Actually, the Armstrong has better tone than the Selmer.
Plus, I've had the Selmer so many years now, the silver plating is coming off.
The nastiest looking instruments get played in the salt spray. Except for the guitar, since I only have one good one.
I'm on the other side of the dune from the ocean. The venue is covered with a canvas cover, and we are on the east end with the dune to our back. On windy days, the salt covers everything.
We do this 3 days a week, and the owner keeps us all summer, even though the business is not very good that time of the year. His philosophy is that if he wants great entertainment in the winter tourist season, he needs to keep them all summer when it's slow. He does that with the cooks, bartenders and wait staff, too.
So if the instruments turn to rust, they are paid for.
I bought a used sax for this purpose. I got the used Armstrong to play outdoors, but since it has better tone than the Selmer flute, I decided to make it the indoor flute.
We also play twice a month at a huge, outdoor RV Resort. It's outdoors too, but about 3 miles west of the ocean, so there is no salt spray. But I use the outdoor instruments anyway.
Playing in a place like this, Caig DeOxit Red and Caig DeOxit Gold are staples of life. They keep the connections working, but not the finish on the instruments.
The picture is at low tide, you can see how high the water comes by the change of sand color.
Thanks for the explanation. I’m surprised the Armstrong sounds better than the Selmer but now your choice makes sense. Actually I’ve never played a Selmer flute so it was just an assumption based on saxes. I had a Mark V tenor. And I’m very familiar with the Atlantic coast from Ponte Vedra. It certainly adds a challenge for you.
BIAB 2025 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 7 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6, Song Master Pro, Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus 192 & Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors.
I traded it in for a Mark VII which in the shop sounded great. The problem was I play pop music, and I couldn't overblow the VII. It had nice tone, a little brighter than the VI which was good for rock and blues, but it had only one tone. So I went back to the shop on Monday to buy my old VI back, but they sold it already.
I traded the VII for a Couf Superba, and I liked that even better than the VI and the VII. The problem with that was it had a lot of copper in the brass, and shops don't relacquer anymore. It eventually turned green with a surface that had the texture of a cantaloupe skin.
A few more horns, and I got the MacSax. I did a custom job and had it plated with silver colored nickel. It's a Taiwan horn, and I found out from a couple of manufacturers, that other than ornaments, all the Taiwan horns are the same. The body and parts are farmed out to different factories, so the working parts are all interchangeable. MacSax only makes mouthpieces now.
The guy I had overhaul both flutes told me he has never been impressed with Selmer flutes, but he said mine was an exceptionally nice Selmer. He thought the Armstrong sounded better too.
I'm not really a flute player, just a doubler. I wouldn't take a gig playing nothing but flute. But I do a Jethro Tull tune, a Herbie Man tune, and a few others. It's fun to have that voice.
Ha; I'm a flute doubler at best, also. I see the quizzical looks when someone glances up and says, wait a minute - the trumpet player took that flute solo?
BIAB 2025 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 7 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6, Song Master Pro, Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus 192 & Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors.
I'm on the other side of the dune from the ocean. The venue is covered with a canvas cover, and we are on the east end with the dune to our back. On windy days, the salt covers everything.
Playing in a place like this, Caig DeOxit Red and Caig DeOxit Gold are staples of life. They keep the connections working, but not the finish on the instruments.
Notes ♫
Yep...everything at the ocean is going to be covered in the salt mist. Between the humidity, the wind, the sand, and the salt spray, that is one harsh environment.
Walking down the beach it looks like smoke/mist coming off the ocean.
One of the pickups on my SG... the bridge pickup, is missing all of it's chrome plating. Not from playing at the ocean, but from the salt in my sweat from countless nights on stage. We did, over the course of time, play several indoor nightclubs that were at the beach. They used huge fans for ventilation which pulled in the salt spray and the marsh mosquitos. Might as well have been outside. It was a case of wipe them down after the sets, and then go home and clean the guitars fully.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.com Add nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both.
The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
Ha; I'm a flute doubler at best, also. I see the quizzical looks when someone glances up and says, wait a minute - the trumpet player took that flute solo?
My brother-in-law does that. He is both a great trumpet player and a great flute player. It's a rare combination. He plays flute better than I do. Sadly, there isn't a lot of work for trumpet players around here, so he teaches school too.
On stage in my current duo, I play tenor sax, flute, wind synth, and I sing. I get the "How many instruments DO you play?" Question a lot. It's good for show biz appeal.
I used to bring a keyboard and not the guitar, but as we started playing fewer standards and more rock, the guitar became more important. It has better stage appeal, too.
In bands, I've been in through the years, I learned from the other guys in the band to play bass, some keys, and rhythm guitar (barre chords only). I've also doubled on drums (my first instrument). Not every song has a sax part, so it was good to learn other instruments. In one band, the drummer was a good singer, so I'd get behind the kit for a few songs and let him get out front (the girls loved it).
It's show biz, so switching instruments gets people talking about you, and that generates more audience members, which means more gigs.
During the psychedelic years, I played bass, as nobody wanted to hire a sax player. I had a Fender P Bass and a used Ampeg amp. Heavy stuff to tote around and hang on your shoulder, but I was much younger then.
Playing notes on the bass taught me how to find my way around the fretboard, so in my 60s, when I decided to buy a guitar and learn lead, I progressed quickly.
I like playing different instruments, as they require different forms of expression. You don't play the instrument, you let the instrument play you.
I also like playing different genres of music for the same reason. It's all fun.
1 Thrown together parts 50's P Bass knock off (I hand made the pickguard) 2 Takamine Acoustic 3 Fender MIM Jazz Bass Squier Series (Check the headstock & pickguard - I still don't quite know what this is) 4 Fender MIM Jazz V 5 String 5 Mini I don't know P Bass knockoff - 5 bucks at a pawn shop 6 Fender MIA Jazz (used to be my favorite to play) 7 Fender MIJ '62 Precision Reissue - My current favorite 8 Fender MIM Jazz with some cool upgraded pickups 9 Squier Bronco Bass - $15 at a yard sale . . . Fender Bassman 4x0 / 1X15 Combo with a Genz Benz Amp
Custom strap by Cody Hixon at Great Point Custom Leather
Guitars Martin Acoustic Custom Built Tele Fender "Waylon Jennings" leather covered Tele Fender Acoustic Boss Katana 2x12 MK II Amp Johnson Mandolin
I have a lot more guitars but those are my "go too"
Last edited by Sawmill Music; 06/22/2307:24 AM.
Don't ever try and be like anybody else and don't be afraid to take risks. -Waylon Jennings
Hah! I bet! I think I'll keep them where they are for now . . . my grandson (at 18 months) has already taken a liking to them LOL - Counting on him being MUCH better at this music thing then his old granddad
Don't ever try and be like anybody else and don't be afraid to take risks. -Waylon Jennings
THIS collector would still rather be playing but the physical ability left the building like Elvis. So now, like me in my younger days, all that matters is that they are pretty to look at.
Some days I just cant wait to see how you are going to fit in your flex and boast about how much you work and how rich and famous you are. You manage to do it on 4 of every 5 posts you make. (Even though nobody asks are cares.)
What HAS been lacking is your bragging about the expensive world destination vacations. You're slipping, ol' timer!!!
We’ve expanded the Band-in-a-Box® RealTracks library with 202 incredible new RealTracks (in sets 449-467) across Jazz, Blues, Funk, World, Pop, Rock, Country, Americana, and Praise & Worship—featuring your most requested styles!
Jazz, Blues & World (Sets 449–455):
These RealTracks includes “Soul Jazz” with Neil Swainson (bass), Mike Clark (drums), Charles Treadway (organ), Miles Black (piano), and Brent Mason (guitar). Enjoy “Requested ’60s” jazz, classic acoustic blues with Colin Linden, and more of our popular 2-handed piano soloing. Plus, a RealTracks first—Tango with bandoneon, recorded in Argentina!
Rock & Pop (Sets 456–461):
This collection includes Disco, slap bass ‘70s/‘80s pop, modern and ‘80s metal with Andy Wood, and a unique “Songwriter Potpourri” featuring Chinese folk instruments, piano, banjo, and more. You’ll also find a muted electric guitar style (a RealTracks first!) and “Producer Layered Guitar” styles for slick "produced" sound.
Country, Americana & Praise (Sets 462–467):
We’ve added new RealTracks across bro country, Americana, praise & worship, vintage country, and songwriter piano. Highlights include Brent Mason (electric guitar), Eddie Bayers (drums), Doug Jernigan (pedal steel), John Jarvis (piano), Glen Duncan (banjo, mandolin & fiddle), Mike Harrison (electric bass) and more—offering everything from modern sounds to heartfelt Americana styles
And, if you are looking for more, the 2025 49-PAK (for $49) includes an additional 20 RealTracks with exciting new sounds and genre-spanning styles. Enjoy RealTracks firsts like Chinese instruments (guzheng & dizi), the bandoneon in an authentic Argentine tango trio, and the classic “tic-tac” baritone guitar for vintage country.
You’ll also get slick ’80s metal guitar from Andy Wood, modern metal with guitarist Nico Santora, bass player Nick Schendzielos, and drummer Aaron Stechauner, more praise & worship, indie-folk, modern/bro country with Brent Mason, and “Songwriter Americana” with Johnny Hiland.
Plus, enjoy user-requested styles like Soul Jazz RealDrums, fast Celtic Strathspey guitar, and Chill Hop piano & drums!
With your version 2025 for Mac Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition or PlusPAK purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons FREE! Or upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for only $49 to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks!
These PAKs are loaded with additional add-ons to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box®!
This Free Bonus PAK includes:
The 2025 RealCombos Booster PAK:
-For Pro customers, this includes 33 new RealTracks and 65+ new RealStyles.
-For MegaPAK customers, this includes 29 new RealTracks and 45+ new RealStyles.
-For UltraPAK customers, this includes 20 new RealStyles.
Look Ma! More MIDI 13: Country & Americana
Instrumental Studies Set 22: 2-Hand Piano Soloing - Rhythm Changes
MIDI SuperTracks Set 44: Jazz Piano
Artist Performance Set 17: Songs with Vocals 7
Playable RealTracks Set 4
RealDrums Stems Set 7: Jazz with Mike Clark
SynthMaster Sounds and Styles (with audio demos)
128 GM MIDI Patch Audio Demos.
Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:
20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyles,
FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
Look Ma! More MIDI 14: SynthMaster,
Instrumental Studies Set 23: More '80s Hard Rock Soloing,
MIDI SuperTracks Set 45: More SynthMaster
Artist Performance Set 18: Songs with Vocals 8
RealDrums Stems Set 8: Pop, Funk & More with Jerry Roe
New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Mac!
Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
New! XPro Styles PAK 9 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and higher for Mac!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 9 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 29 RealTracks/RealDrums!
We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!
If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!
Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Windows!
Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
New! XPro Styles PAK 9 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and higher for Windows!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 9 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 29 RealTracks/RealDrums!
We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!
If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!
Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
Video: Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®: VST3 Plugin Support
Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac® now includes support for VST3 plugins, alongside VST and AU. Use them with MIDI or audio tracks for even more creative possibilities in your music production.
Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Macs®: VST3 Plugin Support
Video: Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®: Using VST3 Plugins
One of our representatives will be happy to help you over the phone. Our hours of operation are from
6:00AM to 6:00PM PST (GMT -8) Monday thru Friday, and 8:00AM to 4:00PM PST Saturday. We are closed Sunday. You can also send us your questions via email.
One of our representatives will be happy to help you on our Live Chat or by email. Our hours of operation are from
6:00AM to 6:00PM PST (GMT -8) Monday thru Friday; 8:00AM to 4:00PM PST (GMT -8) Saturday; Closed Sunday.
Norton Music
Hah! I bet! I think I'll keep them where they are for now . . . my grandson (at 18 months) has already taken a liking to them LOL - Counting on him being MUCH better at this music thing then his old granddad
Dansk
Deutsch - Windows
Español
Français - Windows
Italiano - Windows
Nederlands
Polski
Português
Svenskt
русский
Japanese
Simplified Chinese
Traditional Chinese
Korean