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RE reaper specific features in bb 2024 plug in.
some background.
For years I did tons of songs in the combo of realband/bb/reaper.I loved the combo.
BUT mostly using the reaper versions around v 2 which is able to host pg dx plugins which i love cos nary a problem and the fact ive developed a bunch of funky tricks useing pg dx. also i use sometimes in v2 some vst plugins.
( i like and am used to v2 and i dont need the features in later reap versions).
THUS , and i'm sure the answer to this is no. will the special edition of bb plugin for reaper work in old versions ? if not v 2 what earliest version of reaper ?
I guess it depends when the reaper api features came out used by bb plugin coders ?
any help appreciated.
happiness.
om
Last edited by justanoldmuso; 03/14/24 07:22 AM.
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The PG DX plugins work in Reaper v7. You should be able to run both version if you install the latest as a portable. Just backup your Reaper resource folder. You should be able to copy it to the portable install folder so you have the same settings/plugins in the new version. https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=230721https://forums.cockos.com/showthread.php?p=414233
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mcity.
thanks but maybe i wasnt clear.
i dont want to run v7.
i just want to know if i can get bb plugin 2024 reaps specific features to work in earlier reaper versions ..
eg v2 or even earlier.
if not what early older reaper version ?
v3 ? v4 ? as examples.
basically the earlier reaps versions do the job for me as i just use reaper for editing basically now as bb and rb have more features
now i needed. eg new bb tracks view that floats my boat in bb 2024. of course i would like more daw like editing in bb and hope this comes about.
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Well if you are using wma then you would need at least 6.57 I think it was, as the Media Foundation was added to it when I asked them to make it handle wma correctly.
If you are using wav then an earlier version will work but you will just have to try different versions if it's not working in your v2.
But I would be just installing v7 as portable and trying out to see if there is anything you don't like or can't use.
You might be able to get a v2 skin for it ?
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You can have 2 or more BBPLUGINS to give as many tracks as you like.
You can have many Tabs with different styles using the same chords and copy selected tracks from one Tab to another.
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Here's Reaper 7 left and Reaper 2 right, 7 is using the v2 skin, they are both running at the same time: ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=27628&filename=Reaper-7-2.png)
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mcity.
thanks but thats not what im asking. i was an early adopter before r gained a huge world base of users.
what i want to know is will the special bb r features work in ALL r versions even the earliest because as far as i understand didnt the reaps api's for use by other coders come out years later ?
it would be best imho if pg posted from what earliest r version the special bb features apply to ?
anyway now my eye surgery is done im gonna have time to see if
i can get the special bb features in v2 r which supports vst's.
So dont trouble yourself and thanks.
happiness.
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As I said in the previous post that you need version 6.57 to use Biab wma.
There is no API scripting in version 2 that the PLUGIN uses.
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mcity.
sorry for my stupidity.
sigh i gotta use a later version of r.
you see i dont wanna upgrade cos bb/rb are getting very close to meeting all my needs. i just now use r 2 for editing tricks i use.
suggest pg state that the special features for r dont apply to earlier versions of r.
much as i like rv2 im hoping soon i can do everything in bb/rb as im weary re flitting between different apps.
if my wishes are fulfilled re upgrades to the fab new bb tracks view i will be ecstatic. Love it. best thing to happen ever to bb imho.
thanks again.
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If you can move up to Rv3 that will give you scripting API but you will have to convert your tracks to flac wav or mp3 etc.. to be able to easily and instantly transfer Biab tracks to Reaper now, otherwise you will have to wait more years for Biab to get decent DAW tracks let alone 48 tracks that could be even more years down the track as you need to wait a whole year in between each update to get the next step on the way to utopia. The whole idea of Reaper is to give you that editing NOW otherwise it's year in year out waiting and hoping, and getting older...... The PLUGIN is being updated at the moment with fixes I suggested it needs, this includes the current PLUGIN rendering to Reaper track templates, these can be dragged in directly into Reaper from the PLUGIN track or SavedTracks folder, this should work in Rv2 as I just looked and it has Track > Insert Track Template. I just tried the PLUGIN in v2 and it seems to work fine, but the Send won't work because no API but once they add the current fixes of being able to drag the track data (Track Template) from the PLUGIN tracks into Reaper it should work fine, but you will have to use wav files with Biab as v2 don't load wma. There is a decompress option in Biab to convert all to wav. ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=27630&filename=ReaperV2-BiabVST.png)
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mcity.
thanks but im happy way i am.
i just drag the tracks in r v2 from always open bb.
the problem with useing the bb latest plug in version in say
an upgrade from r v2 to v6 is by useing the plug in i lose the lovely new bb tracks view which i adore.
(bb tview still needs more work tho.imho)
same with realband its just easy peasy to drag tracks from bb into rb.
im a simple soul...lol
tbh i dunno and maybe im stupid and i guess its cos ive developed my own ways over the years useing the bb/rb/v2 r combo but again today i tried the bb v6 plug in but its just not for me.
maybe its just im so used to bb non plugin version.
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This is how it will work, you will be able to drag the track data from the PLUGIN directly into Rv2: ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=27631&filename=Reaper-V2-Drag-Track-Template.gif) This is Bass, Electric, BritInvasion Ev 120.RTrackTemplate <TRACK
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You can't do this with consolidated wav files dragged from Biab: ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=27632&filename=Reaper-V2-Drag-Track-Template2.gif)
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mcity.
thanks see my comments above re v6 bb plugin not haveing the bb new lovely tview.
ill do more experiments with bb plugin and r2.
fyi there are more important things in my life at the moment.
the eye surgeons have given me vision ive never ever had in my life. im stoked....ecstatic.
i laud your commitment and inventiveness.
respect.
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That is awesome with your eyes !!
The "bb new lovely tview" is the idea from Reaper with the Riff Edit, using the PLUGIN will give you this in Rv2 with next fix but you won't be limited to 24 tracks.
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mcity.
re new bb tview. or lets call it ntv..lol...or bbtv.
pg have the opportunity to slay the daw market if certain upgrades are made to bbtv imho.
ive made various suggestions to pg which i hope will be implemented. imho pg has the business oportuity to grow the user base with new daw upgrades to bbtv.
we will see.
re eyes...brilliant surgeons.
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I will post this as a new thread also. Now for the original .di files that the PLUGIN is currently making needs to have a line: Name "" for them to drag/open in Reaper version 2 the first 2 items I added Name "" to a line then they load in otherwise it's an empty item EDIT: the name would of been just the wav/take name that can be blank. Bass - 1255 Bass, Electric, PopShiningA-B Ev 120 .di.RTrackTemplate <ITEM
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mcity.
i feel in a catch 22 situation.
much as i love rb..if i use it i lose the uber speed of new bb 2024 track genning which i love.
otoh if i use bb i cant edit a track as easily like i can in rb or rv2.
im forced to use the one track at a time bb audio editor...sigh. whereas in rb and rv2 i can see all other tracks.
you see i do a ton of editing on vocals....eg moving a note slightly forward or back in time and various tricks ive used over time in rv2....which is only reason i use rv2 cos i like its ease of editing for tracks.
ideally if bbtv had editing like rv2 i could do all my edits in bbtv i wouldnt need rv2....OR...if i had the bb uber fast genning features in rb i could just work in rb.
in summary i would be a happy if i could do all in one app.
ie either bb or rb. thus simplifying things in a major way.
sigh. plusses and minuses...lol.
happiness
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Yes, it a time thing waiting year in year out for this to be added to the new Track view, eventually down the track it will have all this. I think when the drag track data is added in the next release, and you can use that in Rv2 it will be a game changer for you once you start using it. How it is now you have to select the instrument from a dropdown then select the Reaper track from a dropdown then click Send, the drag and drop will be much easier, not to mention the generate speed. When it first came out we needed to go and make a cup of tea then come back. I don't think you have Rewire in Rv2 ? with Rewire Biab and Rv7 you have the API so you can solo a new track in Biab and play it along with all the tracks in Reaper and if it sounds good you can instantly transfer it. ReWire_VST_DEMO.zipWatch Video: BB24-Rewire-Reaper.mp4 Another issue with Rv2 you don't have Tabs for multiple projects.
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mcity.
what baffles me and maybe im missing something...
but why werent the r specific features implemented in vanilla non plugin bb rather than the new bb vst plugin
ie just have an invoke r button in normal bb ?
Frankly if the new bbtv gets the added daw features i need i wont need rv2 anymore....even though im nostalgic about rv2....lol.
before i even got into bb/rb i did a load of songs and vocs useing powertracks and early r versions
at that time years ago. what i did was use early r versions with powertracks to get tracks down...basically beds saveing me studio cost before going into the big boy studios and finishing the song. also saved a bundle on 2 inch tape.
aah those were the days....lol. the big boys studios ae's invariably said to me 'you did all this useing just 2 creation apps costing 100 bucks ?'....lol.
originally of course the big boys poopoohed r.but now that big r has a world base of users of course the big boys now want in and their pet features implemented in r.
but such features i dont need i only need rv2.
which floats my boat due to the kiss concept....im used to it and can work fast which i like to do so i dont lose ideas when they come fast and furious.
see where im coming from ?
i would respectfully suggest that even though many r users are on rv7 probably rv2 would be enough for many r users to do songs. Its much simpler especially for a new user to r.
ps re rb i cant wait for rb to get the new groovy mpicker and the track gen speed like bb 2024.
happiness.
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Update your Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows® Today!
Update your Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows for free with build 1111!
With this update, there's more control when saving images from the Print Preview window, we've added defaults to the MultiPicker for sorting and font size, updated printing options, updated RealTracks and other content, and addressed user-reported issues with the StylePicker, MIDI Soloists, key signature changes, and more!
Learn more about this free update for Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows at www.pgmusic.com/support_windowsupdates.htm#1111
Band-in-a-Box® 2024 Review: 4.75 out of 5 Stars!
If you're looking for a in-depth review of the newest Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows version, you'll definitely find it with Sound-Guy's latest review, Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows Review: Incredible new capabilities to experiment, compose, arrange and mix songs.
A few excerpts:
"The Tracks view is possibly the single most powerful addition in 2024 and opens up a new way to edit and generate accompaniments. Combined with the new MultiPicker Library Window, it makes BIAB nearly perfect as an 'intelligent' composer/arranger program."
"MIDI SuperTracks partial generation showing six variations – each time the section is generated it can be instantly auditioned, re-generated or backed out to a previous generation – and you can do this with any track type. This is MAJOR! This takes musical experimentation and honing an arrangement to a new level, and faster than ever."
"Band in a Box continues to be an expansive musical tool-set for both novice and experienced musicians to experiment, compose, arrange and mix songs, as well as an extensive educational resource. It is huge, with hundreds of functions, more than any one person is likely to ever use. Yet, so is any DAW that I have used. BIAB can do some things that no DAW does, and this year BIAB has more DAW-like functions than ever."
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