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On The Wings Of LoveEvery night, city lights call out to us
The spotlight shines as we both take our places
The curtains rise and we stand together
Once again the we play our parts with burning hearts
You want to live in this world forever
Like the sun you're shining bright
Letting go, you spread your wings and take flight
You want to ride on the wind forever
Soaring high, forever young
Your dreams are songs that were never sung
Let's fly together
Aim for the moon and the stars high in skies above
on the wings of love
In endless flight, like satellites,
we circle round, falling down
entangled in our gravity
Just you and me, we can't break free
But why would we?
Here with you is the only place i want to be
I want to be in your world forever,
every day and every night
Side by side, we'll catch the wind and take flight
We're gonna ride on the wind forever
In the sky, forever young
Our dreams are songs that have just begun
We're gonna last forever
Cause nothing can stand in our way
Let's fly together to every star in the sky high up above
on the wings of loveEdit 1: I went back and replaced the bass part. It's not as nicely played as BiaB does it, but hopefully it meshes a bit better with the other tracks. Instruments and EffectsRealTracks1749:Synth, Rhythm ModernDancePopOctave16thsA-B Ev 120 629:Guitar, Electric, Rhythm PopAmericanDirty Ev 120 1744:Synth, Rhythm ModernDancePopRaveDrops Ev 120 RealDrums, ModernDancePop^16-a:Snare, Bass , b:Bass, Cymbal Master Buss: Hornet 32Mk II, Fame Studio Reverb, Lurssen Mastering Console (Pop Rock, Warmer) Lead Vocal: SynthesizerV (Saros), Hornet Sleek, Greg Wells VoiceCentric (Collar Grab Vocal), LX480 (Joe C Vocal Plate), Waves Doubler Bass: Ibanez GIO, EZMix2 (Bass 2) BiaB Drums: Chris Lord Alge Drums (Room) MIDI Drums 1: Addictive Drums (Farifax Vol. 2, Big OH and Room) MIDI Drums 2: UJAM Phat (mixed really low) Percussion: UJAM Groovemate One (Pop Standard) BiaB Guitar: Trackspacer, Panagment 2 BiaB Synth1: Trackspacer, Panagment 2 MIDI Picked Electric Guitar: Indiginus Generation (Clean Twin) MIDI Picked Acoustic Guitar: Indiginus Renegade Acoustic MIDI Strummed Guitar 1: Native Instruments Electric Vintage MIDI Strummed Guitar 2: Native Instruments Electric Mint String Runs: Red Room Audio Palette Arps And Runs (Strings) Strings: Red Room Audio Palette Primary Colors The Boring Details TL;DR: All comments are appreciated.  I'd been intending to do something outside my wheelhouse for some time - a poppy dance song. I found the DANCERK.STY demo. I playing around with the chords until I had something that wasn't a total copy of the demo.  I used Saros on the vocal, but I've got mixed feelings about him. He's got a high level of energy, but when he's belting a song out, he can he a bit... much. I originally, had the song in D, shifted it up A as a better register, moved it down to G so he wouldn't be so tiring on the ears, and ended up in F to bring him a bit lower, with the final modulation to G. As usual, the lyrics were a struggle for me. Finally, I just threw in dummy lyrics to get something written, and after listening through them a couple of times, decided they were 80% good enough. I continued to tweak the lyrics as I worked on other aspects of the song. I realize that I'm overusing the word "forever", and I've traded in a solid rhyme scheme for inner rhymes. I wouldn't be surprised if I decided to make changes later on. I'd had the string runs library for a while now, and kept intending to use them... eventually. I think they work nicely here. The other string parts are pretty simple - just glue to the runs, and a bit of filler. I tried adding some harmonies, but it didn't really seem to work. I tried auto-generating harmonies with BiaB, but that was a disaster, because there are lots of jazzy chords that change early and often. So it's basically a solo. The mix lacked variety, which I expected from choosing a style that was already full with only few instruments. I added some MIDI rhythm guitars, which seemed to punch things up a bit. Changing to fingerpicked guitars (technically, they are strummed, but whatever) on the bridge added some additional contrast. I thought could alternate between the BiaB track and a basic drum track. There was a sale on an inexpensive Linn Drum library, so spent money and I was pretty happy with it, until I had my son listen to the mix, and they pointed out the places where my drum part was fighting against the BiaB drum. sigh.They suggested I could try leaning into the EDM sound, but that would mean having to listen to EDM, That required more effort than I willing to make. That wasn't going to happen, because I knew the vocal part would then have to be changed. And rather than do that, I decided to find another drum track. After lots of experimentation, I eventually went with the Fairfax Volume 2 kit in Addictive Drums, which I think added a lot of punch and had the vintage sound I was looking for. Then I played around with the balance of the instruments and figured... good enough for now. But it's probably not, so feel free to offer suggestions and critiques. At least I remembered to add a modulation at the end this time!
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"That would mean having to listen to EDM...required more effort than I willing to make. " Ha! A laugh out moment for me.
David, thanks for the detailed account. Think a song like this is more about the journey than the destination, and it sounds like you had many learning opportunities along the way here. And that's enough.
But I like what you've done with the song (though not a genre I'm an expert at) and it sounds great to me. You describe Solara as sometimes "belting a song out", a characteristic that I hear as "singing show tunes". So I can't help but hear this as a show tune. But there ARE folks on the stage dancing, so it is a dance tune to me as well.
Anyway, CONGRATULATIONS on your thoughtful excursion. Looking forward to your next one!
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This sounds really cool man.
Great energy!
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WHoa! I pushed Play and it pushed back. Hit me in the face with a very powerful punch of a good song. Very impressive work on the synth, Saros. Hard-hitting abnd is perfect and the melody works so well, too. Nice build with dynamics. Cool composition and well produced. David, I always thoroughly enjoy what you call "The Boring Details."
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Hmh, I'm a bit on the fence about this song, David. I really like what your singer is doing, you've written a _really_ great melody. The backing tracks sound like a mix of styles, but they're not consistently woven together. IMO they're lacking the glue. I think a simpler arrangement with a clearer focus would do better justice to the beautiful vocals. They deserve it  BTW, I really love your 'Boring Details'. The journey to the end result is always interesting.
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David,
Wow! That is really impressive! The song has great energy and the singer has an epic voice!
Love this production - you have a great touch with this technology and you know how to make it completely musical.
Awesome!
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I used Saros on the vocal, but I've got mixed feelings about him. He's got a high level of energy, but when he's belting a song out, he can he a bit... much. David, I must agree with your quote above. I felt a bit unmoored and drifting when listening and had difficulty searching for a structural scaffold that I could anchor to, although the vocals were hi-energy. I agree with B.D. " The backing tracks sound like a mix of styles, but they're not consistently woven together. IMO they're lacking the glue." A lack of glue is one way to put it, another is a lack of identifiable repetition that can anchor the listener. That said, I can see a lot of work went into this production, skills that I certainly don't have. And I found the mix to be well balanced .
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Hi, Ron. David, thanks for the detailed account. Think a song like this is more about the journey than the destination, and it sounds like you had many learning opportunities along the way here. And that's enough. Yep, every song teaches me something new. But I like what you've done with the song (though not a genre I'm an expert at) and it sounds great to me. You describe Solara as sometimes "belting a song out", a characteristic that I hear as "singing show tunes". So I can't help but hear this as a show tune. But there ARE folks on the stage dancing, so it is a dance tune to me as well. Well, a song may not start as a showtune, but if Saros is on the track, that's the way it's going to end up.  Anyway, CONGRATULATIONS on your thoughtful excursion. Looking forward to your next one! Thanks, I appreciate you stopping to listen and comment.
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Hi, David. This sounds really cool man. Thanks! Not as much as some of your songs! That for commenting!
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Hi, Marty. WHoa! I pushed Play and it pushed back. Hit me in the face with a very powerful punch of a good song. Yeah, not really my normal style. Very impressive work on the synth, Saros. Hard-hitting and is perfect and the melody works so well, too. Nice build with dynamics. Cool composition and well produced. Thanks! I wasn't sure the melody would match the style, so I'm glad it works. David, I always thoroughly enjoy what you call "The Boring Details." Thanks! And thanks for your kind comments!
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Hi, Bob. Wow! That is really impressive! The song has great energy and the singer has an epic voice!
Love this production - you have a great touch with this technology and you know how to make it completely musical. Thanks! I'm glad it worked for you.
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Hi, Steve. I felt a bit unmoored and drifting when listening and had difficulty searching for a structural scaffold that I could anchor to, although the vocals were hi-energy. Well, the verse and pre-chorus all share the same progression, so there's a lot of sameness there. And it doesn't have a strong rhyme scheme, which doesn't help. Also, most of the chords are inversions of some sort, which doesn't give the harmony as much stability as it might. I've gone back and re-done the bass line, but I doubt that fixed the structural problems you're talking about. A lack of glue is one way to put it, another is a lack of identifiable repetition that can anchor the listener. I'll see what I can do to make the next song more clearly constructed. That said, I can see a lot of work went into this production, skills that I certainly don't have. And I found the mix to be well balanced . Thanks, I'll take the good with the bad. It's all a learning experience. I appreciate the feedback, good and bad. Not every song works for everyone.
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Hello David
I like your song and what's interesting is that you talk about technical problems. I have recently been using the V synthesizer and it is true that the range is not very wide and this raises the question of writing the song, we cannot do everything like with a Midi instrument. The singer (saros) I find very good on short notes but on sustained notes he is less convincing. Is that what you think?
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David...man your are a master at this level of "tech-writing and composing"...not my genre for sure but you killed the process and created a incredibly realistic pop song...I'm still amazed! you probably have this down pat but wow what a learning curve it takes...I enjoyed the song and reading about your process!
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David, this is a super song.
I find nothing wrong with your backing tracks and in fact I liked them.
I thought the vocal was a little over the top but that is only my opinion: I didn't think it sounded as "organic" as some of your other songs.
It is nice to venture into unknown areas isn't it.
I did like this song.
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David
I really liked those string runs. Nicely put together and a good listen.
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Hi, Laurent. I like your song and what's interesting is that you talk about technical problems. I have recently been using the V synthesizer and it is true that the range is not very wide and this raises the question of writing the song, we cannot do everything like with a Midi instrument. Yes - they very much have the qualities of the original singers in different registers, and quirks of pronunciation. The singer (saros) I find very good on short notes but on sustained notes he is less convincing. Is that what you think? I don't have an issue with the longer notes, but there are times when I'll adjust the amount of vibrato and scoop one notes. Saros tends to over-emphasize some things, which doesn't always work. They tends to "over sing" notes, as if they're always center stage. I'm not sure that answers your question though.
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Hi, Dan. David...man your are a master at this level of "tech-writing and composing"...not my genre for sure but you killed the process and created a incredibly realistic pop song...I'm still amazed! Well, it's not really my genre at all. I'm more a middle-of-the-road kind of guy. But the audio engineering problem solving part? Yep, that can be pretty fun. you probably have this down pat but wow what a learning curve it takes... Nope, every song is a new learning experience. I had three songs that I'd started on, and wasn't convinced that any of them would make a viable song. I had one of my daughters have a listen to all three of them (lyrics still in the "la la la" stage, and she picked this one. So I plowed ahead. There are other ways of getting the melody into SynthesizerV, but I've gotten used to it. Writing using piano-roll notation isn't at all a natural way of doing things, but it allows me to go slow and do lots of experimentation. And there were plenty of times during the song when I wasn't convinced it would gel together. Even now, I'm debating changing the lead singer to Kevin. But it's probably best not to make too many changes at this point. If they come out with a more "rock" style singer, it wouldn't be hard to go back and swap the voice out. But I just trust in the process and move forward. Fortunately, I haven't had to discard toomany songs. Thanks for the nice comments!
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Hi, Mario. David, this is a super song.
I find nothing wrong with your backing tracks and in fact I liked them. Thanks! I thought the vocal was a little over the top but that is only my opinion: I didn't think it sounded as "organic" as some of your other songs. Yeah, I spent some time this evening seeing if Kevin would make a better match. But for now I'll leave it in place. After all, it's just a song demo. It is nice to venture into unknown areas isn't it. You should know - you're always doing interesting things! Thanks for listening and the positive comments.
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Hi, Peter. I really liked those string runs. Nicely put together and a good listen. Thanks! And it's about time I got some return on investment on those strings! I knew I was going to have to write a disco-ish song just as an excuse to use them.
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