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Please read the post above your post.
So between the three of us, we installed it with three different versions/ways
My post reflect issues with the shipped disk version which you did not buy.
There is clearly a bug with the plug-in if it does not find at least a .bt .flac and .wma file.
That combination works fine for me on my system.
The developer for the plug-in his on holiday and I’m sure he will address it immediately when returning. Yes, I read it, I was answering items one by one. So I think there is some consensus about a bug. And the possible mitigation is to use .bt (and other files depending on folders) plus .flac and .wma. I could move all my old .wma files carefully to the same folders and try, but it is time consuming (especially if I want NOT to include the .wav files). Could you please try to find if when using the plugin the rendered wavs are using .wma or .flac waveforms? I suspect from musocity's comments that the plugin is simply using .wma.
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For the sake of clarity.
This Flac issue seems to affect Plugin only. BIAB works fine. I had been using Flac only (no wma) BIAB for almost 2 weeks now. Again, regardless if you bought the Audiophile hard drive, downloaded partial Flac (yearly portion) or downloaded whole Audiophile Flac versions and no matter which installation option you chose, BIAB should work without issues. The problem is with Flac only + Plugin combination.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
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Please read the post above your post.
So between the three of us, we installed it with three different versions/ways
My post reflect issues with the shipped disk version which you did not buy.
There is clearly a bug with the plug-in if it does not find at least a .bt .flac and .wma file.
That combination works fine for me on my system.
The developer for the plug-in his on holiday and I’m sure he will address it immediately when returning. Yes, I read it, I was answering items one by one. So I think there is some consensus about a bug. And the possible mitigation is to use .bt (and other files depending on folders) plus .flac and .wma. I could move all my old .wma files carefully to the same folders and try, but it is time consuming (especially if I want NOT to include the .wav files). Could you please try to find if when using the plugin the rendered wavs are using .wma or .flac waveforms? I suspect from musocity's comments that the plugin is simply using .wma. I would wait. He will be back around first of the year. It sounds better than wma, but I could be wrong. I will look around but not clear how to detect source file as the algorithm uses the files in this order. 1) wave 2) flac 3) wma. When drug into a DAW it the plugin renders wav files from the source files. One thing I forgot to mention is the plugin directory paths to audio files for the plugin is not updated automatically nor does it sync with the BB settings and has to be manually set (preferences) to your audiophile directories.
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For the sake of clarity.
1) This Flac issue seems to affect Plugin only. BIAB works fine.
2) Again, regardless if you bought the Audiophile hard drive, downloaded partial Flac (yearly portion) or downloaded whole Audiophile Flac versions and no matter which installation option you chose, BIAB should work without issues. The problem is with Flac only + Plugin combination.
Please correct me if I am wrong. 1) yes 2) yes
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Developers are off for a few days, but hopefully the following helps:
To be clear, this issue described above (FLAC-only issues when using plugin) doesn’t affect the 2025 biab program or RealBand at all. And doesn’t affect the 2025 physical audiophile (on the SDD in any case, including plugin)
It is just affecting someone doing all of these
1. using the plugin
2. who also has done a complete 600 GB flac-only download of the audiophile and
3. In the plugin. Doesn’t want .wav generated so de-selects “use wav and instructions” (or uses reaper instructions)
We plan a patch for the plugin so this specific case above works (using plugin+FLAC-only+ no wav generation ). That plugin patch will insure FLAC is used in all cases including when wavs aren’t generated ( wav instructions and reaper instructions)
In the meantime, someone with that situation above (e.g. the OP) can either skip using the plugin for a week or so until the patch is released, or use the plugin, but leave checked “x use wav and instructions”.
A rough guess is there are less than 5 people possible to see a bug like this, since a 600 GB download of the audiophile is something quite new, and it won’t be an issue for the plugin when the plugin patch is released in a week.
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...And doesn’t affect the 2025 physical audiophile (on the SDD in any case, including plugin)... What category am I in as I get wma in the Plugin and I have the 2025 physical SSD audiophile ? ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=29620&filename=BB25-Reaper-Change-File-Format2.gif)
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"What category am I in as I get wma in the Plugin and I have the 2025 physical SSD audiophile ?"
Physical SSD installs both (Flac and WMA)
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“ What category am I in as I get wma ”
If using plugin with Reaper instructions, the plugin is filling in .wma in the instructions instead of .flac, so that you would be hearing the .wma when reaper plays those instructions. That will also be addressed in the plugin patch, and only applies to the plugin+ReaperInstructions. Other DAWS are fine since the .wav file generated uses the .flac, it’s just the special case of the reaper instructions that need this fix.
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For the sake of clarity.
This Flac issue seems to affect Plugin only. BIAB works fine. I had been using Flac only (no wma) BIAB for almost 2 weeks now. Again, regardless if you bought the Audiophile hard drive, downloaded partial Flac (yearly portion) or downloaded whole Audiophile Flac versions and no matter which installation option you chose, BIAB should work without issues. The problem is with Flac only + Plugin combination.
Please correct me if I am wrong. You're 100% right
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“ What category am I in as I get wma ”
If using plugin with Reaper instructions, the plugin is filling in .wma in the instructions instead of .flac, so that you would be hearing the .wma when reaper plays those instructions. That will also be addressed in the plugin patch, and only applies to the plugin+ReaperInstructions. Other DAWS are fine since the .wav file generated uses the .flac, it’s just the special case of the reaper instructions that need this fix. That is what I suspected!
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Maybe you can have an option in the Plugin to use wma for reaper instruction if users want wma over flac for some reason ?
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Developers are off for a few days, but hopefully the following helps:
To be clear, this issue described above (FLAC-only issues when using plugin) doesn’t affect the 2025 biab program or RealBand at all. And doesn’t affect the 2025 physical audiophile (on the SDD in any case, including plugin)
It is just affecting someone doing all of these
1. using the plugin
2. who also has done a complete 600 GB flac-only download of the audiophile and
3. In the plugin. Doesn’t want .wav generated so de-selects “use wav and instructions” (or uses reaper instructions)
............. Small correction to #3: The plugin fails always with the "only .flac" option (with all the extra files but no .wma or .wav). It fails with different symptoms. Doing nothing or opening dozens of tracks and ultimately crashing Reaper.
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Well, the good part is it was acknowledged and express fix promised.
If I am not mistaken, Audiofile included in the past a downloadable version of Ultra Pack equivalent. With your Internet, should be a fast dl. You can rename Flac RT/RD folders and install U.pack and use it until patch arrives.
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Well, the good part is it was acknowledged and express fix promised.
If I am not mistaken, Audiofile included in the past a downloadable version of Ultra Pack equivalent. With your Internet, should be a fast dl. You can rename Flac RT/RD folders and install U.pack and use it until patch arrives. Please read the post above your post.
So between the three of us, we installed it with three different versions/ways
My post reflect issues with the shipped disk version which you did not buy.
There is clearly a bug with the plug-in if it does not find at least a .bt .flac and .wma file.
That combination works fine for me on my system.
The developer for the plug-in his on holiday and I’m sure he will address it immediately when returning. Yes, I read it, I was answering items one by one. So I think there is some consensus about a bug. And the possible mitigation is to use .bt (and other files depending on folders) plus .flac and .wma. I could move all my old .wma files carefully to the same folders and try, but it is time consuming (especially if I want NOT to include the .wav files). Could you please try to find if when using the plugin the rendered wavs are using .wma or .flac waveforms? I suspect from musocity's comments that the plugin is simply using .wma. (1) I would wait. He will be back around first of the year. It sounds better than wma, but I could be wrong. I will look around but not clear how to detect source file as the algorithm uses the files in this order. 1) wave 2) flac 3) wma. When drug into a DAW it the plugin renders wav files from the source files. One thing I forgot to mention is the plugin directory paths to audio files for the plugin is not updated automatically nor does it sync with the BB settings and has to be manually set (preferences) to your audiophile directories. (1)
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This is a very interesting thread parapente, jpettit, Rustyspoon#, Matt and musocity. It is well worth reading for all the valuable information that it contains. I appreciate all that I learnt from going through this  --Noel
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This is a very interesting thread parapente, jpettit, Rustyspoon#, Matt and musocity. It is well worth reading for all the valuable information that it contains. I appreciate all that I learnt from going through this --Noel Same here as I've been following. An addendum that certainly should be picked up anyway by PGM, is that the downloaded PlusPAK also does not include the .wma files for (most of?) the new content.
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...An addendum that certainly should be picked up anyway by PGM, is that the downloaded PlusPAK also does not include the .wma files for (most of?) the new content. I guess this type of situation can occur when a completely new format is put into the market before really adequate testing can be completed. It should get sorted out soon, but it would be better if such potential issues could have been picked up before the new product was released.
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For the sake of clarity.
This Flac issue seems to affect Plugin only. BIAB works fine. I had been using Flac only (no wma) BIAB for almost 2 weeks now. Again, regardless if you bought the Audiophile hard drive, downloaded partial Flac (yearly portion) or downloaded whole Audiophile Flac versions and no matter which installation option you chose, BIAB should work without issues. The problem is with Flac only + Plugin combination.
Please correct me if I am wrong. At the same time, Rusty's experiment was a real success, and since he doesn't use the plugin, the error could not have been detected...
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...An addendum that certainly should be picked up anyway by PGM, is that the downloaded PlusPAK also does not include the .wma files for (most of?) the new content. I guess this type of situation can occur when a completely new format is put into the market before really adequate testing can be completed. It should get sorted out soon, but it would be better if such potential issues could have been picked up before the new product was released. The type of situation shouldn't occur, of course, but the real world, deadlines, oversights and so on mean that it can and does happen. It does demonstrate the complexity of testing when one has to consider a number of different variables and their permutations. The nuber of things to test can go sky high. At least BiaB and the plugin are unlikely to kill anyone. Anyone tried the same thing with RB? I suspect that's OK, but... I have some sympathy with them, even though lots of the complexity is self-inflicted.
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...I have some sympathy with them, even though lots of the complexity is self-inflicted. My sentiments also. Avoidable problems? Yes, probably, but that would require a stronger and more elaborate testing regime.
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XPro & Xtra Styles PAKs Special Extended Until August 31st!
The XPro Styles PAKs and Xtra Styles PAKs special offers are now available until August 31st at 11:59pm PDT!
Ready to take your Band-in-a-Box® 2025 experience to the next level? Now’s the perfect time! Expand your style library with XPro and Xtra Styles PAKs—packed with a wide variety of genres to inspire your next musical creation.
What are XPro Styles and Xtra Styles PAKs?
XPro Styles PAKs are styles that work with any version (Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition) of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 (or higher). XPro Styles PAKS 1-9 includes 900 styles!
Xtra Styles PAKs are styles that work with the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 (or higher). With over 3,500 styles (and 35 MIDI styles) included in Xtra Styles PAKs 1-20, the possibilities are endless!
Get the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Listen to demos and order now! For Windows or for Mac.
Note: XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
Get Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 19 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Listen to demos and order now! For Windows or for Mac.
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 19 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
Don’t miss this chance to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box setup—at a great price!
Mac 2025 Special Upgrade Offers Extended Until August 15th!
It's not too late to upgrade to Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac® and save! We've extended our special until August 15, 2025!
We've added many major new features to Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®, including advanced AI tools like the amazing BB Stem Splitter and AI Lyrics Generator, as well as VST3 plugin support, and Equalize Temp. Plus, there’s a new one-stop MIDI Patches Picker with over 1,100 MIDI patches to choose from, all neatly categorized by GM numbers. The MultiPicker Library is enhanced with tabs for the SongPicker, MIDI Patch Picker, Chord Builder, AI Lyrics Generator, and Song Titles Browser, and the tabs are organized into logical groups. The Audiophile Edition is enhanced with FLAC files , which are 60% smaller than AIFF files while maintaining identical audio quality, and now ships on a fast 1TB SSD, and much more!
Check out all the new features in Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac® here:
Purchase your Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac during our special to save up to 50% off your upgrade purchase and receive a FREE BONUS PAK of amazing new Add-ons. These include the 2025 RealCombos Booster PAK, Look Ma! More MIDI 13: Country & Americana, Instrumental Studies Set 22: 2-Hand Piano Soloing - Rhythm Changes, MIDI SuperTracks Set 44: Jazz Piano, Artist Performance Set 17: Songs with Vocals 7, Playable RealTracks Set 4, RealDrums Stems Set 7: Jazz with Mike Clark, and more!
Upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for just $49 and add 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and 20 RealStyles, FLAC Files for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks, Look Ma! More MIDI 14: SynthMaster, MIDI SuperTracks Set 45: More SynthMaster, Artist Performance Set 18: Songs with Vocals 8, and RealDrums Stems Set 8: Pop, Funk & More with Jerry Roe.
Learn more about the Bonus PAKs!
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