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Actually, I don't really care if you want to own a gun or not. but I AM opposed to the "rights" of people to kill other people, to rob other people, to drive 90 mph in a 45 zone, etc., etc. We just have completely different ideas of what a "civilized" society is.




I have to chime in here.

Nobody has the RIGHT to kill people, rob people or endanger people by speeding. Such statements are typically used as straw man arguments to force the argument outside its natural boundaries.

Because it is already established that nobody has the RIGHT to do illegal things (well.. with the possible exception of illegally entering certain countries) we don't need to discuss that.

The point in question is this:
how can a nation give good people the liberty to make choices that do not endanger others without simultaneously making it easy for bad people to abuse that same liberty? Let's continue the discussion with that as the focal point