posted by Rich35 Hi I am doing a cover of Nights in white satin,how can I find a Flute obtion for a Solo ? I have 2024 band in a Box ultra ? Thanks Rich Rich, I'm not sure that you'll find the same flute solo as the song, but open the RealTracks picker, filter by the word 'Flute' and listen to the available samples. To preview, you can play them with backing or as a solo. BIAB & RB2024 Win.(Audiophile), Sonar Platinum, Cakewalk by Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M Monitors, Pioneer Active Monitors, AKG K271 Studio H'phones

Re: Flute Solos Rich35 #801627 02/24/24 08:31 PM Beginners Forum
Joined: Jun 2020 Posts: 2,344 United States Bass Thumper Veteran
Bass Thumper Veteran Joined: Jun 2020 Posts: 2,344 United States	Rich, If you have a keyboard with a flute voice you can record it yourself. I spent about an hour and recorded this. It's far from perfect but you get the idea. I don't read music so I just played along with the track until I got something half decent. If your keyboard skills are about as good as mine, MIDI might be a way to go. Flute Solo https://soundcloud.com/user-646279677 BiaB 2024 Windows For me there’s no better place in the band than to have one leg in the harmony world and the other in the percussive. Thank you Paul Tutmarc and Leo Fender.

Re: Flute Solos Rich35 #801636 02/25/24 01:47 AM Beginners Forum
Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 2,026 Essex England Bob Calver Veteran
Bob Calver Veteran Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 2,026 Essex England	midi is the way to go. play the solo on a keyboard and choose a midi flute. its quite easy to work out by ear. i did as lead guitarist in a band and played the solo with lots of sustain overdrive and treble cut

Re: Flute Solos Rich35 #801665 02/25/24 08:23 AM Beginners Forum
Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 11,729 Wauconda D DrDan Veteran
DrDan Veteran D Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 11,729 Wauconda	Ya, Bass and Bob have this right. You really will need the midi (or play it ) since this is not something you want some RT jamming on... . A cover of this song has to do it justice since everyone knows the notes! Final Tour - Not with a Bang but with a wimper! Ended.

Re: Flute Solos Rich35 #801670 02/25/24 10:01 AM Beginners Forum
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Bass Thumper Veteran Joined: Jun 2020 Posts: 2,344 United States	This is actually an interesting subject. With today's (old and new) technology one has several choices to accomplish something like this. It depends on the goals, tools available, time and maybe budget. If the goal is absolute "perfection" then acquiring a recording from a masterful muscian may be the choice. If improving your MIDI skills and producing a note for note output is the goal, then doing MIDI yourself could work. If the satisfaction and growth from playing a physical instrument is important, then working with a physical flute or keyboard might make sense. If staying within BiaB is important, then an RT might be your choice even though, note for note you may not get close to the original. But some covers intentionally do not want to duplicate the original note for note. Personally, I have BiaB, my bass guitar, a capable keyboard, a drum pad, drum machines, a software sequencer, and human collaborators available (so far I haven't touched MIDI). So when constructing a new song I find the inevitable decision trees all part of the fun. https://soundcloud.com/user-646279677 BiaB 2024 Windows For me there’s no better place in the band than to have one leg in the harmony world and the other in the percussive. Thank you Paul Tutmarc and Leo Fender.

Re: Flute Solos Bass Thumper #801672 02/25/24 11:04 AM Beginners Forum
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DrDan Veteran D Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 11,729 Wauconda	Originally Posted by Bass Thumper This is actually an interesting subject. Ya, I was also listening to this back in the day... Would you like the midi file? Final Tour - Not with a Bang but with a wimper! Ended.

Re: Flute Solos DrDan #801676 02/25/24 12:24 PM Beginners Forum
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Bass Thumper Veteran Joined: Jun 2020 Posts: 2,344 United States	Originally Posted by DrDan Would you like the midi file? I have no need for it, but if Rich comes back maybe he would. But I am curious, did you build that yourself? If so, in what tool? https://soundcloud.com/user-646279677 BiaB 2024 Windows For me there’s no better place in the band than to have one leg in the harmony world and the other in the percussive. Thank you Paul Tutmarc and Leo Fender.

Re: Flute Solos Bass Thumper #801756 02/26/24 06:16 AM Beginners Forum
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DrDan Veteran D Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 11,729 Wauconda	Originally Posted by Bass Thumper If so, in what tool? This is done in Musescore. Final Tour - Not with a Bang but with a wimper! Ended.

Re: Flute Solos DrDan #801770 02/26/24 08:38 AM Beginners Forum
Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 6,197 Fort Pierce, Florida, U.S.A. Notes Norton Veteran
Notes Norton Veteran Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 6,197 Fort Pierce, Florida, U.S.A.	Originally Posted by DrDan Originally Posted by Bass Thumper This is actually an interesting subject. Ya, I was also listening to this back in the day... Would you like the midi file? I realize that was the 'machine' playing it, and not meant to be an emulation of the performance. But As a flute player, that was terrible. IMO, what's wrong with it? 1) The flute solo isn't and shouldn't be quantized. This sounds robotic 2) There are no dynamics, every not is the same volume 3) The articulation of every note is the same 4) There are no ornaments. grace notes, slurs, etc 5) There is no realistic flute vibrato. I think if you practiced it on a MIDI keyboard until it's under your fingers, then recorded it in real time with a good physical modeling flute synth patch you could get close enough to a real flute to pull it off. As a flute player, I do a number of things to get expression out of the solo, including: 1) Changing the tightness/looseness of my embouchure to get more or less air sound 2) Roll the flute a bit in either direction for intonation ornaments 3) Do various things with my oral cavity and throat to change the tone a bit 4) Use vibrato, which on the flute is more volume than pitch change, and not similar to the sine wave LFO on synth patches. It's closer but not like a square wave, and the frequency is seldom constant. But I play flute, so I listen critically to flute synth patches. I also play sax, guitar, bass, drums, wind synth, and they listened to as critically, too. Plus instruments I don't play. How does each instrument get their expression? Guitarists bend strings, change the angle and firmness of picking, hammer-ons, pull-offs, picking closer to the neck or the bridge, when using fingers for vibrato it's more from the pitch to above the pitch and back, hitting a note a half step flat and bending up to it, and so on. Sax players change the shape of their oral cavity, adjust their breath support, change the pressure of the lip on the reed, use throat growl, flutter tongue, and so on. To do a good emulation of an acoustic instrument, first you need to know the limitations and advantages of the instrument. This is defined by the construction. For example, if you use pitch bends on the piano it isn't going to sound like a piano (it might sound good, but it won't sound like a piano). Once you understand how the instrument gets its expression, it'll help you know what to do to get a MIDI voice sound like the instrument you are trying to emulate. I hope this helps. It's an acquired skill. When I first started playing synths back in the DX7/TX81z days, I started learning these things. Decades later, I'm a lot better at it now. Each new discovery adds to your knowledge base and will make the music sound better. Insights and incites by Notes. Bob "Notes" Norton Norton Music https://www.nortonmusic.com 100% MIDI Super-Styles recorded by live, pro, studio musicians for a live groove & Fake Disks for MIDI and/or RealTracks

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